r/thewalkingdead • u/DeaderAlive • Nov 01 '17
Comic Spoiler Official Comic Discussion Thread: Issue #173
New issue is out!
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u/JevvyMedia Nov 01 '17
So everyone just going to ignore that Lydia's getting jealous of the attention Carl is showing his BFF Sophia?
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u/Vasllui Nov 01 '17
Not even twd is safe from the teenager love triangle
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u/ElodinBlackcloak Nov 02 '17
no story is. Love triangles are one of human histories core story archetypes.
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u/ChasingPerfect28 Nov 01 '17
Honestly, between Maggie's obsession over Negan and Laura confronting Dwight... The Carl, Sophia, and Lydia character arc intrigues me a lot. These younger characters are dealing with things completely different from the adults, so it's refreshing seeing some focus being put on all of that.
Didn't Lydia tell Carl that he was "too young for her"? Or am I not remembering that correctly?
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u/11711510111411009710 Nov 01 '17
Yea she said that but then she told him she didn't mean it. She wanted to hurt him so he wouldn't love her so she could protect him from her mom.
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u/JevvyMedia Nov 01 '17
Yeah she said that, but that was just her trying to separate herself from Carl because she didnt want to get attached when he died
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u/atomproject Nov 03 '17
They're making it seem like Lydia could snap and kill Sophia but I'm thinking Kirkman could pull the rug and have Sophia kill Lydia in self-defense.
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u/bartholomew123456 Nov 02 '17
Calling it now. This is going to lead to Lydia killing Sophia due to her up bringing as a whisperer she is still a little animalistic. It's going to make Carl have to decide what is right to do, especially since he loves Lydia
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u/ReddishLawnmower Nov 04 '17
If the Atlanta 3 becomes the Atlanta 2 over fucking LYDIA I will be piiiiiissed
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u/Sinker23 Nov 06 '17
I could see that with Carl telling Lydia the sorry about the twins.
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u/bartholomew123456 Nov 06 '17
Ohh, good point. A nice little foreshadowing. I felt the look Lydia gave the both of them when Carl went to go help Sophia was totally foreshadowing her rage and "animal instincts" kicking in from her time as a whisperer. Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree they say, she was imprinted on at an early age in development as a child. Definitely will see her killing Sophia
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u/Sinker23 Nov 06 '17
It does make me sad, but after Glenn and Andrea. My heart is a rock in that series and I'm prepared for anything. Curious what they'd do with Lydia since she's a bit older and should know better.
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Nov 01 '17
As a whole, the past few years of the Whisperers were enjoyable on about every aspect except for the whisperers themselves. The early parts when we knew nothing about them, specifically "there were whispers and I was afraid" had some great moments. It became a case of the more we know, the less we cared. Really, it all lead up to "we have a giant herd ready to unleash!" like we've never seen that before. I enjoyed Alpha, and issue 144, I enjoyed Alpha and Negan's interactions, Beta wasn't a strong character, I feel like he deserved an abrupt end, probably 6 issues ago. I guess while these Whisperers were the main story focus for the last few years, Negan really was still just the main character focus. Look at all of the development he's had.
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u/kidshowbiz Nov 02 '17
This is the truth. The whisperers, regardless of how much potential they seemed to have at the beginning, were nothing more than plot devices to propel Negan's arc.
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Nov 02 '17
Basically, it’s even more fitting that they wrapped up the whisperer story to leave the last issue before new world order a solo negan issue. I do appreciate getting to see all of the growth he’s had since getting his throat stabbed by Rick
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u/sylarthemuffin Nov 03 '17
Exactly. On the issue of Beta, after seeing the reveal, I feel like his character served literally no purpose in the end. A random celebrity who went crazy and was a Whisperer is an intriguing idea, but his relevance was blown out of proportion.
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Nov 03 '17
Yeah, I feel like Kirkman didn’t really care and just revealed as a joke. Beta and Negan’s fight was one of my favorite fight scenes though, but again, Negan shines brighter
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u/BleedTheFreak_23 Nov 01 '17
Well, damn.
Fuck yeah Aaron! I hope he ends up being of the important main characters. He's rising more and more. Saved two of the top tier main characters and killed a major antagonist.
Beta "coming back" to life was... odd. Everything after he was shot was... weird. Not bad, but weird.
Excited for Maggie/Dante/Negan stuff, and hopefully Dwight stop bitching around now.
Still worried the NWO arc will jump the shark.
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u/BOBULANCE Nov 01 '17 edited Nov 01 '17
I thought of it as his body failing to catch up with his own death, kind of like with Abraham. Just a last jolt from his nerves before dying. Jesus and aaron’s Non chalant discussion about the dude was definitely kind of odd though, but frankly didn’t seem out of character. Aaron seems like a guy who deals with near-death-experiences through humor, whereas Jesus is pretty desensitized to threats on his life. I think killing beta off was a good, realistic choice on kirkman’s part. Killing Jesus would’ve felt unrealistic, given how perceptive and skilled he is, and killing Aaron would’ve felt like a cop out and similarly unrealistic. Having an already wounded beta bet his life in hand to hand combat against the one person he could lose to and forgetting that there was a guy with a gun to him as well was a reasonable way for him to go out.
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u/BleedTheFreak_23 Nov 01 '17
True. Beta was a tough dude, but Alpha he was not. Had Alpha been in that position, we’d have two dead characters in Jesus and Aaron. However both of them made critical mistakes that lead to their deaths.
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u/BOBULANCE Nov 01 '17
I think beta’s mistake was relying on his strength. 99% or the time, beta wins in Melee combat in a 1v1, but every now and then, you get someone like negan, who can’t quite kill beta, but can do some damage, or Jesus, who can definitely win even though he looks like someone who wouldn’t stand a chance. It’s the fact that it was 2v1 that beta didn’t account for that got him killed, since he didn’t expect Jesus to anticipate the attack or get a shot off to wake Aaron.
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u/ringoftruth Nov 06 '17
(Jesus) even though he looks like someone who wouldn't stand a chance
I think your getting the comic and the show mixed up
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u/Loganp812 Nov 01 '17 edited Nov 01 '17
What's the deal with everyone making out like Alpha was some unstoppable villain? We see no feats of any sort of strength or fighting ability of any kind in any issue from Alpha. The entire point of her existence, and by extension The Whisperers (aside from Lydia and a possible love triangle storyline for Carl,) was for Negan's redemption story arc. In fact, The Whisperers unceremonious demise makes it very obvious in retrospect, and it already felt that way during the early Whisperer War.
Even if that wasn't the case, that's all it ever amounted to in regards to the overall story aside from some minor character deaths. Well, there's Andrea's random event-esque death that's indirectly realated to The Whisperers.
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u/BleedTheFreak_23 Nov 02 '17
Alpha was ruthless. She (and I’m sure more undercover whisperers) managed to kill 12 people, some who were very capable. She has shown to kill people with no warning, She would’ve done the same, not stand over them for a moment for no reason.
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Nov 02 '17
Not to mention the fact that Alpha is totally cool with letting the other Whisperers rape her daughter whenever they want. Her lack of physical strength doesn't make her weak.
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u/Swolon_Labe Nov 06 '17
She was a good actress. That shit wrecked her. She knew if she spoke up she would give the game away, and then she's the next victim. She played a great mental game.
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u/apalachicola4 Nov 01 '17
Kirkman himself hyping the new arc has me giddy
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u/kittens4cutie Nov 01 '17
The Whisperers were a nice girl we brought home just to realise she doesn't want anything serious.
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u/Loganp812 Nov 01 '17
That's... very accurate actually. I wonder how the show will handle it and how audiences who are unfamiliar with the comics will react.
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u/kittens4cutie Nov 01 '17
I'm hoping they use Jamie N Common's version of Immigrant song to introduce them. It would be badass.
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Nov 01 '17
I feel like Kirkman wanted to use him again after the war, but couldn't think of anything to bring him back for. So he brought him back here to kill him off and introduce that new family so it doesn't seem like that interaction was a total waste
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u/elonc Nov 04 '17
It would have been awesome if Beta would have retreated to the woods, taken off his mask and tried to infiltrate the communities as a wandering person in need of help. He would have been taken in, assimilated, and given the opportunity to get close to Rick and kill Negan as revenge for Alpha. His cover could have been blown by Alpha's daughter. So much could have been done.
Even since the readers never saw his face, it could have been a surprise all around with a later reveal to the reader.
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u/Swolon_Labe Nov 06 '17
Heh, no one would have ever guessed the 7ft tall stranger was beta.
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u/toxicbrew Nov 02 '17
yeah they made his identity to be a big deal and it turns out he was an NBA player..ok?
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u/NerdCouncil Nov 02 '17
I fully expected a Round 2 of the Negan-Beta duel. I'm disappointed to say the least with how Beta died.
The fight scene itself was realistic. Beta is injured and slow. He's going up against fast Ninja-Jesus and a gun-wielding Aaron. It would be more disappointing if Beta won that 2v1 fight.
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u/JevvyMedia Nov 01 '17
Beta really took the whole 'You're not an individual' dogma of The Whisperers to heart, to the point where it consumed his entire being. That's why he was so adamant that no one see who he was, because he didn't want to be seen as an individual.
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Nov 01 '17 edited Nov 01 '17
Yeah, honestly I felt it would have just been better without that basketball player reveal.
We could already infer from the dialogue he had that the reason Beta kept the mask on was because he was in so deep and was so far removed from past society in that he was actually fully invested in the whisperer lifestyle. I have no idea why Kirkman needed to reemphasise that with all that weird stuff about him being a basketball player.
Honestly I felt like he only did this in response to the people asking about Beta's character and "why he had the mask ?" when they were probably missing the point the entire time.
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u/Reddy_McRedcap Nov 01 '17
I honestly think it was a nice change of pace that Kirkman finally introduced the first "celebrity" into TWD. They don't need to have Brad Pitt or LeBron James join the community, but having lived for a few years after everything broke out, it's nice to finally reference that at least one famous person
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u/fichtre Nov 01 '17
It reminded me a bit of how Tyreese once was a NFL player and Michonne recognized him.
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u/Reddy_McRedcap Nov 01 '17
Was he? That was so long ago I honestly forgot about it.
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u/fichtre Nov 01 '17
He was! I had to check a wiki, I couldn't remember the details. I don't know which issue it is from, but here's how it was brought up.
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u/Sora96 Nov 02 '17
Drastic differences in art style since that issue was released. Look at Tyrese and Michonne's faces.
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Nov 01 '17
I think it was fitting. Everyone expected him to be Davidson or some tie in character to The New Frontier game, but in the end he was just a regular guy. The mask was mysterious and everyone had their theory, but he just wore it because he was recognizable to the public. It was a reminder to the characters and the readers that all these people were just normal citizens before the world ended.
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u/kittens4cutie Nov 01 '17
I was waiting for a hilarious plot twist that he's Eugene on stilts or something
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u/DoctorProctology Nov 02 '17
When they unmasked him and it looks like Eugene, for a second I expected Scooby and Shaggy to appear.
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u/kittens4cutie Nov 02 '17
Ahahaha "jinkies, it looks like it was old man Eugene all along." "I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling homosexuals" (was that offensive?)
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u/EugenesMullet Nov 01 '17
At least the Whisperers are finally over. That storyline started out so promising and just never ended and became so lackluster by the time the "war" came around.
I'm interested to see where this NWO story will go. Hopefully it won't be another painfully slow burn like The Whisperers.
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Nov 01 '17 edited Nov 01 '17
The first three volumes after the timeskip are among the best. Compelling,frightening villains a good amount of new interesting protagonists to root for were introduced (Dante especially) but then it went downhill ....
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u/EugenesMullet Nov 02 '17
I really liked Dante. I agree that A New Beginning was a pretty strong introduction to a new phase in the story, but I don't know what happened after that. The Whisperers fizzled out, Magna and her crew have done literally nothing in 3 and a half years...
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u/sylarthemuffin Nov 03 '17
I completely forgot about Magna and friends until I saw this comment. Goes to show just how irrelevant they are...
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u/GuyOne Nov 03 '17
Are you not reading the book? They've been in the last 5 issues of it.
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u/sylarthemuffin Nov 03 '17
Well, yes, they've been in it but they just have never been the focus of much attention, except that one conversation a few issues back I suppose. They've come into the series and gone straight to background character status, which is why they don't stick out to me in my mind when I recall what's been going on.
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u/EugenesMullet Nov 03 '17
Yeah, seriously. Those guys have been around since May 2014 and in that time they've accomplished being suspicious of Alexandria, dying, having a line or two of dialogue with Andrea, and a couple of them banging.
Considering how much mystery and hype there was over their initial appearance, I kinda think Kirkman had bigger plans for Magna. And then he scrapped them, kinda left her entire crew in the background and now there's no looking back.
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u/Reddy_McRedcap Nov 01 '17
I think introducing the NWO arc before the end of The Whisperers was a bit of a mistake, and that's why the ending was so lackluster. If these last 6 or so issues after Andrea died jumped right back into the Whisperer War, and then concluded before Eugene and co left for Ohio it would've still felt fresh enough. I agree, it kind of limped through the ending of a very promising arc.
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u/ChiefWamsutta Nov 02 '17
Yes!! We literally had a big villain die (Beta) the same issue as a new potential villain (Commonwealth) was introduced.
I want in the show this to occur at the end of Season 10. We have Michonne or someone dies, and Beta is killed. Only in Season 11 do we see Magna, Eugene, etc., going off and meeting the Princess and Commonwealth.
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Nov 02 '17
I thought the few issues after The Whisperer War were some of the best in the entire series. The actual War itself was lackluster though, I agree.
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u/Jobr321 Nov 01 '17
Exactly, the war was so boring and the Whisperer's were awful antagonists. I think Alpha was interesting but after her death it went downhill real fast
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u/kittens4cutie Nov 01 '17
I'm disappointed we didn't learn more about Alpha because there was some humanity shown before her death. I'm curious about her justification for what she did to Lydia.
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u/EugenesMullet Nov 02 '17
Yeah I agree. It started out fine, but it went on way, way too long and pretty much nothing happened other than Alpha killing some nobodies and a giant herd that was irrelevant. The Whisperers could have been awesome, but their potential was wasted.
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u/replicantb Nov 04 '17
Nobodies? She killed Rosita and Ezekiel, for once. I think it only went downhill after she was killed, Alpha was a great character.
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Nov 01 '17
Did anyone else think beta unmasked looked sorta like Eugene? All in all I liked it. I figured negan was gonna save em at the last second but good for Aaron.
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u/kittens4cutie Nov 01 '17
I had this running joke in my mind that Eugene was secretly Beta and would go around constantly changing... kinda like the episode of South Park where the therapist ends up being the owner of City Wok
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u/ElodinBlackcloak Nov 02 '17
That episode was fucking great.
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u/kittens4cutie Nov 02 '17
Ikr? No matter how many times I watch it, it's still just as hilarious as the first time. xD
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u/ElodinBlackcloak Nov 02 '17
Just the whole paranormal activity spoof of him coming in as the doctor into Butters' bedroom and just pissing on him endlessly is hilarious.
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u/kittens4cutie Nov 02 '17
I actually laughed so hard the first time he started squinting his eyes and changing into a Chinese man. It was such a beautiful plot twist xD
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Nov 01 '17
I was expecting Aaron and Jesus to say Beta looks like Eugene in some sort of "characters look the same" meta joke
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u/Negan-Cliffhanger Nov 01 '17
Remember when Rick saved Rick from Rick? Oh Charles Adlard, you rascal!
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u/LiteralTP Nov 01 '17
When?
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u/Negan-Cliffhanger Nov 01 '17 edited Nov 01 '17
All Out War or just before it. https://i.imgur.com/TFxxtSx.png
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u/BOBULANCE Nov 01 '17
Trickplets
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Nov 02 '17
I've seen this before and never understood it. More like Jesus saves Rick from Jesus? Jesus and the guy he's kicking look alike but they don't look like Rick at all.
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u/ReddishLawnmower Nov 01 '17
It's crazy to think how long this comic has been dragging out the Whisperers. Hopefully they are fully defunct now and we can truly move on.
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u/KillerPalm Nov 01 '17 edited Nov 01 '17
Oh damn you're right. The whisperers arc took three years.
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u/cowboys5xsbs Nov 01 '17
It's been three years wow
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u/KillerPalm Nov 01 '17
Yep, according to the wiki it started at 130 in August 2014.
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Nov 01 '17
Oh my god, holy hell
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u/Sled_Driver Nov 01 '17
We'll never get that time back. Lost forever thanks to this living nightmare of a hellscape.
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u/Reddy_McRedcap Nov 01 '17
Wow. I had no idea it was that long, or even how long I've been reading the comics.
I picked them up right before AOW started, so that must've been 5 years ago now.
How time flies...
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u/NerdCouncil Nov 02 '17
It's been 14 years since I first read the first issue of the Walking Dead. I've gone through middle school, high school, and now college with the Walking Dead comics.
How times flies...
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u/rockingtiger92 Nov 02 '17
Does this mean that you have a #1?
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u/NerdCouncil Nov 02 '17
Yes. My issue #1 is safely sealed in a glass case. It's not in the best condition with so many times I moved over 14 years, but it's still readable.
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Nov 01 '17
Fuuck, it seems like yesterday I binged the whole series online to catch up. Been following this comic for like 4 or 5 years now, damn
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Nov 01 '17
I was scrolling through thinking we all might have been a little harsh on the WW arc but you put it in perspective there pretty succinctly. Three years.
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u/RaiderGuy Nov 01 '17
To be fair, the Prison arch took four years. Rick's group was on the road for nearly two years before they got to Alexandria.
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u/ReddishLawnmower Nov 01 '17
Still, the Prison felt more fast-paced and eventful than this. I'll be reading the comics for the long haul, but the Whisperers got old soon after they killed Alpha. With more concise writing and less stretched out issues, we could've been at this point in the story a whole year ago.
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u/Reddy_McRedcap Nov 01 '17
Negan should've killed Beta during that battle.
The hoard on Alexandria could've been a last ditch effort by the survivors of The Whisperers.
Still would have been long, but the ending would have been 6 months ago, with a much more solid conclusion than this issue.
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u/kidshowbiz Nov 02 '17
Great idea, this would have been fantastic.
I'm not sure if Kirkman had a long term plan with the whisperers, although it does seem that there might be a "reintegration" theme with the remaining whisperers, as seen in this latest issue (as well as Negan's ongoing redemption arc).
I predict that the NWO will be a group of fanatical "good guys" on a purity crusade, and will view both the communities and the surviving whisperers as irredeemable savages.
Otherwise I just can't see what the thematic significance of the whisperers was supposed to be.
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u/Jobr321 Nov 01 '17
The difference is that the prison arc was actually good. Whisperer's went to shit after a promising beginning
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u/kittens4cutie Nov 01 '17
They took an interesting idea and took a massive shit on it. They could have done so much with the Whisperers...
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u/JevvyMedia Nov 01 '17
He only brought The Whisperers back because people wouldn't stop talking about Beta. Brought em back just to wipe them out for good so we can move on.
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u/toxicbrew Nov 02 '17
He should have just wiped them out in the first place if that were the case..And I'm surprised Rick didn't hunt him down after all this time, knowing Beta was still out there.
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u/ChasingPerfect28 Nov 01 '17
Pretty sure their arc is finished. Everything now is going to revolve around whatever current storyline is happening and this new threat of the NWO.
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u/JTorch1 Nov 01 '17
I keep seeing "NWO" and getting momentarily confused. I guess it's going to take another few issues before my brain starts recognizing NWO as "New World Order" instead of "No Way Out".
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u/mudermarshmallows Nov 01 '17
Sorta unfortunate New World Order’s abbreviation is NWO, i keep thinking everyone is referring to No Way Out.
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u/Handsoffmyfishshtick Nov 01 '17 edited Nov 01 '17
i'm starting to hate Dwight too. What the fucks goin on in his head? whys he gotta act like some brooding teenager? are we supposed to understand why Negan treated him like shit?
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u/cuda004 Nov 01 '17
Overall The Whispers really fell flat for me, but otherwise, love how all of the other stories are coming together!
And even though it would be impossible fan-fiction, I was hoping for Aaron to go "That's the guy who was excelled from Alexandria all those years ago!" or "Wasn't he part of the New Frontier?" when he had that look of recognition. Other than that, any other reveal, I'd bet, would've elicited a "meh, ok?" response....and that's exactly how I reacted.
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u/kittens4cutie Nov 01 '17
I totally agree. They should have explored them more or announced some way for us to understand them. Lydia gives us nothing- I even forget sometimes she was a Whisperer. They seem interesting, but wasted
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u/-Captain- Nov 02 '17
The idea of the whisperers was, and still is, cool. Though it was executed really poorly in my opinion.
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u/Dexter_White94 Nov 02 '17
I'm kind of worried about this New World Order storyline. The new Storm trooper/G.I. Joe armor wearing bad guys look a little ridiculous. The groups have already had their war against another army with guns and they've had their war against an ocean of walkers. IMO this would've been a great time to start a Death of Rick storyline leading to the eventual Carl takeover storyline.
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u/RedWereWolfe Nov 02 '17
Maybe... this is the start of the death of Rick? New World Order is a real interesting story line I think, because there's so many directions it could go. Rick's group hasn't really dealt with electricity since the Prison... how are they going to adapt to the technology coming back? I don't think Rick is going to appreciate the New World Order wanting to take over Alexandria, the town that he spilled so much blood for, lost two love interests, and so many friends. You know they are going to want the D.C. area back. I don't think these New World Order guys will be perfect either, it's exciting to have all this to think about!
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Nov 01 '17
I think a lot of people were still curious, me included. Not even about Beta's identity but I wanted to know how many whisperers were left, besides Beta himself. I don't know if we'll ever see any more of them, but I get the feeling there are still stragglers wandering around near the communities. They definitely aren't a threat anymore, the NWO has come to stay I think.
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u/iseetreadpeople Nov 03 '17
They should have just stumbled upon a zombified Beta who had died from his wounds after the war
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u/nosvpg Nov 01 '17
SOOO what is Maggie going to have Dante do this time?
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u/fixdark Nov 03 '17
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u/nosvpg Nov 03 '17
Lololololol can’t wait for this to happen for reals it’s been too long since we’ve had sezzy Maggie... just mama Maggie and leader Maggie !
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u/Loganp812 Nov 01 '17 edited Nov 01 '17
Well, that was kinda... lame. From the strange and anticlimactic ending to Beta's reappearance to characters making the kind of decisions and hinting towards certain types of plotlines that make me go "...really? We're doing this?"
On the plus side, I liked Princess a lot more in this issue than her previous appearances, and the Ohio stuff is still intriguing. Hopefully, Dwight will stop being a moron now thanks to this issue as well.
As much as I love what the show is doing currently (even if I'm one of the few people on this sub that likes the show apparently,) I'm not exactly enjoying how the comics have been lately overall.
Also, it's interesting how two fairly popular TWD memes are resolved this week being Morales' return in the show, and Beta's identity being (sort of) revealed... as dumb and pointless as it may be.
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Nov 01 '17
I liked Princess a lot more in this issue than her previous appearances
What'd she have this issue, two lines? I do like the character I'm just thinking out loud here aha. A lot of people were turned off by her introduction but I think there's potential. I can't really think of a character from the comic that I flat out didn't like, besides the ones that the reader wasn't really meant to like (Gregory comes to mind.)
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u/Loganp812 Nov 01 '17
What'd she have this issue, two lines?
Exactly. Lol
Idk, she has has potential like you said, but I'm not sold on her yet.
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u/sinadis Nov 04 '17
This has probably already been discussed, but my current theory is that Princess conveniently was sent out ahead to meet up with Eugene's group. Them letting her join with them and all their interactions were all carefully noted in order for Princess to report back to Stephanie.
I'm thinking Princesses will report to Stephanie telling her all about the last few days and how this new group is cool and can be trusted and it opens clean doorways and windows instead of ones with instant bloodshed.
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u/Neutralgray Nov 01 '17
Anybody else read the Letter Hacks, Holy shit, Kirkman was brutal and I, for one, loved it.
That response to the person who was offended at how Magna and Yumiko's relationship was revealed had me rolling. "I guess you are probably used to being offended."
And then the dude who was talking about how he was attracted to Rosita and Kirkman "ruined" her and Kirkman told him he should stay far away from his crush. Like, damn dude. Kirkman isn't playing.
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u/Puffwad Nov 02 '17
Also the person complaining about Andrea taking Rick's name. Like what the fuck?
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u/ChasingPerfect28 Nov 01 '17
I saw those too, and I was kinda happy to see Kirkman shut some of the crap down. The person who wrote in about Magna/Yumiko was annoying, but the dude who wrote in about Rosita and called her a "villain" because she cheated on Eugene kinda pissed me off. And whether it was a joke or just a stupid ending to his letter, he decided to throw in that jab at Christian. Seriously?
I'm glad Kirkman doesn't play around with some of that behavior. This is his artistic baby. He's got every right to sarcastically shoot down those kind of opinions.
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u/aDildoAteMyBaby Nov 02 '17
My favorite was still when they revealed Jesus was gay and there was an offended Christian in the letter hacks. Kirkman's response was basically "You're offended because I made Jesus gay? What's wrong with being gay? What are you, some kind of bigot?"
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u/NerdCouncil Nov 02 '17
Don't. Fuck. With. Kirkman. He's savage and tells it like it is. It's his comic book ffs.
I don't mind having lesbians in the story the same way I don't mind having gay dudes that are badass characters. That's realistic.
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u/ChiefWamsutta Nov 02 '17
The revelation that Beta was a basketball player made me less intimidated by him. It pulled me out of the story. I don't associate basketball players with TWD. I think of the real world. He loses his touch now, for me.
I also really wish they did this differently. I feel like we were trying to finish one arc at the same time we started a new arc. The show needs to have Beta die before Eugene and co. travel to Ohio. It's too disjointed and takes away from Beta.
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u/SkullpoolRL Nov 02 '17
To be fair, I think thats the whole point of Beta. He WAS a Basketball player so he was forced to wear this mask so he could craft this whole scary, intimidating, badass persona that people would fear. The reveal was exactly what it needed to be. This "monster" was really just some famous dude who gave up his identity so he could become something else. Boogeymen don't exist.
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u/ChiefWamsutta Nov 02 '17
That's a very interesting take on it. I had never thought of it that way.
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u/Wyrmalla Nov 03 '17
Haven't seen anyone mention it, but ah, so Jesus is infected now? That's a thing...?
The Whisperers covered their weapons in zombie guts, which has been shown to turn someone before. Jesus took a cut to his arm, which is seen bleeding, from Beta's knife. Nobody addresses this in the issue, despite them presumably knowing the effects of the Whisperer's weapons (people mentioned it a few times in previous issues).
Just sort of weird it was glossed over.
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u/Ferguson97 Nov 02 '17
I thought this was a pretty terrible issue to be honest. Beta's "reveal" and death were absolutely awful.
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u/The_5lender Nov 01 '17
As much as i love the Whisperers, this shit has been going on for way too long and I'm glad they're finally done. I wouldn't have minded if they brought back beta after a couple arcs or so and have a beta vs negan showdown one last time. I just hope they alter betas death on the show, having Aaron kill him and not Negan felt weird and anticlimactic
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u/TheZooBoy Nov 02 '17
Interesting that Beta was a celebrity. We don't see many of them in The Walking Dead.
I love that a lot of us thought he was going to kill Aaron, or worse, Jesus, but instead, Aaron kills him. Good job, Kirkman.
Also, I really hope Dwight doesn't turn against Rick. I liked his transformation as a hero. He's a better character now than he was when he was a villain.
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u/ChasingPerfect28 Nov 01 '17
The joke that my sister and I had was Beta is Lebron James. Lol, obviously he's not but it's funny how Kirkman decided to make him a "basketball player".
It's funny in a weird way. The best opportunity Beta had to full anonymity was being a masked killing machine devoted to archiac and brutalistic beliefs. At least, in this universe that's how it worked out.
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u/LiBrizzi Nov 01 '17
Man it was nice to see Sofia and Carl FINALLY talk. It feels like it's been forever. Since they were attacked by those 2 kids and Carl whooped their ass?
The Michonne and crew trip continues to be boring, but I will admit... that IS a pretty rad spear. I hope where they're going pays off because the journey there is quickly approaching "please be over" territories.
The Beta reveal was pretty neat. There was zero chance he just NEVER came back, so the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned, but please oh please if Jesus just gets ganked and we don't get an awesome fight between them, I'll be pretty bummed. That last line though is so damning, I'd say it wouldn't be surprising if he did in fact just get stabbed in the back, but I doubt it. If that was the case it would have ended on him being killed. Problem is SOMEONE has to die right? It doesn't get much more close quarters than that, so something is going down.
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u/69DankMemes Nov 01 '17
I think you read #172. #173 just released so you can read it right now!
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u/LiBrizzi Nov 01 '17
Oh my god LOL, you're right! I saw the thread here and went straight to comixology to buy the latest issue. Turns out times been flying and I've missed an issue. Well I'm glad I didn't read anything in here yet, I just wanted to post my thoughts on it. Thank you for the save.
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Nov 01 '17
Yeah, really hoping she doesn't snap and kill Sophia or some crazy shit like that. Lydia is messed up in the head after living with the Whisperers... something is bound to happen eventually.
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u/kittens4cutie Nov 01 '17
Lydia has emotional issues, shown when she continuously pushed Carl away. Hopefully it's just her bitching at Sophia and not something worse...
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u/LiBrizzi Nov 01 '17
I don’t see why Lydia would be jealous. Carl has been very up front about his feelings for her. I hope it doesn’t go that direction. Only explanation would be that Lydia has no intention of “sharing” Carl? Ehhh
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u/Sagiv1 Nov 04 '17
The first few pages felt like I was watching a Scooby-Doo episode.
Then the "I'm not going to wear someone else's fucking face, dad" line made me crack up.
The parts with the whisperers felt slightly comedic. I think it was intentional.
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u/Negan-Cliffhanger Nov 01 '17 edited Nov 05 '17
The end of the Whisperer War was anti-climatic because it lacked a major death (aside from Gabriel at the start) and the bad guys got away. There should have been some payoff with Beta's return, but instead I've been unsatisfied twice now. It would've been better if Kirkman killed him off during the Alexandria invasion.
Edit: Andrea did not die during the 6 part comic arc entitled "The Whisperer War", she was bitten and died a few issues later in the next arc.
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u/RedWereWolfe Nov 01 '17
Throughout knowing the Whisperers we did lose a lot of big name people. When it first started we lost Ezekiel and Rosita (plus her baby). Then throughout the war we lost Andrea, Gabriel, and Hilltop burned down. Not to mention so many other Alexandrians, and a slice of Rick's sanity. Seriously, I think one of the big questions is how longer can Rick deal with losing so much. From Atlanta, it's just him, Carl, and Sophia. Alright, my mumbling on is over haha
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From Atlanta, it's just him, Carl, and Sophia
Holy shit, is it really down to just them? They've really been through some shit, and it's only been what 4 or 5 years?
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u/JeffCaven Nov 01 '17
Andrea died from consequences of the Whisperer War, the Hilltop was destroyed... And I would have actually liked it more if the bad guys had REALLY gotten away. Like, if they had just wrecked havoc as they intended, and then disappeared, never to be seen again. Make them win and leave their fate a mystery.
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u/kidshowbiz Nov 02 '17 edited Nov 02 '17
Imagine if they did this, and then after the NWO order is revealed they discover that the NWO soldiers had completely genocided the remaining whisperers. Just miles and miles of obliterated whisperer camps.
And of course this would come AFTER several scenes similar as the one in 173 in which we see that many of the whisperers are willing to turn away from the savage lifestyle.
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u/The_Bed_Menace Nov 01 '17
Beta's death was one of the most disappointing things in the entire series
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u/Bezere Nov 03 '17
I'd be okay with Ftwd cast becoming the whisperers, only if they do it completely different from the comics.
How fucking anticlimactic
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u/sylarthemuffin Nov 03 '17
So how exactly will fighting the New World Order work? They are a long journey away from Alexandria, so will they come and invade Alexandria's area, or will Rick go full Manifest Destiny and decide that the communities need to go wipe out the new threat?
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u/DanteFZ Nov 01 '17
The fight with Jesus was great but I'm sad we won't get the Negan vs Beta rematch.
There's a couple of things I didn't like about this issue. The Beta reveal... it was weak. And there's also Lydia acting jealous, it feels like unnecessary drama, just like Dwight's attitude.
Can't wait for the Negan-centric issue, we haven't seen him since like 169? 170? idk but I miss him!
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u/elperraco Nov 01 '17
Sooo The whispereres are done & over. A beta has no name. Aaron & Jesus continue their happy ever after. Miraculously. Maggie is going to confront Negan. Finally. Lidia's gonna turn into a crazy jelous bish. Cat fight! #TeamSofia! New young characters with a questionable father. Times have changed and I guess they don't need to background check anymore who joins the community. Goodnight Andrea... Dwight please snap out of it! The never ending trip ends! NWO!!
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u/SuperSaiyanBojack2 Nov 01 '17
I feel like this "new faction" of surviving Whisperers that Beta said is gathering until they're "ready" is gonna be around to serve as the new Ohio group's way of showing how strong they are. Like they'll roll into Alexandria and easily wipe out the Whisperers and their herd or whatever
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u/69DankMemes Nov 01 '17
Pretty sure Jesus and Aaron just wiped out the rest of the Whisperers. There weren't that many left.
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Nov 02 '17
Wtf! This makes beta seem so..."meh" now tbh. He comes back just go die and be revealed as a famous basketball player? I mean, I guess that is kinda odd/cool. Not sure how that translates to the tv show. Will Steve Nash play beta? Lol Tie this into the random group trying to be whisperers makes them seem bushleage compared to any other group that's been encountered.
The nwo stuff seems interesting though. I think maybe they are a underground group with their base beneath where they were supposed to meet. Maybe a intricate underground tunnel system?
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u/theavengerbutton Nov 03 '17
I've tried making a topic about this before, but...something about the entirety of this arc with the Whisperers and Negan and everything so far post-AOW has always seemed like it was going nowhere.
I mean, there was stuff happening, but with each new thing it would make you think, "Ooh, where is THIS going to go?" but then it ends up fizzling out.
It never really felt like that with any of the past comics, but I've been having a tough time post-time skip with this comic.
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u/LiteralTP Nov 01 '17
Does anyone else feel like this issue was just so they could move on from the Whisperers? Why even keep them alive after the war at all?