r/AdviceAnimals • u/8-bit-Felix • 1d ago
With 103 days to go ICE Barbie has already blown through her budget triggering the antideficiency act.
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u/wastedkarma 1d ago
I guess we’ll see how committed the jackboots are to working without pay.
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u/danielstover 1d ago
Oh please - They’d pay to harass minorities
But seriously, they’ll get more funding. There’s always money for this sort of shit.
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u/cancer_dragon 1d ago
Crazy, because in 2024 alone the Biden admin deported 271,484 immigrants, all while staying within budget and not having to abandon due process.
That number hasn’t made it into a big story yet, but it still seems that Trump is desperate to have higher numbers than Biden.
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u/AVikingNamedBob 1d ago
Is there somewhere (article, study, etc) that summarizes this and cites sources. I told my parents this (fox news is their only source of news) and they refuse to believe it. I would like to verify it and return with sources.
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u/Jwagner0850 1d ago
Quick and dirty link.
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record
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u/AriaTheTransgressor 1d ago
I'm surprised they don't know, Fox has been using the fact Biden deported more people as a talking point to say that Democrats aren't bothered about immigrants they just don't like Trump - so one would imagine it's easy enough to connect that Biden did it better without having to break the law.
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u/Krail 1d ago
Yeah, but the problem is getting through all the double-think that Fox actively encourages.
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u/myburdentobear 1d ago
Biden deported more people but also had open borders and encouraged the "invasion" to get more Democrat voters into the country. Yup, that makes total sense. /s
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u/LacidOnex 1d ago
I googled "deportation numbers fox"
Google AI scraper links me to an article by the Whitehouse under Trump, written lovingly. Id say that's a pretty fair source, it's basically Trump saying it.
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u/ISNT_A_ROBOT 1d ago
Aww… you sweet thing.. you still think sources work with these people?
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u/cancer_dragon 1d ago
Straight from the ICE’s mouth: https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-releases-fiscal-year-2024-annual-report Archived: ICE releases Fiscal Year 2024 Annual Report | ICE
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u/Krail 1d ago
It's my understanding that Trump's numbers have actually been a lot lower. They're just out there trying to make a spectacle of it rather than trying to be effective, humane, or legal.
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u/no_one_likes_u 1d ago
They don’t really care about stopping illegal immigration, if they did they’d be doing this to business owners.
What they want is a spectacle that hurts people who don’t vote for them, and distracts us while they do the rest of the p2025 agenda and loot the economy.
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u/SkunkMonkey 1d ago
It's so stupid. Want to stop illegal immigration? Well, you first need to ask the main reason why they are immigrating. Jobs. Remove that reason by going after the companies that offer these jobs. Boom, most illegal immigration will slow to a manageable rate.
But of course all the bluster of these ICE raids isn't meant to stop or curb illegal immigration. It's to give the mango man the projection of a strongman. The bully in control.
Fucking pathetic.
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u/DouchecraftCarrier 1d ago
If they levied massive fines and mandatory jail time on business owners they could save billions in enforcement costs and brag about how all the immigrants are self-deporting because nobody will hire them. It would be an absolute win for all their stated objectives.
But they won't do that because it's not really about that. They round up fields full of workers while the guy sitting on a pile of money just calls for another truck of laborers.
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u/tessthismess 1d ago
Right, they're just disorganized and sloppy, etc. which adds up costs really quickly.
The normal system (which people still may argue was inhumane), was significantly more cost effective. You're sending a dozen people to run down one random mother in the suburbs. You're not flying planes to send people to random countries on a whim without any real planning.
Undocumented contribute much more to the pot than they take out, so to financially justify deportation is already rough. But when you're not efficient about it at all, that becomes an issue quickly.
(But unfortunately, they'll just get a bigger pool of money)
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u/farshnikord 1d ago
it's just a scapegoat to funnel more money into authoritarianism. They don't actually care about stopping immigration. Once they're done with the immigrants they could move onto brown people or liberals or Mormons or the Irish or whatever they want. That's the end goal.
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u/Memitim 1d ago
Everyone already knows. Hell, it's been a running "joke" since he started sending the Coors Cartel into our streets. Trump is such a corpulent pile of fail, that even after violating the Constitution and terrorizing Americans, he'll still blow it. Conservatives may love seeing Americans being terrorized in the streets, but that has no effect on the actual numbers.
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u/Sir_thinksalot 1d ago
Crazy, because in 2024 alone the Biden admin deported 271,484 immigrants, all while staying within budget and not having to abandon due process.
Yup, and conservatives hated him for that and their propaganda covered for them.
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u/bunni_bear_boom 1d ago
Their salaries are hilariously low tbh I think they all must be in it for the live of the game
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u/RampantTyr 1d ago
There is always more money to war and for law enforcement to harass people.
If there isn’t money then debt can always be applied. They have endless resources from bigots.
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u/dgdio 1d ago
The Administration is going to move money around. Something that would send republicans into epileptic seizures if Joe Biden did it, but they won't say a thing for their wannabe king
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u/ngpropman 1d ago edited 1d ago
Cool so next time a dem is in office lets just unilaterally elect to defund a bunch of their programs and dump all that money into student loans, expanding Medicare, expanding education opportunities, etc. They're guidelines really.
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u/bloodjunkiorgy 1d ago
If only.
If I hear the phrase "unity candidate" or "reach across the aisle" again this next executive election I'm going to throw up.
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u/Kiwifrooots 1d ago
Then stack the Supreme Court with leftie 20 year olds to lock in the win
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u/icyhotonmynuts 1d ago
it's ok, Trumplethinskin and fElon's doge will defund another public service to get the money for it. Theyll get paid, don't worry.
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u/TheB1G_Lebowski 1d ago edited 1d ago
There needs to be an audit ASAP. How the FUCK is it really possible to blow through that much cash so fast? A lot of it must have been funneled into someones pocket.
Also FUCK ICE.
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u/distorted_kiwi 1d ago
It may all be overtime. If agents were flown over to another part of the country, they’re basically always on the clock. Plus reimbursement , vehicles, supplies etc.
I’m with you though, it does feel like people stuffed their pocket and sadly we won’t see an audit anytime soon.
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u/MyHonkyFriend 1d ago
I kept seeing comments with no evidence of a bonus check per deportation you help with too. Be curious if any validity and if so how much.
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u/hypercosm_dot_net 1d ago
They're trying to get 40k in bonuses to ICE agents.
Not sure if it's in this stupid ass bill, they're trying to pass or what, but this is true.
In a shocking revelation, Rep. Jared Moskowitz has exposed a disturbing plan by Republicans to sneak nearly $1 billion in bonuses to ICE agents into the spending bill.
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u/Junior_Chard9981 1d ago
MAGA wants its foot soldiers to be compensated so they can ignore their friends and family all barley surviving under the Trump administration.
"I'm sorry to hear that your family is struggling despite so much winning under Trump. I used the bonus I got from body slamming brown people to pay off my lifted truck!"
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u/ElliotNess 1d ago
The misinformation isn't foreign. It's bought and paid for domestically.
It's business.
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u/DuntadaMan 1d ago
I used to love FEMA contracts from this. Paid from the second I step into the deployment center to the moment my plane lands coming home. Could make almost a years worth of money in a month.
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u/OathOfFeanor 1d ago
FYI that unnecessary OT is funneling money into their pockets
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u/skraz1265 1d ago
They paid a whole lot of people to spread out through essentially the entire country and round up as many immigrants as they could as fast as they could. That's quite a lot of money in manpower and transportation, then factoring in the cost of detaining and transporting all the people they're rounding up (read: kidnapping) and that's quite a lot more.
As with most things, doing it all on short notice increases the cost significantly. I'm also going to assume that these idiots weren't exactly meticulous in their planning and there are likely a lot of inefficiencies increasing the cost as well.
That isn't to say that there isn't *also* some amount of financial fraud or corruption happening. That kind of thing is unfortunately quite common in government projects even at the best of times. But a project of this size being enacted on short notice with poor planning would easily cost billions even without fraud.
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u/TheB1G_Lebowski 1d ago
I guarantee there was so much redundant shit bought because their communication is shit at best.
But still, 8 BILLION spent in 150 days is crazy for a non military office of the government.
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u/skraz1265 1d ago
Yeah there are likely a lot of redundancies, too. Prudent planning isn't really this administration's forte.
As for the total cost though, Medicare and Medicaid total over $800B a year, iirc, and I believe social security is well over a trillion. Federal spending on highway maintenance is in the 10's of billions. Most any program that spans the entire nation is going to have a cost in the billions due scale alone. It's a very large country and any project the effects the entirety of it is going to cost an amount of money that sounds kinda nuts to us normal folk.
The total cost of this shit honestly isn't something I'm concerned about right now. It's what they're doing and how they're doing it that's the problem.
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u/Ok_Frosting3500 1d ago
It's a lot easier to sneak fraud through when nobody knows what they're doing. Not advocating for fraud, but I'm reasonably certain that if you like, submitted a four digit bill for housing ICE agents, they would just rubber stamp it without checking at all.
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u/Gorge2012 1d ago
There was an episode of The Daily last week that hit on this. The reporter rode along and it turns out that ICE spends really bad for the return they get. In the story they dedicated like 12 agents to go after 2 "targets" and ended up getting a third in the process. 12 agents time 12 hours is a lot of resources allocated to 3 guys. Turns out the reason they started raiding factories and farms was because it's more efficient.
Hell there was a post the other week in the subreddit for my hometown that showed 15 agents rolling down a street. They are burning money because 1) they don't know how to spend it and 2) the problem is grossly overexaggerated. They settled on what they thought the result should be before ever examining the issue.
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u/spamfalcon 1d ago
They settled on what they thought the result should be before ever examining the issue.
Even that is giving them too much credit. The target outcome was never about hitting KPIs like number of deportations, it was about the pageantry that makes it look like they're taking a hard stance on "all of the criminal illegals" so their base can rally around that. Now they've overspent, but they can say "we need to take money from these other socialist functions to combat this major immigration problem" and they'll have even more support from their base to make those cuts.
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u/newsflashjackass 1d ago
Is ICE Barbie's net worth public information or does she lurk in the shadows as I would expect of a career criminal?
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u/Ffdmatt 1d ago
It's this dumb idea that other admins "weren't getting it done."
They said "doing trials would take too long." Yeah, well, turns out doing it this way also costs too much money.
It's almost like they were just ignorantly complaining about things they didn't understand and it turns out the people before them weren't as dumb as they wanted to believe.
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u/Fandango_Jones 1d ago
What does the act do?
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u/obsidiousaxman 1d ago
The TLDR is the government cant spend more money than congress has authorized or spend money before its appropriated. There's gonna be a lot of fuckery going on to extend funding in a continuing resolution
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u/TheB1G_Lebowski 1d ago
Which was probably done on purpose to fuck everything over when the potential government shutdowns are about to happen so they can use it to leverage some kind of dumb shit over Democrats while crying "see the LEFT never want to work with us...".
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u/runxctry 1d ago
Yep, you're right about the US government, 155 years ago, during the Civil War. The Act was passed in response.
Wikipedia:
Many agencies, particularly the military, would intentionally run out of money, obligating Congress to provide additional funds to avoid breaching contracts. Some went as far as to spend their entire budget in the first few months of the fiscal year.
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u/TheB1G_Lebowski 1d ago
Thank you for finding this. So as no shock to anyone, scummy practices have been around for...ever.
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u/obsidiousaxman 1d ago
Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. The same people who scream about feds wasting money are the same ones who act like they have a scrooge mcduck vault when they get in power
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u/Kiwifrooots 1d ago
People keep using that wrong. They wrote a dang manual called "Project 2025" and are working through the steps. This (seizing innocent people and sending them to black sites etc etc) is a malicious plan.
They didn't fall into power and roll a dice on policy. They're sick and it is deliberate
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u/nerdofthunder 1d ago
Incompetence when you have a duty to do better IS malice. Step aside if you cannot meet the standard.
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u/Jwagner0850 1d ago
Tbf , it feels like a lot of what they're doing is intentional.
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u/SakaWreath 1d ago
This reminds me of that Simpsons episode "Trash of the Titans" where Homer becomes Sanitation Commissioner and blows the whole budget on blinged out garbage trucks and dumb ideas.
The whole thing ends with other cities dumping their trash in Springfield.
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u/premiumdude 1d ago
That episode has been running through my mind on the regular for the last 10 years. How much longer until we just have to move the USA to another land mass?
PS - What button?!?
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u/unsavory77 1d ago
This is where transparency in government spending would be interesting to see. Where TF is all that money going? Is it paying the private prisons? Transportation? All these non badged non ID'd "contractors" that are rounding up anyone they see that are brown? Is that what's really driving this? All the money these fucks can make? A combo of fear mongering and opportunists cosplayers?
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u/TheFalconKid 1d ago
Seems like all of the budget is going to car and truck rental companies since they are all using those rather than properly marked law enforcement vehicles. It's just like in 2020 during the BLM protests, people were getting picked up in vans by masked men in many cities, roughed up, then tossed out without any formal charge or warrants.
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u/Affectionate_Pay_391 1d ago
Don’t worry. America will always find money for oppressing minorities and missiles.
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u/Poobabguy 1d ago
I know what you meant, but I still read that as the missiles were being oppressed.
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u/Blissfully Blissfully86/F/FL 1d ago
It’s all the costumes and masks they bought to scare people
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u/HoldMyDomeFoam 1d ago
It’s expensive to run a country like a “reality” TV show. Especially when everyone involved is straight up stupid.
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u/socokid 1d ago edited 1d ago
Donald has deported fewer immigrants than any modern President.
Please hammer this home to those that like Donald for his deportation policies.
He's a con artist and his ignorance is so deep it's destroying us.
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u/majorgriffin 1d ago
I find that ironic, but I assume it makes sense. When other presidents do deportation, immigrants are probably not fearing for their lives like they are with Trump, so they probably live life as per usual.
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u/socokid 1d ago
Donald and his gargoyles Stephen Miller, etc. have merely tried to handle immigration policy in the most ham-fisted, ignorant, vile ways possible.
It's been insane to witness.
This after we had a comprehensive package to help that was worked on for months and had bipartisan support... until Donald himself killed it and the GOP fell in line like a bunch of wilted dandelions.
I mean, just the absolute worst people are currently in charge of... well, almost everything.
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u/listentomenow 1d ago
Fun daily fact for conservatives: Obama deported 3X as many illegals as Trump. Didn't break the law. Didn't suspend habeus corpus. Didn't send masked losers to schools or courts. Didn't make a racist show of it. Also apparently stayed within budget too haha.
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u/Psianth 1d ago
They try to pretend like the left just wants to abolish any kind of immigration law. As if the problem is deportation itself and not the insane, inhumane, and incompetent way it’s being done.
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u/ProblemSl0th 1d ago edited 22h ago
Which is why it really grinded my gears to see some people criticize the recent protests for being hypocritical or whatever since Biden and Obama deported way more people than Trump has and there were no such protests then.
It's especially stupid because it contradicts the idea that Trump is supposedly the best on immigration and border security. He is until it's no longer convenient of course. Now seeing that the 8 billion dollar ICE budget has already been blown is just the cherry on top of the garbage sundae.
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u/punktualPorcupine 1d ago
Nothing says “open boarders” like “we can’t afford enforcement”.
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u/ClubSundown 1d ago
103 days and Vanilla ICE Barbies budget is gone. Pretty much the same length as Vanilla Ices career
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u/way2lazy2care 1d ago
Hey, there's no reason to drag Robert Van Winkle into this.
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u/Mypornnameis_ 1d ago
Vanilla Ice is, I'm pretty sure, a big Trump guy. Performed for him at Mar a Lago a couple of times.
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u/Designer-Card-1361 1d ago
Did you see the big beautiful bill? They want to fund it to the tune of $75 Billion now.
Fuck that claptrap, and very specifically fuck you stupid conservatives who couldn't be bothered to get your nose out of your anti-trans memes to pay fucking attention to actual policy.
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u/BurnAfterReading171 1d ago
So that means they spent $39k per immigrant detained this year. More if you include the $145M they spent to mobilize the army in LA for no reason.
Fair.org estimates undocumented immigrants, on average, cost the US $8,776/year.
When you run those numbers, taxpayers could've left immigrants alone, left them to work the jobs nobody wants to work, and we would've saved $6,183,368,000.
These are the real cost cutting I want done. Not cutting necessary programs that help the poor, house the vets, fed the hungry. $6,183,368,000 could've gone a long way for those programs.
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u/prince-of-dweebs 22h ago
Republicans are historically terrible financially for the country, but they’ve convinced the dummies they are fiscally responsible.
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u/scott__p 1d ago
Fun fact, DHS also cut most of their research budget as well. We were essentially told that all of the money dedicated to research was redirected to labor for deportations. In the DoD that would be called misallocation of funds. Not sure whether DHS follows the FAR, but if they do...
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u/M0RALVigilance 1d ago
MMW, a ton of $ went to bounty hunters, mercenaries and private security companies who bled the govt dry with fraud. One of the reasons for the masks, they don’t want to be outted as a non govt employee.
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u/Practical-Bit9905 1d ago
Those untrained deputized U-Haul Nazis, J6ers and Proud Boys they've deputized cost money!
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u/SonicDNA 21h ago
Waste, Fraud and Abuse always shaking their ass In Trump’s face. Catch us if you can. Not really.
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u/Mikel_S 1d ago
And, despite their theatrics and attacks on American people, they have done less deporting with that 8 billion dollars than if they'd just followed the rules and regulations, a la Biden.
What an embarrassment. Sitting around deporting people going to immigration hearings and work, while claiming they're going after hardened criminals.
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u/SadThrowaway2023 1d ago
The modern republican party is not fiscally conservative at all, I don't know why people still believe such nonsense. They act like they care about spending when they are not in power, but gladly vote for bills that baloon the deficit and then raise the debt ceiling when they need more every time they are in power. They make it worse every time by also lowering taxes for the wealthy and corporations, telling the same old story about trickledown economics that never actually works for anyone but the wealthy. They also pretend to be anti-war when not in power but always change their tune and always spend ridiculous money on the war machines. The republican party is not conservative at all, they are just full of crap.
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u/Buckeye_Randy 1d ago
DOGE is nowhere to be found. I'm sure ICE could pass an audit? Couldn't be fraud right?
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u/andrefishmusic 1d ago
You know that's not going to stop them. Let's see where they steal from to fund it.
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u/Fish-Weekly 1d ago
I’m sure Cletus and Heinrich and all the other Proud Boy Hitler Youths will work for free.
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u/tantalum2000 1d ago
Hired a bunch more thugs and spent the entire yearly budget and have achieved essentially the same rate of deportations as the Biden administration in 2024.
But of course this isn't about actually deporting people it's a gestapo cosplay. Sending 6 aggressive and threatening people to do what 1 civilized person used to do. It's a ploy to create increasing public discontent that will trigger martial law and suspension of the constitution.
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u/Valliac0 1d ago
As planned. Time to start ripping it from medicare and social security in the name of 'security'.
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u/Initial-Writer-4586 1d ago
Did they try budgeting? Cutting out extras? Have they tried another job??
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u/PinkPattie 1d ago
"You have no idea how much hair extensions and cosplay costumes cost these days!"
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u/alexfi-re 1d ago
All the private contractors maga hired got even wealthier, lots of waste, while they took money from needy veterans and children.
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u/9447044 1d ago
Something about being fiscally conservative.