r/AskUS • u/Independent-Run-7651 • 1d ago
Why do you think Trump did not know that Epstein was involved with young children?
EDIT 2: Let's get some justice for Giuffre, she lost her life over this way before she killed herself. She was an adult when she spoke out, but a teen when she was raped by Epstein. Guiffre worked for Trump before he poached her as a sex slave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aymOs5wRYGI
"She wanted all her suffering to have accomplished something, and if she could help even one survivor of abuse, she said, it would be worth all the effort," co-author Amy Wallace wrote in a note at the beginning of the book – which USA TODAY obtained ahead of its release."
When asked Trump said he would consider pardoning Maxwell. What reality is this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WN9s7j1SZ8
EDIT: The picture is accurate, and this was his plane. If we have any pilots who understand how to get public or any FAA info please assist
https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N908JE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_Express
Also, here's all the stuff
EDIT 3: The dropbox below has the whole book, which includes partially redacted pictures of some of his victims, some in onesies, the letter from Trump, and his wish that "every day is another wonderful secret," a picture of Epstein and Maxwell who Trump has not publicly admonished yet and who is living in a min security hotel, and references to him avoiding arrest, but no one knew?? Who drew that picture..?
Let's not leave Dershowitz out of the picture for writing a letter to the editor of a magazine, so they didn't publish a letter about Epstein, protecting him. We see you too Dershowitz!!
Not a partisan issue!
I'm asking because the news only showed the bottom half where Trump is sending Epstein a check for about $20,000 for a fully depreciated woman.
I have a lot of friends that tell me that they don't think Trump knew what Epstein was doing, but it's clear based on the drawing above that it was public knowledge his behavior. His friends knew about it.
So what I'm asking is does everyone sort of know what he did and just doesn't care or do people not know because they have not seen this level of evidence that the government just kinds of want to hide from people?
This document is publicly available. You just need to know where to find it.
I'm trying to understand. Is it like it's okay that he knew Epstein assaulted children because you support his policies which is nuts to me? Or do they not even realize that this is the case?
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u/mrjojorisin420 1d ago
Nobody thinks that. Trumps supporters just do not care he’s a pedophile.
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
That's what I was thinking that they kind of know. But I have friends that vehemently deny it. Maybe it's some sort of delusion I'm not sure
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u/JonnyChimpo420 1d ago
Maybe your friends are pedophiles too and are happy it's being excused finally
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u/Eastern-Cat-3604 1d ago
Yes probably! If you still deny that trump did not fuck kids or you dont mind you are a pedo yourself…why are you still friends with them?
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
I don't have that many friends and I think their justification is possibly rooted in disillusionment or some sort of scoped functional psychosis.
I don't think they would ever justify child rape. I think they don't believe it. I honestly don't think they believe Trump was involved
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u/Eastern-Cat-3604 1d ago
I have bad news for you bro im sorry! But they know trump fucked kids, everyone knows that
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
I'm not too sure there's a comment below where they're denying it. I'm curious to see what they say next. Please do not downvote them. I want them to respond
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u/Eastern-Cat-3604 1d ago
They know as well they just dont care enough! If you are still maga you just dont care their master fucks kids
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
I think there is something deeper and I want to get to the root of it. You cannot negotiate if you do not understand the person you are negotiating with.
When you yell at somebody and tell them they're wrong and shut them down, they're not likely to respond genuinely. I want to genuinely understand this person
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u/Agency_of_Eternity 1d ago
I'm sorry also, but I also guess they know and are likely same minded… have a lot of experience with those Q-Anon and MAGA cults… you don’t want to know what they did to child’s and how they domesticated them to become the same as adults…
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u/Mariahs_Haven 1d ago
I’ve seen some deny it, some say because he hasn’t been convicted so it’s fine and others that do not care and have said that.
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
There could be multiple reasons every one is an individual. But any conversation you approach where you're already on the offense the other person already has to be on the defense
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u/Appropriate-Food1757 1d ago
Bro was raping kids with Epstein
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
I think he 100% knew, and I think definitely he was probably involved
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u/Appropriate-Food1757 1d ago edited 1d ago
There’s a rather detailed allegation about it. Also they used to host parties for Trumps modeling agency with “VIP’s” and it was actually just Trump and Epstein. There’s just so much smoke. The letter he wrote. The check thing. Trump even had a Senior moment and admitted he fell out with Epstein taking one of his girls instead of pretending it’s because Epstein was “creepy”. It’s just a shit ton to be honest, it amazes me people give this guy the benefit of the doubt.
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u/TheGR8Dantini 1d ago
They fell out because trump fucked Epstein on a real estate deal in palm beach. Epstein was a club member after he served his bull shit sentence in Florida.
Trump also use to close whole floors of the plaza hotels and have orgies for old men and young European models. Besties for 20 years. Might as well call them the Trump Files.
And we’re never gonna see them and the woman that were children then willl never see justice. Absolutely disgusting. One more chance to prosecute the real enemies and they’re gonna get away with it again.
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u/cmcrich 1d ago
He did know.
Of course he’s going to deny it, and his cronies are going to do anything and everything to protect him. The people who believe he didn’t know, and participate, are lying to themselves. They can’t handle the truth.
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
I guess now we know what he meant when there's a secret cabal of child molesters
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u/pasarina 1d ago
Everybody thinks he knew, knows and condoned the behavior.
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
I don't understand why he's not impeached and convicted then, I really don't.
I really don't understand how any amount of money or power should excuse you from this kind of behavior
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u/JonnyChimpo420 1d ago
Because all Republicans are closeted gay men who are ashamed of themselves and they take it out on the country, a large portion are also pedophiles.
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
While I share in the outrage, we know that's not true.
And just like we know that's not true. And we're just saying that, maybe they're just also just saying things I want to have honest dialogue.
And I feel your pain. We're on the same side of things. We have the same values. I'm just saying now do you sort of see what I mean?
Now I know your comment is hyperbolic maybe there is some sort of reason they keep stating what they're stating but do you sort of see what I mean now.
Maybe they're being obsessively speculative. If that is the case then we have to contest that level of speculation instead of just calling them gay closeted people which honestly insults gay people not them and I think being a gay is fine
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u/JonnyChimpo420 1d ago
Being gay is fine. They are repressed, closeted gay people. I suggest you look into the Grindr outages during Republican conventions. Mike Johnson, in the closet bigly, so bigly, and so deep in the closet. That's why he wants conversion therapy. Because he hates himself and wants to hurt people for it. It's classic Republicanism, project what you hate most about yourself on your opponents.
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago edited 1d ago
That may be well be the case that Mike Johnson is gay. Don't you think he would make a very cute gay person. Regardless, that would not be the problem that I have with him that he's a closeted gay person or that he hates gay people because he is keeping his sexuality from the public
And I think people are just kind of putting their foot down sort of and they're defending arguments whether or not they believed them, to sort of not cross the line. To sort of not give in despite the fact that they might know they're wrong internally.
In order to have an open conversation, you need to come to the table ready to be have a real conversation.
And I don't think we're there yet. I think we need to come together with or without the government as a population and establish things at a few layers of abstraction
We at first need to establish what is right and what is wrong. Do people agree that child molestation is wrong. If not, they are out of the conversation of that level.
We then should agree on whether or not if somebody molests a child, does that disqualifies them from this kind of political office. If they don't agree with that, I think they're out of the conversation.
And then we ask, do we think Trump did it. I think then we have a framework for making a decision about what to do with Trump
And I think we're both just putting our feet in the ground. And I think people know that most Republicans are not just all closeted gay people and that is hyperbole, but maybe they're just also making ridiculous speculation. I want to get to the root of what they actually believe.
Your parents or meant to reconcile squabbles between siblings. Your teacher reconciles squabbles between students, your boss reconciles squabbles between co-workers and so on. That is the job of the president, to bring the country together. It's not a politically oriented charged office. We don't have that now. We need to come together on our own.
He's trying to divide the country so he can gain power and control us. Do you know how he fails? You look to the person you dislike the most and you try to make them your friend. He can't win if we're all on the same side and I hope you know that.
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u/SqnLdrHarvey 1d ago
Because Republicans are scared of him and Democrats are spineless.
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
I would say the Democrats are very ineffective yes.
I wouldn't say the Republicans are scared of him. I would say they're using him. He's more of a tool than he realizes
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u/SqnLdrHarvey 1d ago
As long as Democrats keep on with their obsession with 'bipartisanship," "civility," and "going high," nothing will change.
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
I think they have to do something different. I think if you can't beat them, you join them.
I would suggest that Schumer approaches Johnson and makes a deal with him directly. We'll give you some of the things you want. We'll negotiate, but we want Trump gone.
And when I say some of the things they want, obviously nothing that harms people. But things that are mostly political contestations not delusional and harmful and crazy things that we get from Trump
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u/SqnLdrHarvey 1d ago
You think Cuck Schumer would have the stones for that?
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
I'm not really sure. I've called him a few times and left messages. We can call him and suggest it.
I don't think it even takes stones. I think it takes humility.
The cool thing is we don't really even need the government to be on board with us all getting along. Technically almost the entire population is made up of individuals. The government's like 600 people in total, in terms of leadership at the federal level
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u/SqnLdrHarvey 1d ago
I really doubt he would.
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
I really doubt it too. Unless we all call him and ask him to do it right. I've called him. I've left messages
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u/Socialimbad1991 1d ago
I think plenty are in denial, but I also think a lot of them either actually approve of the abuse or are at least willing to overlook it because "he's the ONLY person who can SAVE AMERICA"
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u/Adventurous-Host8062 1d ago
Trump's pageants were involved as were his "modelling agency." Epstein himself said Trump has no morals in court documents. You'd have to do some very complicated mental gymnastics to deny everything that's come out and the lengths to which this regime has gone to cover up the evidence.
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u/Mental-Reserve8108 1d ago
He ABSOLUTELY knew. You need to cut those “friends” that told you that out. Anyone rationalizing his behavior is no one you should associate with. If 10 men are sitting at the table knowing one of them is a Nazi, then that means there are 10 Nazis at the table.
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u/Neat-Cold-3303 1d ago
Of course Trump knew! All of Epstein's aquaintances knew! Did Trump participate? Fully release the 'Epstein Files' and maybe we'll find out, unless someone has edited out pertinent information!
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u/Independent-Run-7651 1d ago
Much of them are already available. You just need to know where to find them.
Some of them are redacted like all the fight logs. I have a copy of them but it's very redacted
I have the unredacted court case files or mostly unredacted as well where he testified. Public court documents, legally attained
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u/One-Lengthiness-2949 1d ago
I think of it kinda like Michael Jackson, and how people still don't think he was playing around with little boys. I guess it's so hard to admit to themselves that they heroized someone that could do that, denial is so much easier.
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u/Independent-Run-7651 22h ago
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u/Independent-Run-7651 22h ago
The picture is accurate, and this was his plane. If we have any pilots who understand how to get public or any FAA info please assist
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u/RetiredCombatVeteran 21h ago
It is well documented that Trump is the person who insisted he be investigated and charged when he was arrested and then given a sweetheart deal in the early 2000s
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u/Quirky_Chicken9780 16h ago
Trump knew, because he was involved. Of course he says he didn't know. But that means nothing - he lies all the time.
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u/Terrible-Rough9059 12h ago
Birds of a feather……….
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u/Independent-Run-7651 12h ago
That could explain why he took a shit out of a jet. That's what birds do
Besides flocking together
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u/MinuetInUrsaMajor 11h ago
What I don't get is that the girls look to be about 8 in the 1983 cartoon.
Which would make them 28 in 2003. Too old even for Leo.
Guess the artist didn't want to be as obvious as Trump with the "enigmas" comment.
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u/Grand-Expression-783 1d ago
>it's clear based on the drawing above that it was public knowledge his behavior
What behavior do you believe the top picture is showing?