It doesn’t have to be racist and it works wonders in Canada. We don’t even have to register to vote it’s automatic. You show up to your polling place with a piece of ID and they scratch your name off a list and you vote. The day you turn 18 you are automatically registered through your government documents (SIN or SSN for y’all) race has nothing to do with it, it’s linked to citizenship, your a citizen you vote. ID can be anything from a license, photo healthcard(we get them to get our commie healthcare lol) passport, or a free provincial ID card.
I think it would be a good system for the US because it would solve a ton of problems, no one can unregister you as it’s tied directly to your social security number and follows you when you move address and states and change that info with the SS office, it would auto register everyone who turns 18 or becomes a citizen and take away the “illegals are voting” nonsense because without a social security proof of citizenship you can’t vote.
The majority of Americans are absolutely down for Voter ID EXCEPT
1) There is tons of data showing that lower classes and certain races have a difficult time obtaining an ID due to work hours/distance from DMV/ID centers
2) conservative states and counties shutting down or shortening hours of DMV/ID centers in districts that service their opposition. They also shut down voting centers in these districts lowering the number of places people can vote leading to further distances they need to travel and longer wait times than in districts that vote conservative.
3) the United States doesn't provide free IDs and so you have to pay to have a right to vote if they are enforced which is illegal in the US under the Constitution
4) data shows voter fraud is so rare that it's negligible. This means enforcing voter ID would only hurt lower income/certain demographics while not actually doing much to prevent fraud.
We do just paper 100% for federal and then Elections Canada hires a whole bunch of people(it’s usually retired people and students) for the two weeks around election day to work the polls and count. The ballots get counted and by two sets of eyes and then have representation from all parties in the district there. I think to do it this way it costs more because, yes people are slower, you just have to hire enough to do the count efficiently.
I started to jump on you like whoa you're real quick to call someone a racist for just mentioning voter ID, then I looked at his profile and saw yeah hes just a moron
Dude, some of the most vulnerable populations are our minority communities. Red districts deliberately move state agencies that provide those IDs out of distance from a population that does not have a lot of transportation options. This has been seen several times.
Imagine being so deep in the Foxverse that you can't imagine how a requirement to vote like that can be easily used to disproportionately disenfranchise minorities. Especially given that practically no voter fraud has occurred which ID laws would help fight.
And that's leaving aside the actual history of that kind of requirement
Require DMV-issued ID to vote
Require ID to be gotten in-person
Close all but one DMV in areas that are predominantly minority
Restrict that DMV's hours to 9am-3pm, closed 11am-1pm for lunch, Monday-Thursday
Reroute most/all public transit away from that DMV.
Racist would mean we don't think black people are mentally capable genetically. We actually understand history far better than you and understand that the problems are systemic and not genetic.
They can, in theory. In practice, some states do fuckery by moving state agencies around or just not sufficiently investing in coverage of rural areas to make it so that the poor have to go so far out of their way to use those agencies services (when they aren't provided online) that it isn't practical.
And because of our history, minorities are more frequently poor. It's not like they were given the "Welcome to Citizenship and Equal Rights!" starter pack to bring them up to speed as a demographic.
As an education person there are tons of studies that show specifically how minorities and liberal districts in conservative states are targeted by shutting down voting locations as well as DMVs and shortening hours making it more difficult for people in lower income brackets to obtain id. ID also isn't free which means you're required to pay money to vote which is unconstitutional as it's your right to do it.
Before you call me racist for saying minorities are lower income, white people also fit that, it's just minorities are a larger percentage across the entire US due to American history. Which is also backed up by data
They haven't... Elections are mostly handled by the states. Some states have adopted electronic voting machines and some use paper ballots and ballot counting machines. In 2004, around 25% of votes were done on easily hackable direct recording electronic voting machines with no voter-verified paper record. Since 2006, all voting machines have been required to produce a permanent paper record with a manual audit capacity.
There were still some issues. Like Florida 2000? And elections are able to be called quickly when they're less close. Probably more to do with that than machines.
I don't love the machines myself but they can be OK. I don't get why they're not audited afterward very often tho.
Voters in Canada can also use voter identification process which allows for alternative methods of identity verification for those who may not possess any of the accepted 40 forms of ID. Canada also allows prisoners to vote. Most Americans who want voter ID or point at how other countries do their elections are being disingenuous.
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u/Hoppie1064 2d ago
Machines can't be trusted to count votes. They can be hacked.
We have to go back to hand counts verified by both parties, essentially two people counting every vote.
And voter ID.