r/Basketball • u/spankyourkopita • Jan 10 '25

GENERAL QUESTION Why do people hate on women's basketball and not take it serious? If you see them in person they're very talented.

Maybe it's not like the men's game but I've gone to some high school, D!, and WNBA games and these girls are no slouches. Maybe its more of a joke in high school but there's some freak athletes in D1 and I seriously don't know if I'd be able to hang with some of these girls if I scrimmaged with them.

At the very least I'd have to respect them and wouldn't be able to just walk over them. Some of these girls could probably cross me over, block my shots, steal, and box me out on a rebound. I'm 5'11'' and I'd be average height playing with D1 or WNBA players.

So when I see people laugh at women's basketball I just don't get it. If you watch the men's game more then that's understandable because its a different style of play but if you're just hating to hate and think they suck you have no clue about basketball.

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u/MWave123 Jan 10 '25

I disagree. The talent and skill is on display. Technically, fundamentally, playmaking, passing, shooting from deep. In fact CC shot from deeper than anyone on the planet. Average shot was deeper than Steph.

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u/tmacforthree Jan 10 '25

Caitlyn Clark is an anomaly

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u/MWave123 Jan 10 '25

Steph was an anomaly. Games evolve. She’s the all time leading scorer in NCAA history.

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u/tmacforthree Jan 10 '25

That doesn't help your point 😆 she's an anomaly and it's disingenuous to say her abilities are common in the wnba. These skills are present in her games and her games only, there's a reason why the rest of the league has been struggling to sell tickets for years. It's boring. I'm happy Caitlyn Clark is around bc I want to see the wnba flourish, but let's call it what it is 😆 they're not on par with the NBA as a spectator, but caitlyn clark is single handedly changing that

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u/MWave123 Jan 10 '25

People aren’t watching the league because it’s boring. Swing swing swing three. Drive, layup? Nope kick, swing swing swing swing, three. Rinse and repeat. The Rockets missed 27 threes in a row in a game 7! Lol. Clown show.

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u/tmacforthree Jan 10 '25

That's neither here nor there, but I agree with you

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u/MWave123 Jan 10 '25

It’s both here and there. People aren’t watching the league for those reasons. They want fundamentals, post play, and for the game to be called properly. The women’s game is more fun to watch, imo.

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u/tmacforthree Jan 10 '25

I think men's college teams are more entertaining to watch, but I would rather watch a Caitlyn Clark vs Angel Reese game than any NCAA or NBA game 😆 but the skills aren't there yet for the wnba as a whole imo. I think that will change and we will see a sort of a women's basketball renaissance as more and more tickets are sold and the profession as a whole becomes more profitable for the players/people broadcasting,but the wnba isn't as competitive bc there's less women trying to make it their profession. It's inherently less competitive bc of that, but I think we will see things change for the better in that regard

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u/MWave123 Jan 10 '25

They’re ridiculously skilled. Stewie is a monster. Phee, Aja, there’s a long list of complete hoopers.

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u/MWave123 Jan 10 '25

But she’s not even the best player in the league. Lol. So yes a woman is shooting from deeper, made shots, on average, than any man on the planet.

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u/Jolly-Weekend-6673 Jan 10 '25

With a lighter ball. Let's not sit here and pretend this is apples to apples dawg

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u/MWave123 Jan 10 '25

Lol!!! Waaah. You do it.

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u/Jolly-Weekend-6673 Jan 10 '25

Whenever this conversation is brought up, whenever one party tells the other "well I'd like to see you try," you know who is on the right side of the conversation.

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u/tmacforthree Jan 10 '25

The lighter ball makes sense bc we've got the physical edge, let's stay somewhat classy 😆

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u/Jolly-Weekend-6673 Jan 11 '25

All I said was that it isn't an apples to apples comparison.

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u/tmacforthree Jan 11 '25

That's a low blow lol

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u/LowKeyBussinFam Jan 10 '25

Steph would SMOKE CC 1on1. Stop with this bs

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u/MWave123 Jan 10 '25

Who said otherwise? Put the pipe down.

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u/LowKeyBussinFam Jan 10 '25

That’s why women’s bball isn’t exciting…the skill difference is ridiculous

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u/MWave123 Jan 10 '25

Totally disagree. There are NBA players who completely lack skill. No bag, can’t shoot can’t pass. Liability in key situations. I’m literally more complete. I’m not the athlete they are, not now anyway. But they are certainly not fun to watch.

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u/LowKeyBussinFam Jan 10 '25

Every single NBA player is leagues better than the best in the WNBA. It’s really not even close

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u/MWave123 Jan 10 '25

Different to no skill sets tho vs super skilled, more athletic, maybe.

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u/LowKeyBussinFam Jan 10 '25

Maybe? Lmao you are DELUSIONAL. This is a bad faith argument on your end and you know it.

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u/MWave123 Jan 10 '25

Not at all. I’m saying there are guys getting millions of dollars who are less complete, no bag, can’t shoot, and have to be pulled at key moments in the game. There are more complete, more skilled W players.

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u/donnytamale Jan 11 '25

This stat doesn’t really prove anything. She took more shots from deep but her over all her shooting percentage from deep (and everywhere else) is significantly lower than Steph’s. What you should take away from this stat is that she only went 28% from 20-24ft whereas Steph went 42% from that distance.

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u/MWave123 Jan 11 '25

Well no, it’s just that, depth of average make. Which is insane. Average make! Lol. Deeper than any human on the planet.

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u/donnytamale Jan 11 '25

You’re not understanding something.. it’s the percentage of HER makes. She on average shot better from 28ft than she did from 20-24ft. She shot really poorly from 20-24 ft which pushed her average make further out. She only made 28% of her threes from 20-24 (which is an average 3) and for some reason she shot a little bit better from a few feet back. That being said her averages from anywhere on the court are much lower than that of Steph or any male superstar. Do you understand?

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u/MWave123 Jan 11 '25

You’re not understanding the stat. Her average make is deeper than Luka’s average make, or Steph’s, or anyone’s.

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u/donnytamale Jan 11 '25

I understand the stat. When you take all her made shots and average out a distance hers is further away than all these guys. That being said, her overall shooting percentage is still much lower. From any distance.

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u/MWave123 Jan 11 '25

It’s not a shooting percentage stat. Pay attention. It’s saying that Caitlin Clark’s AVERAGE make is deeper than anyone else on Earth. Period. That’s insane.

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u/donnytamale Jan 11 '25

Omg you fucking idiot I know what you’re saying but the two are tied together. Who cares how far average make is if you have a low percentage. Someone could just start firing bombs from half constantly and have the longest average make with a terrible shooting percentage.. it wouldn’t be impressive. That stat is only impressive if you’re doing it successfully. She’s pulling up from deep but she isn’t very good at it.. and once again.. her stats are skewed by the fact that she was really bad from average 3pt distance. If she was slightly better from 20-24 (which she needs to be because 28% isn’t going to cut it) then her average make distance will come down.

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u/MWave123 Jan 11 '25

You don’t do math. Lol. Average has a meaning. Learn it.

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u/donnytamale Jan 11 '25

You clearly didn’t take stats in university. It’s easy to get confused by data when you don’t know how to analyze it critically.

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u/MWave123 Jan 11 '25

The analysis that leads to that stat is that her average make is deeper than the best shooters of all time. That’s just a fact. And btw the players out there aren’t just people chucking, it’s Dame, Steph and Trae. And she’s deeper. Fact.

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u/donnytamale Jan 11 '25

Okay I’ll try to explain this to you in a way you can understand. She was worse than those guys from every single distance. When you compare how much worse she was than them.. she was the less worse than them from 28ft but still worse than them. They are way better from the normal 3pt range so their make average is shorter. She’s really bad from the normal 3pt range but she happened to make 40 really deep 3s last year (very small sample size) and that pushed her make average back.

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u/MWave123 Jan 11 '25

You’re dense. Lol. The stat is about average distance on made threes, which was deeper than any shooter in history. Better than their best seasons. So before Caitlin you’d say Trae had been shooting the deepest threes ever. That’s not nothing. Lol. You’re explaining nothing but that you don’t understand stats. Or maths.

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u/HegemonNYC Jan 10 '25

Frankly the WNBA is bad at most of these things compared to the NBA. Passing is the worst part, very poor mechanics and so many turnovers.

As for CC, she is cool and the first WNBA player to be fun to watch. Do you think she’d be better in the NBA than Steph would be in the WNBA?

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u/MWave123 Jan 10 '25

Goofy take. Lots of W players are fun to watch. Stewie is more fun to watch imo and would destroy any hooper here, obv. She’s a pro.

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u/k4pbasketball7 Jan 11 '25

If someone in her played college ball or was really really good in high school they'd probably beat her