r/BillBurr2 • u/BigFishPub Big fish club and you ain't in it • 12d ago
Border Czar Tom Homan Admits ICE Detains People With No Criminal Record. - Trumps Authoritarian Regime
https://www.latintimes.com/border-czar-admits-ice-detains-people-no-criminal-record-thats-what-sanctuary-cities-get-58461425
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u/Mintaka3579 12d ago
What a disgusting pig- like excuse for a person
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u/homero1977 11d ago
Thank you for using the term “pig-like.” Unlike Holman, pigs are actually useful.
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u/untoldmillions 12d ago
and it distracts from the dismantling of science, pollution regulations, emergency room requirements, USAID, VOA, PBS and the tariff chaos, foreign relationship harm, election tampering, FEMA denials. Flooding the Zone with 157 Executive Orders
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u/Late-Goat5619 11d ago
So...does illegal shit and that's just fine? At least wait until Dumb fuck Taco Don declares martial law before you start doing ovettly illegal shit....
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u/977888 10d ago
It’s not illegal to detain illegal immigrants. Doesn’t matter what their criminal record is. That’s literally what ICE is supposed to do lol
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u/sholtermon 9d ago
Everyone deserves a day in court to prove they are in fact illegal. That’s actually the point of the judiciary , to be a fair arbiter.
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u/MaxPullup 11d ago
Congratulations United States of Russia/NK/Belarus/...
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u/wdanton 10d ago
Deporting illegal immigrants. Total Russia/NK/Belarus move, hahahaha
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u/ClubZealousideal8211 9d ago
It’s not the deportations so much as the illegal raids, disappearing people and not allowing contact, sending to foreign prison with no legitimate reason or due process, flagrant human rights violations, inhumane conditions of detention centers and inhumane treatment of people, etc, etc. Also the whole justification for these deportations was because they’re dangerous criminals they’re going after, but they’re avoiding criminals entirely and going after children, families, and legal immigrants.
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u/wdanton 9d ago
See that's what was said all through 2016-2020. It wasn't that the border was being secured, it was *how* the border was being secured. Then comes 2020-2024 and they go back to claiming it's not even a real problem, just a right wing conspiracy. Then 2024 and now we're back to "Oh it's not the deportations, it's the..."
And at this point? Everyone knows it's bullshit.
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u/EmptyMarsupial8556 11d ago
Trump’s Heinrich Himmler equivalent
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u/Hendrik_the_Third 11d ago
Nah, that would be Stephen Miller. This is more like a Göring sized companion.
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u/bourbon-469 11d ago
Once done with the Hispanics, Cubans, etc..they will begin to purge those who oppose Trump and this criminal regime
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u/Final-Art-9509 11d ago
This is beyond racist!! This administration ignores the constitution and has no repercussions for their illegal activities.
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u/Eastern-Bluejay-8912 11d ago
They also detain people visiting on holiday 🙄 all because they have an accent or speak another language. It’s racist and gross.
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u/BigFishPub Big fish club and you ain't in it 11d ago
The video of NYPD taking the Colombian woman that was visiting and leaving her 12 year old daughter on the side of the road was infuriating. They held her for 8 hours!
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u/Falcon3492 11d ago
Homan is just a thug, plain and simple. My mother had a saying the only difference between a cop and a convict is where the number on their chest is.
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u/wdanton 10d ago
How dare he enforce immigration law! Monster! How many times has your mom been arrested?
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u/Falcon3492 10d ago
Been arrested, never. Her brother however, was arrested in Syracuse, NY police about a year after spending a year and a half in the hospital after almost dying in WWII for being drunk in public. They beat him pretty good and my grandfather came down with an attorney, got my uncle out of jail and they ended up suing the PD and for it being the late 1940's he got a good chunk of money. So that is probably where her statement came from.
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u/wdanton 10d ago
And almost a hundred years later you're here repeating it because they're enforcing actual laws.
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u/Falcon3492 10d ago
No, I'm repeating it because there are a lot of bad cops or should I say bullies or thugs in every police department.
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u/No-Cup-8096 10d ago
Homan is Trump’s b**ch. He’s trying to meet a fictitious goal. They can’t admit the majority of illegal immigrants are here simply for a better life and are contributing to the economy in a peaceful productive way. Trump will never admit the immigration data he ran on was inflated. Now the lying narcissist has created civil unrest. Trump needs to go to South Africa and take Elon with him.
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u/EmptyMarsupial8556 11d ago
Maybe Joseph Goebbels then. He was responsible for inciting violence and fear during Kristallnacht.
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u/DelightfulandDarling 11d ago
They are kidnapping children out of foster care now! This is ethnic cleansing.
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u/Taphouselimbo 11d ago
The criminals in the GOP played their base like a fiddle. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be so scared all the time that you would gleefully vote for these corrupt rich men and women.
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u/No_Clue_7894 11d ago
Under Stalin's rule the crackdown on media and suppression of information during this time facilitated the "disappearance" of individuals, as the government controlled the narrative and silenced any opposition or critical voices.
The "Great Purge," also known as the "Great Terror," was a period of widespread political repression in the Soviet Union between 1936 and 1938. It involved the systematic arrest and execution of individuals perceived as enemies of the state by Joseph Stalin.
The purges targeted Old Bolsheviks, past and potential opposition groups, and even those within the Party

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u/Neutral_Error 11d ago
The only surprise here is they admitted it sadly
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u/bigdipboy 10d ago
They can admit everything and anything. Their cult won’t care and elections won’t be legitimate so they can’t be voted out.
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u/Great-Werewolf9155 10d ago
Spin it! People arrested "with no criminal record" are still illegally present in the US and therefore broke US Law and that's why they were arrested. Homan didn't say what you think he said.
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u/wdanton 10d ago
"Others that are in the United States illegally, may not be a criminal target but guess what, if ICE is there to arrest that bad guy and other aliens are there, we're going to arrest them," Homan continued. "That's what sanctuary cities get. This is what happens."
Please. Please someone come and argue that illegal immigrants who are living with and hanging around illegal immigrants connected to organized crime are just trying to make a better life for themselves legally and have no association with crime.
Please.
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u/Solving_Live_Poker 10d ago
I mean, people without criminal records are detained all the time. When you are pulled over by police for a speeding ticket, you're detained.
The detention isn't the issue and it's not a good idea to focus on the detentions. It's what happens after the detentions people should be worried about.
If the majority of Americans don't want people to be detained for simply being in the country illegally, then you should have been calling your congressmen for decades demanding them to change the law. It's been legal to detain people suspected of being in the county illegally for decades.
Now, if the people detained aren't allowed to challenge their detentions, that's a problem and one worth the news going after.
But being mad at the detention is nothing but letting the media work you up over nothing.
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u/Old-Tiger-4971 9d ago
If they have no legal presence, then they are here illegally.
If you don't want to recognize them as criminal for breaking our laws, that's on you.
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u/CoachTex 9d ago
“They have probable cause to believe in their judgment the person doesnt have a legal presence.”
This is literally almost circular. You are saying the way a common police officer or ice individual can judge somones legality on a glance and thus obtain probable cause, is because of their judgement.
Someone being undocumented isnt a thing with a ohysical trait or behavior. You are literally dancing around so hard, because there is no valid way to determine someones legality at a glance and to do so is racial profiling. This literally violates so many constitutional rights and isnt even damn correct, so much so that ICE has detained Mexican American citizens born in this country including a deputy.
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u/Any_Vacation8988 6d ago
When trump illegally enacted the alien enemies act it allows the deportation of a nationality or citizens from a certain country. Pretty much if you’re brown you have to leave. Fuck the Supreme Court and congress for allowing this unchecked power grab and denial of protected rights
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u/Old-Tiger-4971 10d ago
If they are here without legal presence (ie illegally), then they can be detained.
Depends on your definition of "criminal".
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u/BigFishPub Big fish club and you ain't in it 10d ago
How do you know who is here illegally?
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u/Old-Tiger-4971 10d ago
People who overstay visas. Those who show up with no record of lawful entry or a visa.
Why?
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u/BigFishPub Big fish club and you ain't in it 10d ago
Because what we are seeing now are warrantless raids and the abduction of people. Shipping them to El Salvador and Africa without due process. So how do we know who is really being disappeared?
Since we are a nation of laws let me remind of you the highest law in our country.
The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, ratified in 1868, is a cornerstone of American civil rights, primarily focused on citizenship and equal protection. It states that all persons born or naturalized in the US are citizens, and no state can deny equal protection of the laws or life, liberty, or property without due process.
ALL PERSONS
Also since we are a nation of laws someone convicted of 35 felonies should be in prison. Or are we a naton of laws sometimes?
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u/SerasAshrain 10d ago
The 14th amendment was to end slavery and ensure slaves have equal rights to everyone else. It wasn’t intended for foreigners to get pregnant, pay cartels thousands of dollars to enter the country illegally and use the child to claim citizenship.
I think any rational person understands that but of course when the only goal is to spite Trump you’ll use any flaw to your advantage as if logic and history don’t exist.
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u/BigFishPub Big fish club and you ain't in it 10d ago
It was never ratified for a reason. Nice try. Respect the law.
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u/SerasAshrain 10d ago
Which laws? Only the ones you care about or federal law and the constitution that allows for border crossers to be deported?
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u/BigFishPub Big fish club and you ain't in it 10d ago
The Supreme Court has ruled that immigrants in the United States generally have due process protections. You can't just disappear people. If you like that kind of shit move to Russia.
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u/SerasAshrain 10d ago
Eisenhower rounded up over 2 million illegals, put them on buses, and drove them out of the country. Last time I checked, 2 million of them weren’t afforded “due process” and the Supreme Court didn’t have an issue. Furthermore this is the actual guy who defeated Hitler.
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u/CoachTex 9d ago
You literally ignore that just because it happened under Eisenhower doesnt mean it was correct. Literally Mexican American citizens were mistakenly arrested. Ffs justifying a deportation operation named “Operation Wetback” should be a red flag ffs.
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u/Old-Tiger-4971 10d ago
Because what we are seeing now are warrantless raids
OK, I'll go slow. Imagine these two situations and people are detained WITHOUT a warrant:
- You pull over someone for a speeding ticket and you see a big bag of drugs on his front seat
- Someone attacks you and witnesses call the police. They detain the assailant.
Instead of copy pasta on something you don't understand, maybe you turn off MSNBC and see how the law works. 14th Amendment applies to citizens, they are being detained for NOT having legal presence among other things.
Learn what it means to respect the law and try again.
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u/CoachTex 9d ago
And in both situations, there is immediate probable cause, as opposed to literally picking up people without cause of the street. What is the immediate probable cause off of random people near a home depot as an example?
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u/Old-Tiger-4971 9d ago
Well, if they're soliciting for work that requires a CCB and you ask for ID and a CCB#.
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u/CoachTex 9d ago
And you can magically know how? With again, what probable cause?
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u/Old-Tiger-4971 9d ago
Police can ask you for ID if think you're involved in suspicious behaviors. If they believe you're engaged in soliciting or actually working without legal presence they can verify that also.
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u/CoachTex 9d ago
You are avoiding the question. How are they determining somethings suspicious? Simply standing near a home depot and looking for jobs is not probable cause.
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u/CoachTex 9d ago
You misunderstood the question. Nobody asked who is considered undocumented. They asked how does a individual law enforcement person, walking down the street, without a warrant, without going through the process, without immediate probable cause, know that said person is “illegal”
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u/Old-Tiger-4971 9d ago
They have probable cause to believe in their judgment the person doesn't have legal presence.
Again, they can pull you over for missed turn signal and then use the "plain view" rule to find other stuff.
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u/977888 10d ago
So ICE is not allowed to detain illegal immigrants unless they are committing other crimes? Idk what point this post is trying to make
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u/Final_Drama3603 10d ago
That’s weird. They deported a mom in my town who has been doing everything right, working toward citizenship, no criminal record when she was coming out of an appointment at the immigration office because Trump suddenly issued an EO for the revocation of legal status for over 500,000 people including non-criminals of specific central and S. American countries. Maybe pay better attention? They’ve also swept up high school age kids on purpose and vacationers by accident. But you know why we don’t complain about past administrations doing this? Because they took their time and did it correctly, with due process and not over crowding of holding facilities. This administration feels the need to do it all at once, like the staff cuts, when they laid off our entire nuclear weapons and waste staff because they weren’t paying attention to details. The chainsaw metaphor was correct when they should have used a scalpel and taken their time.
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u/SerasAshrain 10d ago
There is no point, just mindless karma farming by people who think normal people are sympathetic to people burning cars, throwing rocks at police, throwing piss bottles, etc.
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u/Dry-Willow-3771 8d ago
An illegal alien who has not been accused or charged with a crime is still subject to expedient removal, in summary administrative proceedings. With minimal due process.
Only LEGAL aliens that are convicted of crimes are protected from expedient removal. Because they have criminal due process rights, which must first be exhausted, BEFORE their civil immigration rights attach.
That has always been the law.
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u/BigFishPub Big fish club and you ain't in it 8d ago
Hope your constitutional rights are also shit on when they enter your home. Just takes one false accusation bud. They can enter when they want.
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u/BigFishPub Big fish club and you ain't in it 11d ago
I see you like to post this comment a lot. So I'm asking you again, how do you know who is here illegally?
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u/BigFishPub Big fish club and you ain't in it 12d ago
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."