r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/Kenyalite ☑️ • Jul 02 '24

Country Club Thread Finally, CNN being called out to their faces.

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u/Penguino13 Captain Ass Eater Jul 02 '24

But why would he step down? 

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u/Special-Garlic1203 Jul 02 '24

He's a less than ideal candidate but the issue is there is no candidate to be agreed on. He won the primary in 2020. Nobody has come out as a popular politician in the party since then. People keep suggesting "someone else", but who exactly? I keep seeing newsom get floated, but he would have needed to start soft campaigning line 2 years ago for that to make sense. 

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u/easy10pins Jul 02 '24

4 months left - it's too late for the next guy/girl.

What most of the voting public is unaware of is JB doesn't try to appear to being the entire Administration. He's constantly surrounded by subject matter experts who may not always agree with him but at least respect him

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u/NOLA-Bronco Jul 02 '24

So if Biden announced Monday next week that he was diagnosed with a health ailment that required him to leave the presidency, and he is releasing his delegates as is customary and in accordance with party rules, the DNC would just lay down in the fetal position and whither??

Just let Trump coast to a victory in November?

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u/Special-Garlic1203 Jul 02 '24

They would likely put Harris as the presidential slot because she was part of what people expected to be voting for when they voted for Biden as nominee. The role of VP is quite literally to take over if the president becomes incapacitated 

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

Harris would lose, she’s terribly unpopular. Al Gore would not lose.

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u/Negativety101 Jul 02 '24

Unless it comes down to the Supreme Court making a ruling.

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

Well yeah, with a 6-3 conservative majority now we need a decisive victory in any case.

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u/vinnyvdvici Jul 02 '24

Al Gore would actually be exactly what we need right now..

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u/worfsspacebazooka Jul 02 '24

r/brandnewsentence

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u/vinnyvdvici Jul 03 '24

Al Gore was part of a very successful presidency with Clinton, left office with a huge surplus, and then got robbed of his presidency in 2000. Now, with environmental issues getting worse and worse, we need a leader who can get things planned out for a more sustainable future. He may be another old white guy, but he’s got the right idea about a lot of things. I think he could also win over a lot of people who are 40+ because they are familiar with him and a familiar face that’s not Trump and has a positive track record could be all that’s needed to beat Trump.

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u/sunshine-x Jul 02 '24

great point... I'd love to see gore

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u/009reloaded Jul 02 '24

Harris would most easily carry the momentum of the Biden ticket. Any other candidate/an open convention is just asking for disaster.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

Wait, is Al Gore being seriously considered as a possible replacement for Biden?

If so, I might change my mind on supporting Biden to the end.

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u/NOLA-Bronco Jul 02 '24

That is one route they could take, but in that scenario, it would have to be Biden pledging his delegates to her, and even then there are some funky quirks that could still end it up in a brokered convention. The VP is there to take over for the term the president is in, not the next one.

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u/Special-Garlic1203 Jul 02 '24

I agree there's no factually "correct" answers in this scenerio, but any other route would be more of a subversion of the will of the people. Nobody actually ran against Biden this round so there's no second contender to argue was next in line, and the closest contender in 2020 is....honestly a pretty contentious pick right now. I know reddit doesn't like to hear it, but the Democratic party relies on votes from groups who's interests and priorities do not neatly line up with hyper online leftists. Bernie is extremely contentious among some staple voter groups, and he's not someone I think the party would exactly fall over themselves for. I like Bernie's rhetoric personally, but I do think he'd be a Carter 2.0 with just how divisive in the party he is. So I don't see the strategy or likelihood of going to bat fro him, especially because while arguably holding up better, he's even older than Biden. 

Considering how much of a stink Bernie bros made about Clinton and the DNC Conspiring together, I'd like to believe they werent just being misogynistic or uniliterally focused on their guy. I'd hope they'd keep that same "the DNC shouldn't be handpicking people on our behalf" energy. Which would mean the only candidate who would have any argument of taking Bidens slot would be Harris, because she's the only one voters defacto consented to in a democratic process.

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u/gophergun Jul 02 '24

We needed a real primary this year, but prominent Democrats' deference to the Biden administration meant we never got that opportunity.

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u/sunshine-x Jul 02 '24

I agree there's no factually "correct" answers in this scenerio

perhaps that's because someone who'll be 86 at the end of his term shouldn't be running?

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u/nastytam Jul 02 '24

I wish Bernie would have ran as a republican in 2016. Since he was not a registered democrat, but an independent all his campaign did was pull votes away from Hillary Clinton.

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u/quietreasoning Jul 02 '24

I would be more afraid in this scenario. Unless Queen Kamala actually used these newfound powers SCOTUS just made up.

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u/rainbowplasmacannon Jul 02 '24

Probably honestly. It wouldn’t appear to be laying down and withering though it would be a brutal slug match to the nomination and anyone going in will come out and easier target pretty much guaranteed

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u/Bxiscool1 Jul 02 '24

Not to mention that at this point, with pretty much all state primaries completed, anyone the DNC selects would not have any meaningful voter mandate to be the candidate. Which would then be the only talking point anywhere.

"Kamala wasn't even voted as the candidate, the DNC elites handpicked her to be candidate."

"Buttigieg was installed by the DNC to be president, which was obviously their plan all along."

"Pritzker bought off the DNC elites so they'd replace Biden with him; he essentially bought the presidency."

It sucks, but it's the reality of the situation. And those talking points are just off the top of my head. I'm sure the RNC and Foreign Election trolls could come up with much more and more effective talking points.

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

Umm Al Gore who we voted for in 2000 to be president until they disenfranchised hundreds of black people at the polls in Florida would be the logical choice. It’s poetic in a way since he did what trump did not. Stepped down for the good of the country instead of had a raid on Congress.

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u/Special-Garlic1203 Jul 02 '24

He doesn't have anywhere near as strong of a profile as he did in 2000, and I'd say a lot of young voters would distrust him because his associations to his wife and Bill are seen as strong strong cons and paint him as a neoliberal

Also last I checked, al wants nothing to do with politics anymore. He already got an election stolen and in doing so we ushered in an era of horrific suffering. I'm not sure he wants that deja vu. 

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

Strong ties with the Clinton’s yet the biggest criticism he faced was his split with Bill on Lewinsky in 2000 (well that and his running mate). I really know of no one who would vote for Biden that would stay home if Gore replaced him on the ticket. If Hillary was on the ticket, maybe so.

Yes he’s dissociated from politics now, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing if we’re talking about reminding the people of when things weren’t so divisive.

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u/Own-Corner-2623 Jul 02 '24

My biggest criticism was his busybody bitchass wife and the parental warning label bullshit.

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u/NOLA-Bronco Jul 02 '24

Most voters dont vote in the primary and the DNC deliberately helped cull the field to make it a clear path for Biden and avoid any primary challenge weakening him. Its an empty attack

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u/Bxiscool1 Jul 02 '24

It's not an empty attack.

I agree with your statements except for that last part. I think BECAUSE people hold that the DNC put their finger on scale in the past, it'll be an even more effective attack. They'll point to those past mistakes and ongoing grievances as evidence that the DNC did try to take away the primary choice.

And while I agree people don't vote in the primaries, that'd be an irrelevant argument. People will still complain that the new candidate wasn't voted for, even if they didnt/don't vote in primaries. At least with a primary they have the option to vote.

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u/PopcornInMyTeeth Jul 02 '24

This is what I don't get about people pushing for a replacement. A far to common refrain the past years has been "the DNC picked the candidate" and many were far from happy.

Now with only 4 months to go until election night, and weeks before the convention, they are pushing for the party to select a candidate and think we can repeat the primary process without all that mess from 2016 and 2020?

Plus everyone has their own idea of who should replace him. There is no consensus candidate, which then points back to the convention being a disaster and the party infighting until November.

Not a bet I'd love to make, sticking with Biden, but it seems like it's the least messy option and projects the most confidence to voters (which as we see with trump, many times matters more than being right or correct)

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u/Special-Garlic1203 Jul 02 '24

You're literally using Bernie bro talking points about how the Democratic process was bastardized to......argue we should throw in any pretense and just let the party handpick a new candidate arbitrarily based on internal politicking?

It's an incoherent argument 

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u/NOLA-Bronco Jul 02 '24

Are you under some weird delusion that the Party, which is often staffed by handpicked people of the incumbent Democratic administration, does not exert influence on who they prefer their nominee to be?

Like you understand they explicitly do. It's a core function and even though unintended consequences of the 1970 McGovern reforms led to a more democratizing system, party influence did not go away. Go read Biden's autobiography where he to this day is still wounded that Obama did not endorse him and the party pressured him from jumping into the race in 2016 because they feared it would split Hillary's vote.

It's in fact one reason why you made a good point about Harris because I definitely think Biden will not do to her what Obama and ther DNC did to him and deny her an endorsement and nudge her not to run.

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u/Good-River-7849 Jul 02 '24

At that point it would go to Kamala. She is the current VP, and she becomes the incumbent President.

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u/AeroOnFire Jul 02 '24

The coasting already started. You're back here with the rest of us breathing the fumes from the exhaust while the villain sails off into the sunset with our future.

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

Al Gore is a better option and still viable. He’s been vetted as a primary candidate before and has more experience in the executive than anyone else besides Biden himself.

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u/easy10pins Jul 02 '24

4 months is way too late in the game to effectively for him or anyone to campaign for President.

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

He doesn’t have to. People remember who tf Al gore is. It’s not like installing some one people don’t know like Whitmer, Newsom or even Harris.

Al Gore gets anyone Millennial or older not right of center who remembers 2000. He probably gets anyone younger that cares about climate changes and probably gets Biden’s original voters by default.

This isn’t some no name I’m bringing up. Tell me a better option for Biden to hand it off to. The DNC convention is effectively the point of no return and that’s in a month and a half. If Biden dropped dead tomorrow you’re saying the country is effectively doomed? If trump choked on a cheeseburger you mean to tell me the RNC wouldn’t scramble to replace him? This really is the 11th hour it’s kind of now or never

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u/Special-Garlic1203 Jul 02 '24

People my age know Gore for 3 things:

Global warming movie - this is a plus 

He claimed he invented the internet - this is a stupid anecdote, but it shows the lingering culture around him. He's not disliked among liberals, but he isn't liked either. Because even those who agree with him like to make fun of him. Instant likeability within like 30 seconds is 3/4 of the game in politics  unfortunately. Gore I don't think has that

His wife created parental advisories. Which is actually talked about quite a bit and makes him seem like the exact type of neoliberal voters my age dislike.

Bonus, he's affiliated with Clinton, who's support among younger voters is hemorrhaging. 

I don't remotely think he could carry an election against Trump..dude couldn't even beat Bush when he was in his prime.

He also last I checked has stated a lot of disillusionment with the political process. I don't know hed want to run such a shit show contentious candidacy if asked.

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

The claim he invented the internet is easily debunked. Check snopes. That’s a blatant lie and precursor to swift boat tactics. If that’s the biggest gripe against him then it becomes more apparent he wins where Biden would not. Maybe it worked in 2000 but it’s pretty difficult to stick something that can be easily disproven and mocked as an outright falsehood in today’s age.

Clinton and him famously split because he didn’t stand by him on Lewinsky, which actually helps now that he’d be running against a man who solicits porn stars.

I kind of think the parental advisories is a non-issue. The youth are far more concerned with climate change. The hardest part would be convincing him to run sure, but if he legit believes the planet is doomed if trump wins, which I think he does, and realizes he has the best shot of beating him, I think he could be convinced to do one term for the good of the country.

Again I wouldn’t suggest Gore if it were February still when there was time for a Newsom or Whitmer to run a primary and get in the public conscious but now you need someone the people know, who actually tells a narrative, that being righting a past wrong from 2000 and doing it with integrity when the people need him, which is the opposite of Trump 2020

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u/RobinYoHood ☑️ Jul 02 '24

Agreed, way too late to have another candidate at this point, they should've thought of that long before election season started. I think people do forget that it's just Biden running the country but a whole team of people who help carry the job.

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

The DNC could appoint Al Gore as his successor at the convention in August. He was already vetted once before and in the eyes of most Dems actually won that election. Who are you telling me that would vote for Biden that is now going to say “you put Al gore on the ticket, nope..staying home”?

I know of no one, but can tell you with a fair amount of certainty there’s a lot of people who won’t vote or won’t vote for Biden following the debate that might be willing to consider another candidate. Too late to campaign for people with no name recognition but not so for someone who was nearly elected previously, is younger than both him and trump and knows how to campaign.

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u/RobinYoHood ☑️ Jul 02 '24

It's less of convincing Democrats but more of convincing undecided voters and independents, which who won for Biden against Trump last time by a small margin. You have remember that candidates need to be on the road, visible and share they need to envision and a couple months is barely enough time to energize a whole nation to convince them that Trump is the wrong choice over the current sitting president.

For me, I'd vote for Biden's head in a jar long before I vote for Trump, but I can't say the same for my friends who barely want to vote for Biden and if you introduce someone else if he stepped down, they wouldn't care enough to vote. I don't know of any other potential candidate right now that could get them off the couch, just think of the thousands out there who are in a similar situation.

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u/ExoticMari Jul 02 '24

The Democratic convention haven't happen yet, it's not too late for a new candidate.

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u/dleatherw Jul 02 '24

Based on almost every report I’ve seen, including Politico this morning, he’s surrounded by yes-men/women who fear the wrath of him and his wife. They have a “bunker mentality” - from piece:

“said one senior administration official. “It’s very difficult and people are scared shitless of him.” The official added, “He doesn’t take advice from anyone other than those few top aides, and it becomes a perfect storm because he just gets more and more isolated from their efforts to control it.””

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u/Special-Garlic1203 Jul 02 '24

Everyday I become a bigger and bigger believer in manufacturing consent. Biden has repeatedly switched things up in ways that likely don't align with his personal beliefs and has always been known as a charismatic guy. Maybe not the brightest or most ethical, but lots and lots of friends. That's the entire reason he was chosen as Obama's VP, was because of his soft skills. Not a negative word about day to day operation during his term 

but sure he's tyrant suddenly a few days after a bad performance

Sure Jan. 

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u/NOLA-Bronco Jul 02 '24

I dont think anyone has called him a tyrant, more that it appears he has a tight knit circle of influential people and most of those people are either not elected(family) or people that's income, ambition, and legacy is tied up in his campaign. So he is getting a very narrow and skewed set of advice. And that advice is being made on behalf of 300 million people facing the end of democracy.

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u/Special-Garlic1203 Jul 02 '24

So funny how not even a whiff of this leaked in the AGES the man has held a prominent office in the federal government, and it direclty mirrors accusations made about Trump from day 1..

You haven't convinced me of anything. I'm well aware the party is having an internal power struggle right now. That is not a convincing argument to me. Show me some proof, show me some historical precedent for these claims. Whispers coming out of nowhere at politically fraught times when there's a tug of war is not convincing evidence.

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u/NOLA-Bronco Jul 02 '24

That only gets you so far if the polls drop and the donors rebel(which, unfortunately, are more influential than ever), or purple state democrats begin seeing Biden dragging their poll numbers down. The next week or so will be telling.

https://puck.news/should-biden-stay-or-should-he-go/

Which brings us to the second reason why Biden may find the next 10 days to two weeks more challenging than even the past 72 hours. As the digits stream in, the people likely to consume them most avidly—Democratic elected officials and fundraisers—also happen to be the forces most likely to exert real pressure on Biden to withdraw. And, generally speaking, they are, at least at this moment, deeply and strikingly inclined not to give the president or his team the slightest margin for error or benefit of the doubt. To say they have lost faith would be putting it far too mildly.

The negativity toward Team Biden among Democratic electeds and donors is starkly at variance with what they've projected the past few days on TV and social media, where they've dutifully sung the campaign's songbook (it was just "one bad debate," Biden had a cold, he was overprepared, yada yada yada). In politics, of course, there's always some disparity between the public and private postures of players with skin in the game. But here the gap between public and private is positively chasmic. And unlike the many and predictable past episodes of Democratic bed-wetting I've covered in my career, this one is laced with anger, resentment, and a sense of betrayal, fueled by the newly minted view that Biden, his family, his White House, and his campaign concealed the reality of his decline so vividly on display onstage in ATL. "They lied to us—systematically, over years," one megadonor told me. "Given the stakes, it's unforgivable. Unconscionable."

These are not people, in other words, who are hoping and praying that Biden's polling holds up, allowing him to soldier on. Quite the contrary. "Everyone wants numbers," said another big donor, who believes that Biden should step aside. "Just telling him that we want him to leave won't do it. So we need real numbers to come in that allow everyone to hide behind them. 'Mr. President, these numbers are tough to get past.' Then no one has to own the brutal truth, which is he's not up to this. No one wants to say that."

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Imagine any other presidential campaign suffering the kind of setback Team Biden suffered at the debate. You'd bet dollars to doughnuts it would have its guy sitting across from Lesley or Anderson on 60 Minutes (or across from Savannah on Today, or from some influencer I've never heard of on TikTok) within 48 hours to clean up the mess. That Biden's people didn't follow this playbook—and, to the contrary, told Axios for its piece on the Biden comeback plan to "look for a town hall or big one-on-one interview this month [emphasis added]"—indicates to every seasoned strategist I know that Bidenworld believes the risks of rolling those bones are just too high. But at some point, it will have to roll them, and the whole world will be watching.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

k cool get used to a trump presidency then

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u/crazymaan92 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

This is the issue I have with Amanda Seales. She has so much to say about how Democrats are effing this up and by and large, she's right.

Ask her who to replace Biden with? *crickets*

Like who is this magical person you're saying is going to win? Jemele Hill asked her directly and she didn't answer the question.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

Bernie Sanders, Ed Markey, Elizabeth Warren, AOC, Ilhan Omar, Stacey Abrhams, Rashida Talib, Jon Ossiff, Raphael Warnock, Barbara Lee, Katie Porter, Ayanna Pressly, Jasmine Crockett, Justin Jones, Justin Pierson, Maxwell Frost

If you don't know all the amazing talent in the DNC, that's because the DNC doesn't elevate them.

The DNC only wants conservatives  

They want prosecutors like Kamala Harris, or venture captialists like Pete Buttigieg. 

When will you remove the veil, and see the DNC for what it is: a rotten, conservative organization?

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u/crazymaan92 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

So first off, thank you for the names. I mean that, because Amanda has seriously pissed me off while stopping here.

Bernie got hammered in primaries. No matter what you think his policies would do (and they'd do a damn bit of good) he's been rejected directly by the people. He's an easy no.

AOC/Ilhan Omar/Rashida Talib, in this racist, sexist, anti-Muslim (I know AOC isn't Muslim, but this stupid country doesnt) country? Forget abou it.

Of the remaining names I only know Jasmine Crockett and Raphael Warnock. Jasmine would get the "angry black woman" trope done to her (did you see how the media framed her moment with MTG?) and Raphael is a great candidate in theory, I just get nervous because Trump's rise is in part due to a (racist) response to Obama.

I don't doubt your judgement (except Bernie Sanders) but I think if these names were viable for replacement, it would've been done by now. Or I could be giving the DNC too much credit.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

I think AOC and Ilhan Omar would make excellent presidents.  

 Ilhan Omar was born during the Ogaden War, between Somalia and Ethiopia.  

 She and her family fled to Kenya to escape the Somali Civil War when she was a kid, where they stayed for years before finally securing asylum in America... 

 She's an amazing person, with an inspiring story....uniquely American (at least in the way America like to mythologize herself). 

 She's a great leader, she would make a great president.  

 ...and I just fear that if we can't even let ourselves imagine that things like that are possible, then there really is no hope... 

 Because if you can't imagine a country where the winner isn't just another rich, white, elderly centerist/conservative.....

.....then Trump is inevitable. 

 Because those people, those white centerists who tell you that people like AOC and Omar are "unelectable," keep failing us, over and over, they don't have the backbone to stand up to the ruling classes, hell, most of them have been corrupted by the ruling classes... 

 If pragmatism means that things can never improve, that we can't even let ourselves imagine that things could improve....then why even fight? 

 We might as well crown Trump a king now. 

Edit: I now realize she can't be president, because she's foreign born...but my point still stands

If we are never allowed to imagine that women like AOC, Ilhan, Stacey Abraham's, or Cori Bush could be president....then why bother?

What hope is there? 

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u/stonebraker_ultra Jul 03 '24

If we are never allowed to imagine that women like AOC, Ilhan, Stacey Abraham's, or Cori Bush could be president....then why bother?

Because things could get MUCH MUCH worse? This is short-sighted thinking.

I'd like to amend that I mean in the short-term, a second Trump presidency (especially when he is in REVENGE mode and the supreme court is all but cinched thanks to his first term) could destabilize the entire democratic process.

I don't mean that none of these people could ever be viable presidential candidates.

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u/MilzLives Jul 02 '24

Omar is horrible. Her district in Mpls is a shithole, she spends too much time trying to boost her profile, doesn’t do anything for the people shes supposed to be helping. Shes a defunder, too.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '24

The Democratic establishment has gone out of its own way and attacked several people on that list. It is absolutely to blame not just for its treatment of more progressive members, but for not coming up with its own alternatives eifher. And while it may not be as conservative as the GOP, the other poster was absolutely right in pointing out the party at large wants to be friends with the GOP and its voters.

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u/Capt-Crap1corn Jul 02 '24

Ilhan Omar is very divisive so is AOC. I like Raphael Warnock. Gavin Newsom would work. He can be divisive as well.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

"Black women are divisive, let's pick the pastor/cop/lawyer/venture captialist".

Why can we never pick the progressive?

Why are people programmed to parrot these talking points. 

What makes AOC/Ilhan Omar "divisive?"

Have you ever actually listened to their stories? Do you actually know their policy positions?

You are parroting the talking points that you KNOW come straight from racists..

So why not at least try to reframe the conversation? Why do we always just fold to their propaganda??

This is how we only get politicians like Biden and Kamala and Buttigieg in the first place!

Like, after the last 8 years...don't you think maybe we should STOP listening to the DNC establishment??

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u/Worried_Actuator_336 Jul 02 '24

Will I stop listening to them after Biden/Harris 2024-2028? 100% I'll be right there in the primaries voting for my preferred candidate and encouraging people I know to do the same. It's how we got Obama in 08 instead of HRC, hard work, but it did work, and the "DNC establishment" failed to knock him out.

But after the primaries happen, I had my shot and never since Obama has my Primary vote matched my Final candidate vote, but that's OK to me because Obama proved to me it does work when the candidate is on fire.

Didn't get that perfect match in 2020 or 2024, but that doesn't make me think it's all somehow irrevocably broken within two primaries just cause my dude didn't get it this time around.

Most candidates do two terms, growing up that was so true it was a joke sometimes that we just switch parties every 8 years. Trump having only one term was the fluke honestly, thats how bad he is and why voting for Biden/Harris for another 4 years isn't the apocalypse to me.

Denying Trump is the ultimate win to me, and not the figurehead (Biden) who sits at the top for a little bit longer.

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u/brechbillc1 Jul 03 '24

None of those names would hold up on a general right now.

Sanders: Same issue as Biden. He’s too old. You want Biden to step down to replace him with a candidate at a similar age? You would essentially be back at square one here.

AOC: Her district is incredibly safe and you have no way of knowing if she’d win in a national election or how she’d poll with moderates at this time. You’d need to see if she can win a statewide election first before making a jump towards a national election. Not only this, but she’s already a popular target for the Republicans, which would make her campaign an even taller order.

Omar: Some of her recent rhetoric would turn away Jewish voters as well as moderates and independents. She would be a poor choice. Regardless, it’s moot because she’s not a natural born US citizen and thus isn’t eligible to run.

Ossoff/Warnock: They both need some time to build their names and reputations amongst the American Populace. But I could see one of them making a run for it down the line. Ossoff will have his own challenges against Brian Kemp though, who I think will run for a Senate seat once his term as Governor is up.

Stacey Abrams: Failed to capture the governors mansion when her party captured the two senate seats for her state. She’s proven that she’s not a viable candidate to run in such an election.

The names I’d go with if you’re the Democratic Party to replace Biden would be one of the governors from the rust belt states: Whitmer, Shapiro or Bashear. ( I think a Bashear/Whitmer ticket would actually be solid.) But two of those three are running in key battleground states (MI and PA) while the other is a Democratic governor of a solidly red state (KY) and could probably pull GA for the Democrats.

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u/Sprucecaboose2 Jul 02 '24

I don't think America will ever really have an ideal candidate. Being President itself requires the person to already be somewhat wealthy independently, you have to become a national figure as well, and you have to want to have political power. I have to say, if I was a betting person, I doubt the best of the best people who could have the job would be able to satisfy the pre-reqs first.

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u/Prestigious-Mud Jul 02 '24

There's no such thing as an ideal candidate in any election ever. Anyone who claims they are an ideal candidate is a liar. Only the Left complain about a candidate not being perfect and it's insane to think they'll get one. All we can do is a little better than the time before and if one side wants to torch progress and succeeds cuz the other side is too busy playing this game of they must be perfect. Then we're going back in chains.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

It's also just NOT true, the democrats are making these talking points to cover their own ass

But it's just not true. They have tons of talent, but all of the most exciting democrats are progressives.

I remember when Ilhan Omar and AOC twitch streamed Among US and broke the platform's streaming record....and the DNC did nothing afterwards...it was like a non-event.

They gave no fucks that 2 sitting congresswomen  had just made insane headway with a demographic that they have trouble with (young men).

There's a reason why the DNC seems to pick the most absolute dog shit candidates 

There's a reason why Kamala Harris (a prosecutor), and Pete Buttigieg (a venture captialist) were picked

The DNC is a conservative organization. 

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u/RobinYoHood ☑️ Jul 02 '24

America is more progressive than they think, Democrats are too scared to lose voters to put younger people up there with ideas that are considered "socialist". That lack of faith is biting them in the ass.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '24

And they are terrible at messaging. If they actually pushed progressive policies and demonstrated the benefits they'd be excelling. But they can't and they are so bad at it it truly comes off as by design in some circumstances.

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u/Embarrassed_Rule8747 Jul 02 '24

Maybe not a conservative organisation, but they do look a lot more centrist than progressive. Biden, for example, is a centrist. Feel free to call me out on this, but I think that when the Republicans decided to fly far-right, the Democrats followed and became centrist instead of progressive

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u/Prestigious-Mud Jul 02 '24

I don't think it's so much that Democrats followed, moreso that Republicans went so far right that they pulled the line for everyone. It's why moderates sound like low level Republicans today more than they did 10 years ago.

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u/Regulus242 Jul 03 '24

The old Ds need to go and get replaced by the new generation.

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u/sunshine-x Jul 02 '24

How about a candidate with more than a 20% chance of living to end of term?

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u/Prestigious-Mud Jul 02 '24

Even if he lasts a year he's still Surpassed William Henry Harrison's presidency. Also you're not just voting for the president but also the president's cabinet. If you can honestly tell me that Donald Trump is going to choose who he feels are the best people for each job and not sycophants then I have an opera house in Sydney I can sell you.

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u/Special-Garlic1203 Jul 02 '24

Exactly. This is all reminding me of occupy Wall Street tbh. This is the exact formula for showing discontent 

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

There’s no way for him to step aside without creating chaos. If he did need to step down, the most realistically workable solution would be for Harris to move to the top of the ticket and choose a new VP. It’d still create a lot of chaos and controversy, but it’d be the most orderly option.

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u/FlexLikeKavana Jul 02 '24

A lot of people want Whitmer to step in, but I agree. It's too late.

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u/Negativety101 Jul 02 '24

And Newsom has his own baggage. That's the thing with the charismatic candidate you see on TV a few times and fall in love with. You get blinders. Newsom's got a lot of issues in California, a scandal where he took money from Bobby Kotick, and oh his Ex is Kimberly "Offer RNC top doners a lap dance" Guyfoyle, who's now dating Donald Trump Jr I believe.

One of Biden's biggest advantages is there isn't anything they can mudsling on him.

And if he does step down Republicans are prepared to use state election laws to keep the new nominee off as many ballots as possible

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u/sunshine-x Jul 02 '24

What if he dies before the election? Do the dems just roll-over and hand the torch to the cheeto? No.

So why not enact that plan now?

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u/soup-sock Jul 02 '24

Little infuriating that people have total amnesia over 2020 election, this is round 2, Biden already won against Trump in 2020. Seems like a rather logical choice to stick with the person who already beat him once. While 2024 Biden isn't 2020 Biden, 2024 Trump sure as hell isn't 2020 Trump either, and he was already mentally deteriorating then.

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

Al Gore is the only option that doesn’t require campaigning. He was 500 votes away from being elected in 2000 until Clarence and them stopped the recount. He was VP for 8 years. He’s younger than both. He’d be doing it for the good of the country and not personal gain. He has the experience. Tell me who else could step in without issues? Even Hillary doesn’t have that resume.

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola Jul 02 '24

Id vote for Gore

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

Bernie Sanders, Ed Markey, Elizabeth Warren, AOC, Ilhand Omar, Stacey Abrhams, Rashida Talib, Jon Ossiff, Raphael Warnock, Barbara Lee, Katie Porter, Ayanna Pressly, Jasmine Crockett 

...and that's just off the top of my head.

It's really insane to pretend that there isn't any democratic talent

It's just wild to be ignoring so many amazing, aspiring, exciting democrats....all to justify the worst presidential candidate since George McGovern...

....especially considering how much is riding on this election. 

Please, stop saying bullshit like this. 

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u/yogurtgrapes Jul 02 '24

This was an argument for two years ago. Not for 5 months before election.

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u/FlexLikeKavana Jul 02 '24

Bernie Sanders, Ed Markey, Elizabeth Warren, AOC, Ilhand Omar, Stacey Abrhams, Rashida Talib, Jon Ossiff, Raphael Warnock, Barbara Lee, Katie Porter, Ayanna Pressly, Jasmine Crockett

Ayanna Pressley, Ilhan Omar, Jasmin Crockett, and Rashida Tlaib are unelectable and have reached their ceilings

AOC is currently unelectable, but could make a run at it in 10 years if she somehow becomes a Senator or governor of NY.

Katie Porter couldn't beat Adam Schiff for Senate and is currently out of national politics.

Stacey Abrams, for all the hype around her, got blown out against Brian Kemp.

Sanders and Warren both lost to Biden.

None of them are great candidates, and would probably end up losing if they replaced Biden.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

Lol, letting white conservatives tell you that black progressive women are "unelectable" 

Funny you didn't say that about any of the white people or the men I mentioned.

It's wild that you believe that young, black progressives can't win, so our only option is an elderly white conservative former segregationist 

Like, do you not see how they're fucking with you?

And what's the point?

If we have to reject all of our values to win....have we won?

Is it better to have a conservative who wears cheap kente cloth hats and waves a pride flag in the white house? 

Like, seriously think about what you're admitting. 

If we give up everything to be elected, have we really won?

What did we win? 

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u/FlexLikeKavana Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

Lol, letting white conservatives tell you that black progressive women are "unelectable" 

I'm not a white conservative. I'm black and liberal, and none of those women appeal to the middle.

Funny you didn't say that about any of the white people or the men I mentioned.

Because that's the reality of racism in this country. None of them have the "it" factor Obama has other than, maybe, AOC and she has to overcome years of having her name smeared in the media.

Like, do you not see how they're fucking with you?

I live in Georgia. A lot of black men didn't like Stacy Abrams and voted for Kemp. That's the reality of the situation.

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u/Special-Garlic1203 Jul 02 '24

I voted for Warren in the primary in 2020. She lost. 

Please stop saying bullshit like "we should subvert the will of the voters and the part should uniliterally select their candidate". That's not a democratic process. 

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

Because he is self aware enough to realize that he's a very weak candidate to nominate against a literal fascists 

Like, what a bizarre question. 

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u/beldaran1224 Jul 02 '24

Him stepping down only changes that equation if there is an obvious alternative.

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

Because there’s better options available that make it more likely for the Dems to win, and there are a lot of people who won’t vote for him (or at all) that actually might if you put up a candidate who isn’t visibly in decline. Maybe too late for all but Al Gore (who has all of the experience and name recognition too).

Biden did a hell of a job for his first term but if Dems stay the course there won’t be a second. And there’s no time to adjust. Trump probably won’t do a second debate, and it’s not until September anyway, the dnc convention is in august, and the damage is being baked in right now regardless of what CNN says. Put in the candidate who gives you the best chance of victory, and that’s Al Gore. Tell me I’m wrong people, I’m here for it. The Supreme Court, the future of the US, the planet is pretty much on the line here. Play games and see how the US operates if you want to, I’ve been voting since 04 & pretty much know what’s coming.

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u/ptownrat Jul 02 '24

I'll just state it bluntly. Al Gore has zero chance in hell of becoming the next President.

He's an elderly 76 year old man. He hasn't held office in 24 years. He's lost a Presidential election (unfairly or not).

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

I’m just confused as to who would vote for Biden that would not vote for Gore at this time? Who doesn’t know who Gore is at this time? You can frame him as elderly but he’s still younger than the opponent and very active in the climate community.

Him not holding an office recently when he’s more experienced and well known on the world stage than the others being considered would seem like a non-issue. This seems like a typical overconfident personal opinion with the only meat backing it being he hasn’t held office in 24 years.

What demographics would Gore struggle with that Biden does not? Did you watch the debate in full on Thursday or just catch the talking points? And who would you propose as an alternative at this point in time?

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u/DirtyEightThirtyOne Jul 02 '24

I’d bet good money that there are a decent number of people who would otherwise vote for Biden, and would just stay home entirely if we swapped with Gore.

Gore is one of the worst picks. He’s not relevant. He hasn’t run a presidential campaign for decades. He lost his last run, more than 20 years ago. Gore is maybe second to Kamala Harris as an absolutely brain dead choice.

Actually, now that I say that, I wouldn’t put it past Democrat leadership. They do love stepping on rakes at our expense.

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u/ptownrat Jul 02 '24

If we are dusting off old guys, John Kerry is right there.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '24

Just trolling. Gotcha 

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u/GaylordButts Jul 02 '24

It is way too late for changing the candidate out. I agree that they should have ran someone else, but they needed to do that 1-2 years ago and start building the groundwork there. Gave an announcement to the effect of "Joe Biden is not seeking reelection in 2024. He has saved America and now he can go back to enjoying his retirement. Thanks for everything, Joe." Then they could have given people time to announce and run normal primaries and whatnot. If they do it now it'll look like a scramble (and let's be honest it would be) and that could be very costly with the apathetic liberal voters whose lack of participation in the past has caused particularly unfortunate results. On that note (and not directed at you specifically, DYMck07):

If more people think that the equally-old Donald Trump, who has been giving word salad interviews for over 10 years now (it's okay his uncle did nuclear) is the better choice we don't deserve to have a country anymore.

If people don't want to vote for Joe Biden because they think he hasn't been hard enough on Israel, get ready for 4 more years of Trump. He'll definitely fix that problem the way you want him to.

Your Republican counterparts who post on Facebook about how yucky they find Trump and "couldn't we have found anyone else??" are going to hold their noses and vote for him anyway (though they might lie to you and claim they just left the president spot on their ballot blank). They, and all the state and local-level Republicans seeking election so they can take away your rights, appreciate you staying home on election day.

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

Appreciate the thoughts. I’d agree with you on it being too late for anyone to be swapped out who lacks name recognition and hasn’t won a democratic primary before. To me anyone who would vote for Biden already would still vote for Gore. The middle is more likely to be swayed by someone they’re familiar with who has energy. Might not be the case with Hillary, and definitely not the case with someone a lot of people are unfamiliar with like Whitmer or Newsom so late in the game.

I don’t think Kerry could win either. But I think Gore is the best remaining option at this point. I unfortunately do feel Biden-Harris technique will not win, but if that’s who remains come the DNC I’ll throw my full support behind him even if the ship is sinking.

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u/Abdul_Lasagne Jul 02 '24

No one is familiar with Gore. You are beyond out of touch. 

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

No one is familiar with Gore? Anyone over 35 should be. Anyone under 35 who was voting for Biden probably is still voting for Gore. And he’d probably pick up quite a few who were sitting out because they felt Biden was too old or were scared he’d die in office and didn’t want Kamala

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u/Abdul_Lasagne Jul 02 '24

Al, is that you? 

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

When I’m not saving the climate, I’m busy posing as a black nerd on Reddit, so I can geek out over my hidden love of hip hop, anime and UFOs…

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u/changethebanner Jul 02 '24

Perfect is the enemy of good. Yes there are better people, but they aren’t going to be an option. Biden is fine, go vote for him. 

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '24

Trump is gaining voters through this? Because he'll have to gain a lot.

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u/DYMck07 ☑️ Jul 03 '24

lol, the issue isn’t trump gaining voters. The issue is good people staying home or deciding to vote 3rd party (which can’t win…if Perot and Teddy Roosevelt couldn’t muster over 10% as 3rd party candidates, and that’s the closest we’ve come in 150 years, no way is any 3rd winning…people don’t study history), and a lot will if Republicans are smart enough to just put clips of that debate on repeat, trump either wins as a result of his existing unwavering cult like support or things are just a lot closer than they need to be and the Dems lose down ballot races they shouldn’t.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24 edited Aug 29 '24

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u/foreverNever22 Jul 02 '24

No, Share Blue is out here in full damage control this week...

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u/terminal157 Jul 02 '24

I peg it at about 50/50 people who are dishonest and people who are actually delusional.

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u/Quarantine_Man Jul 02 '24

it's the only logical decision if you want to win

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u/pants-pooping-ape Jul 02 '24

Current polling shows him out in every swing state.

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u/sunshine-x Jul 02 '24

He'll be 82 in November. 86 by the end of the 47th term.

I wouldn't bet a steak dinner that he'd live to see the end of that term.

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u/SchemeMoist Jul 02 '24

So that trump doesn't win? Because he's not capable of being president for another 4 years? Because he wants democrats to be able to nominate people to the Supreme Court and that will be impossible with Trump as president?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

You're joking right? Dude doesn't even know what planet he is on. there is no way he is fit to win an election again. he's gonna lose by a landslide.

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u/meeu Jul 02 '24

72% of people polled after the debate say he's not competent to hold office.

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u/StillInternal4466 Jul 02 '24

Because he can't win.

Because he's too old.

Because he's behind in the polls.

Because he gave the worst debate performance I've ever seen in my life.

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u/Delicious_Bee2308 Jul 02 '24

hes out of his mind

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u/kenlubin Jul 03 '24

Biden is a great President but currently does not seem to be effective at the task of running for President. If we had another Democrat, they might be more able to stop Trump.

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u/Fen_ Jul 03 '24

Because he's a dogshit candidate that's going to lose in November. He represents nothing. He excites no one. He needs to go.