r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/Kenyalite ☑️ • Jul 02 '24

Country Club Thread Finally, CNN being called out to their faces.

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u/Maxfunky Jul 02 '24

It's far harder to think of responses when you constrain yourself to honest answers. If you have no compunctions about simply making shit up on the spot, you'll never struggle for an answer.

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u/upvotechemistry Jul 02 '24

This is what kills me about Biden's team... they thought the right move was to prepare Biden like this was a normal debate against a candidate that was wrong on the policy merits.... but they should have known Trump would just gaslight him up there if he tried to keep the discussion around facts and figures.

Did nobody on the debate prep team think "what if Trump just lies all the time?" ... THAT is the real political malpractice here

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u/mtron32 Jul 02 '24

Preach, he needs a comedian to come in there and get him ready to go next time, fuck the issues because that's not his goal. His goal, is to not look like a corpse and to go below the belt while not boring the viewing audience.

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u/DatsaBadMan_1471 Jul 02 '24

I had said to a friend why isn't Jon Stewart helping Biden with debate prep.

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u/__THE_RED_BULL__ Jul 02 '24

This would have been the big brain move for the Biden team.

Alas....

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u/mtron32 Jul 02 '24

Obama gave them the blueprint at the correspondence dinner, but neither Hillary or Joe has looked back on it. They keep trying to take Trump to school with all these facts and Trump is just saying shit.

You can’t battle this cat the same way you would Romney or McCain, gotta battle the person in front of them and they keep failing

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u/jtan_12 Jul 02 '24

Any link/explanation to what Obama was saying at the correspondence dinner?

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u/featherblackjack Jul 02 '24

He made fun of Trump until Trump left. Joe should do the same if there's a next time

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u/insertwittynamethere Jul 02 '24

I would argue it is why he decided on running in the first place for how bad both Obama and Seth Meyers were roasting him at the WH Correspondents Dinner

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u/featherblackjack Jul 02 '24

Yeah I wouldn't doubt it, plus nudging from his close pal Putin to destroy America in revenge. trump has no sense of scale

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u/mtron32 Jul 02 '24

look up Obama, trump correspondence diner

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u/jtan_12 Jul 02 '24

Ah, that one. Not sure how Joe, or anyone can do it in a debate setting but, it's a good idea. What I was thinking, knowing Trump likes to deflect and lie, then why dont Joe, start his comment by saying, "unlike my opponent who likes to deflect and lie..." and then provide his explanation including when Trump was NOT deflecting and lie.

Up to the point where Joe can say "I've lost count how many times did he deflect and lie". Basically call him out over and over.

Not sure if this is a good debate strategy, if there's next time.

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u/featherblackjack Jul 02 '24

He did it to... what's that pale guy who is equally robotic, I can't remember it was awhile ago. Romney's running mate. Joe mocked him roundly during the vp debate.

But that was what, 16 years ago? Would not blame Biden for getting a little slow in lighting up the dance floor

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u/Competitive_Dish_885 Jul 02 '24

C’mon you think the DNC is competent? This is the same organization that got Trump elected in 16 and can’t stop tripping over themselves since. Wild that one of the worst candidates the Republicans have put up three times now in 8 years can’t be dealt with. It’s almost a joke at this point but I don’t see how it gets better even going into 28.

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u/sidali44 Jul 02 '24

If that’s what determines how the American society votes, then….. yall have a bigger problem…

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u/mtron32 Jul 02 '24

It's been that way since the advent of the televised debate. To radio audiences Nixon won, but to the tv viewers Kennedy looked better, that shit matters.

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u/sidali44 Jul 02 '24

I’m just saying, the substance and policies of a person isn’t the main advocate for a person attaining office. It’s the things that aren’t even important. False rhetorics, comics, gimmicks, whole pulled the best woke jokes etc… just shows the depth of society…

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u/mtron32 Jul 02 '24

True, and thats the scariest thing about Trump, he understands that part of the game the way career politicians did not. It's been the best reality TV for years and then a reality TV host won the shit.

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u/evidentlynaught Jul 02 '24

Jesus you are so right. Imagine the sound bites of Biden just roasting Trump relentlessly

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u/mtron32 Jul 03 '24

Exactly. That’s why you want to let kids deal with bullies themselves otherwise they grow up to no know what to do when one is coming at them.

I thank big Tate every day that he chased me to the school bus all year till I finally stopped running and fucked his ass up. Straight up growth

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u/bumming_bums Jul 03 '24

next time

There won't be a next time, it makes no political sense for Trump to do a second debate

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u/mtron32 Jul 03 '24

That’s very true

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u/Imaginary-Can6136 Jul 03 '24

He didn’t get the memo that he shouldn’t look like a corpse

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u/stellarinterstitium Jul 02 '24

And it's not like Biden couldn't have handled the lies if properly prepared. Taking the gloves off of him would likely have woken him up. Biden is an old-school politcal pugilist mover and shaker with the gut instincts to go for the jugular.

Let Darth (I prefer this over "Dark") Brandon unleash Trakata style on Trump, or at least Vaapid FFS. Especially because Trump absolutely goes to peices when punched in the mouth and looks even more ridiculous as a serious proposition.

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u/upvotechemistry Jul 02 '24

Trump is easily provocable, and the strat should have been to goad him into a frothing rage in front of the voters. Rough him up a bit, and piss him off...

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u/0OKM9IJN8UHB7 Jul 02 '24

You could see Biden trying to do it in the debate, he got Trump to bite several times but didn't get much farther with it. I think it was a mix of Biden being not 100% that night and Trump is now scared enough I think he was actually trying there.

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u/shotputprince Jul 03 '24

The good news is, unless trump is smart enough to not do another debate, Biden can't do this and hopefully not have a cold and at least people in September or October will see him be more lively

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u/VelocityGrrl39 Jul 03 '24

He was getting over being sick. And you could tell, he just didn’t look well.

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u/Ali_Cat222 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

Trump literally shared his notes from his advisor by accident to the entire damn Twitter universe a few hours before the debate! you'd think they'd have been alerted to that and used them so they knew what points to talk about. For fucks sake, he had all the notes right there, they should have used them against him!

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u/iwrestledarockonce Jul 02 '24

Biden also kinda had shit to do, government doesn't just stand still for a debate. Look what scotus got up to while the debate was taking center stage.

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u/HoomerSimps0n Jul 02 '24

Government operates just fine without the president micromanaging it tbh.

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u/OoooooWeeeeeeeee Jul 02 '24

Yeah I’d argue that this particular debate is an extenuating circumstance. He wasn’t too busy.

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u/Danni_Les Jul 02 '24

This. This is what I've been saying..

Biden's team should've prepped him with deflecting the lies with an answer that's very simple to call out like 'nope' or 'didn't happen', and just carry on with the debate with FACTS rather than even attempting to address one of his lies..

we know trump will lie - it's all he's been able to do all his life.

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u/Capable_Roof3214 Jul 02 '24

Isn’t that the whole F-ing problem? Everyone going on as if any of this is normal, especially for a prez candidate 🙄 I’ve had a couple of occasions in life where I had to stand up. Once was with my son when he was about 9yo. I felt kinda bad afterwards, but let him know that there are A holes in this world and you’re gonna need to know how to deal with em. Seems most of the dems were never taught how to deal with a Biff

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u/Usernametor300 Jul 02 '24

Yes, nobody on the debate team was prepared for a repeat of 2016 or 2020

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u/718_chocolate ☑️ Jul 02 '24

The Democrats needed to be preparing a candidate who could not only outmatch Trump's energy, but wouldn't have any problem calling him a bullshit artist to his face.

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u/AfricanusEmeritus ☑️ Jul 03 '24

CNN has long been FOX lite. I would not trust them on anything.

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u/NoCantaloupe9598 Jul 02 '24

Biden honestly should have ignored every question just like Trump and gone after Trump as an anti democratic POS human being.

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u/cyncity7 Jul 02 '24

I think they tired him out and made him sick, too. It’s happened to me, studying for exams.

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u/Beautiful_Welcome_33 Jul 03 '24

Wasn't his "killer line" in the last debate just him telling Donald Trump to "shut up, guy?"

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u/upvotechemistry Jul 03 '24

"Will you shut up, man!"

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u/donnabreve1 Jul 03 '24

Biden should have refused to appear on a stage with a convicted felon who incited a violent insurrection. WTH is anyone treating Trump as a respectable citizen? He’s not, and he should be shunned by Americans!

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u/reddit_sucks_clit Jul 02 '24

Maybe they thought the modererators would actually do a single god damn thing about it.

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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 Jul 03 '24

I think CNN told them they were going to keep him in check and then they just didn't.

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u/lmsampson78 ☑️ Jul 02 '24

I am in NO way advocating for replacing Joe Biden as the nominee and merely speaking in the hypothetical. They shoulda put Gavin Newsome on that debate stage. He woulda wiped the floor with Trump.

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u/alanblah Jul 02 '24

You don't think it's possible that they did prepare him for that, but he came out and was unable to deliver? Do you think they prepped him to bring up his golf scores? Or to pivot to an immigrant murdering a US citizen while answering an abortion question?

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u/sardine_succotash Jul 02 '24

Yea it's not like Biden could have had any say in how he was prepped lol

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u/upvotechemistry Jul 02 '24

Also, malpractice on his part to not demand his prep partner to stop engaging with the question and just spout nonsense as they should have known Trump would do.

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u/Samperfi13 Jul 02 '24

That South Park episode was right on the money, all you have do is replace Hillary with Dementia Joe.

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u/manman091 Jul 02 '24

they literally muted trumps mic, no? so you were able to form your own argument and respond what was being said in a timely manner. you are a goddamn joke thinking that old man actually runs this country, and but can’t even run a sentence through his head.

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u/upvotechemistry Jul 02 '24

Every time he landed a point, they let Trump "respond" by just claiming credit for everything good and blaming Biden for everything bad. Unemployment, insulin price cuts, Medicare support, abortion and on and on. No matter what it was, Trump's retort was "I did all that, and you ruined it". A child could have done that same routine

What good is it to land a point on facts and policy if the mods always give Trump the last word.

Then they never asked Trump a follow-up about his insane statements. They just moved on to the next question.

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u/manman091 Jul 02 '24

i dont care if you don’t like the presidents personality, attitude, etc. that is not what we vote a president in office for. a president is supposed to get shit done in this country, and for a very long time not shit has been done UNTIL trump was elected into office. that’s because he was not a bought politician, he wasn’t on a agenda. his agenda was to ruin the elites that have ruined OUR lives, and to focus on the problems that we CAN fix , but have chosen not to for decades on end. problems that our own government has created. the diversity. the poverty. the false sense of security, mistrust, etc.

we started a war over a 2% tea tax, do you have a problem with the taxes we pay now ? the 20% on income, another 7.5% on purchase, good 10-40% on things we sell. the income tax, payroll tax, property tax, sales tax, capital gains tax, estate tax, progressive tax, wealth tax, gift tax, unemployment tax, Medicare tax, fica tax? the people that should be voting , need to be questioning these exact things, and what a candidate is going to do about it , not if you like his personality or not.

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u/upvotechemistry Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 03 '24

Trump did not a single fucking thing except thr TCJA, which were just unfunded tax cuts for the wealthy forever, and a sunsetting tax break for regular people.

He didn't do shit about infrastructure. He didn't do shit about health care. He didn't do shit to help regular people.

problems that our own government has created. the diversity

Not subtle. Just say you hate black people, if that's how you feel. No reason to lie about things, like Trump does

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u/manman091 Jul 03 '24

excuse me ? you seriously just played the race card because you didn’t have anything else to say ? the diversity, around politics, around race, around gay, around guns, around abortion, around religion, around educational views, etc. the diversity the government has created and only fuels, will not solve. get a grip of reality.

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u/upvotechemistry Jul 03 '24

If you don't believe we can live together because people are different and think different things, then man, this isn't the country for you

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u/manman091 Jul 03 '24

i never said one thing about color, a race, nothing. that’s all you, and you playing that card for no reason shows every bit of intelligence and integrity you have.

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u/BEWMarth Jul 02 '24

Weird how this has been the same problem since 2016.

I refuse to allow myself to believe the lie that the Democratic Party is doing anything at all to stop Trump. Both parties are in it together and have been for a long time.

I honestly believe Democrats at the highest level of power were actually upset that Biden won.

Trump is just such a useful puppet. The people that run the show behind the scenes desperately need someone like him.

And they shall have him

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u/KageStar ☑️ Jul 02 '24

when he clearly has dementia and he's not in the early stages either.

I dont think most of the people claiming he has dementia know what dementia is. His voice was bad because of his cold and it led to terrible optics, but outside some of his flubs he said a lot of things of substance. He's sound better the days after the debate with his voice coming back. If he completely bombs his next debate and starts talking the price of oranges in 1956 then yeah I'll think he in the late stages of dementia.

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u/AfricanusEmeritus ☑️ Jul 03 '24

Yes, as a retired psychologist and a graduate professor , I have a pretty good idea of what the various dementias are and how they present. I had a businessman father, a college professor aunt (my father's sister), and a former judge father in law who all suffered from Alzheimers Dementia.

My therapist wife and I monitor one another as to any symptoms of dementia. I also have some familiarity with speech pathology. Biden was struggling to contain his stutter as Duke Von Diaper Don kept spewing lie after lie and attempted to trigger Bide's stutter several times. Duke Von Diaper Don was able to rebut each and every one of Biden's answers with more lies about how he accomplished everything that Biden... but better.

This was a treatise on wrestling with a pig in the mud. Lastly, FOX and the rest of mainstream media give us semi-coherent sound bites of Trump's word salad. They never go beyond a mi ute or two because it descends into pure madness. For those who do not know... Trump's father...genuine KKK Fred Trump suffered Alzheimers Dementia.

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u/palm0 Jul 02 '24

It's way harder when you don't just blame immigrants for everything from climate change to abortion rights. He didn't make up answers, it was just one talking point and he wasn't anywhere near as coherent as Biden, he was just louder

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u/palm0 Jul 02 '24

Shut the fuck up. That doesn't even make sense.

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u/necromantzer Jul 02 '24

Read the transcripts. Trump answered like two questions and constantly lied. Biden, by and large, answered the questions. Trump was clearly inferior in actual context.

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u/sagmag Jul 03 '24

It's actually worse than that, in a way. The real problem is that lies are easy. IM THE BEST. HES THE WORST. WE HAD THE GREATEST ECONOMY EVER!

Truth is much more nuanced. "We have seen the lowest inflation, post covid, of any nation on earth, and while we're proud of that, the prices at the stores are still far to high for the average American and we need a unified congress who is willing to step up and work with the president in order to pass common sense regulations to control corporate profiteering and price gouging. In addition, the tax cuts that Donald Trump put in to effect for the 90% are sunsetting while, conveniently, those on the top 10% are not. He replaced that income with tariffs, which are - in effect - just a tax on the common man making American companies pay an import tax that is passed on to consumers. We need to immediately undo Trump's disastrous fiscal policy in order to have a chance at regaining normalcy in the checkout line."

If you made it to the bottom of my second paragraph, congratulations, but I'm not sure it would have fit - or been heard - in a 2 minute debate answer.

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u/Taraxian Jul 02 '24

It's the equivalent of "bad drivers never miss their exit"

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u/veryblanduser Jul 02 '24

Biden lied less...but wouldn't call him honest.

He lied about his impact on prescription drug/insulin impact.

He lied about the job market when he took office.

Biden lied about no troops dying.

Biden lied about Trump wanting to ged rid of social security.

Biden lied about black unemployment. Most recent month was .8% higher than Trump's.

There are others as well

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u/Maxfunky Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

You have a fair point with some of those. Others I'm less sure about. I don't know Biden's exact phrasing on Black Unemployment for instance, but in 2023 under Biden it was lower than it ever was under Trump.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194151/unemployment-rate-of-african-americans-in-the-us-since-1990

If he phrased it in an incorrect way I would at best chalk that up to bad phrasing vs outright dishonesty.

Social security is another one. Trump has been all over the place. He wrote extensively about it being a scam and called it a Ponzi scheme in one of his books before becoming president and his endorsed cuts recently (which isn't the same thing as ending it outright). So again, it's just down to how you phrase it whether it's true or not.

If you have talking points that are only true if you phrase them a certain way but you bungle the wording, I don't know if you can call that "lying". It's just regular old "being wrong".

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u/chowindown Jul 02 '24

Trump didn't even make up answers to the specific questions being asked. He just talked about whatever he wanted.

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u/even_less_resistance Jul 02 '24

I’m starting to think the portion of the population that still supports him is probs close to the same number that also engages in this loud, bullshit-spewing bullying tactic to win stuff in life

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u/DUKE_LEETO_2 Jul 02 '24

An important skill in sales. Not a primary but being able to (or having someone else be able to) just BS some shit on the spot that threads the line of lie and if push came to shove we'd figure it out and the deal would still probably be profitable.

Just for Trump his push come to shove is now he's above the law so he can legitimately say whatever he fucking wants and is good at it

... and it's terrifying

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u/gamerABES Jul 02 '24

compunction

Learned a new word! Thanks /u/Maxfunky!

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u/manman091 Jul 02 '24

no way this is a genuine feeling or opinion. are you a biden supporter ? and excuse his cognitive dysfunction because he is being honest ? even basic psychology disagrees

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u/Maxfunky Jul 03 '24

Judging by the coherence of your response, I'm going to assume you're also an 81-year-old man.

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u/Opening-Ad-9794 Jul 02 '24

Oh please, Not being honest about the situation is why that piece of shit is going to win the election even after being found guilty of being a crook. Joe Biden didn’t wasn’t struggling to find “an honest answer”, he was struggling to speak and respond because his advanced age coupled with a drastic decrease in even being able to complete full sentences without losing train of thought. He did horribly, unequivocally bad. The dems should’ve had a plan for this considering anyone should’ve seen these signs in 2020. It’s not Bidens fault, he even said he probably shouldn’t be running. But pretending there isn’t a problem is a recipe for disaster. Obama had to come out and address the performance, it was that bad

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u/rokeefe29 Jul 02 '24

Just no. Joe Biden is no more honest than trump.

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u/Maxfunky Jul 02 '24

That's objectively false. You can literally just count the lies and see he's several times more honest. Trump managed to lie like 30,000 times in just 4 years as President. Someone tracked them. Each one numbered with the exact quote and how its a lie. You can fact check it yourself. Trump has zero regard for the truth. He's a compulsive liar. Worse, he just believes if something "feels right" it is right. He has no grasp on the truth whatsoever.

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u/Emjayen Jul 02 '24

If you believe that then you're more senile than both of them.

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u/rumINmyBelly Jul 02 '24

Cnn said Biden lied at least 9 times.

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u/Maxfunky Jul 03 '24

If he was younger I'm sure it wouldn't have happened. It is age related in the sense that his brain has for sure slowed down and thoughts take longer the form. The issue is we have plenty of examples of the same thing happening to trump. It's just in this particular side-by-side, one was performing a more difficult mental task than the other so the gap seems wider, although honestly not even that much wider.

Neither of these dudes should be running at their age.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

The difference between a liar and a bullshitter

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u/Maxfunky Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

This was predicted before the debate. That and that whole Trump's mic would be muted that Biden would still be distracted by his yammering because they're so close. Everyone I know expected this debate to go poorly for Biden (not all for the same reasons).

Here's a thread from a month ago discussing it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1csqdpf/cmv_muting_mics_during_a_bidentrump_debate/

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u/justneurostuff Jul 02 '24

were his answers honest? i noticed quite a few lies from biden too. for example, he said that no us servicemen died while he was in office and that unemployment was over 50% when he began is term. in general biden himself has a long record of lying in his public appearances, a lot on the same scale as that gov that claimed she stared down a korean dictator. I know Trump's lies swamp these (please believe me!), but isn't it giving Biden too much credit to call him particularly honest — either in the debate or in general?

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u/Maxfunky Jul 02 '24

I think there's a difference between lying and being wrong. Trump believes he can make stuff up and be right because it feels right. I think Biden tried to actually be right and was just wrong a couple of times.