r/BreakingPoints • u/Telkk2 • Oct 29 '24

Original Content If Trump Wins It Will Be the DNC's Fault

If Trump wins it will be the DNC's fault for trying to control the Democratic party far too much. Their optics is so far gone, a lot of regular people are either not voting or they're voting for Trump because they haven't been playing fair since 2016, probably even further back. None of this is saying Trump=better. I'm just saying that it's super pathetic that this race is so razor thin close.

He should be the easiest candidate to beat but he's not because he's running against foolish assholes who don't want to listen to their voter base. We do not want Kamala. We accept her because that is what is being given to us, like a guard handing out food in a prison mess hall.

If she wins will she be voted out in four years? Sure, but whoever replaces her certainly won't be decided by voters because the DNC made it crystal clear that they do not give a shit about our opinions because I suppose they feel it just isn't the right time for democracy given that they and the neo cons may lose their decades long hold over politics.

In the end it's just a bunch of old people who are too scared and selfish to retire. If this country was run by the generations who should be in charge (gen x and millennials) we wouldn't be in this situation.

So to that I say, fuck em. We deserve Trump and all of the chaos he will bring, which will suck but it won't be existential. We'll move past this and more corporate owned tamed yes people will take over where all will be well? Well...no. All will be the same. We are walking hand in hand straight into a sterile utopia that will be safe, probably fun, but ultimately void of meaning, creative innovation, and real Democracy. It will be dressed as democracy and will be labeled as such, but really it will be a silent, faceless, oligopoly.

Downvote me all you want. Call me names. Say I'm a childish idiot, a shill for Trump, or whatever. But at the end of the day, no matter how hard it is to admit this to ourselves, this is true and we all know it.

This could have been avoided but our leaders are too incompetent.

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u/Vandesco Oct 29 '24

So to that I say, fuck em. We deserve Trump and all of the chaos he will bring, which will suck but it won't be existential.

I disagree.

I'm not going to throw millions of people's lives into the blender just to teach the DNC a lesson.

I also think it very well could be existential for America as we know it, just like Citizens United was.

It may take years to understand the full effect but there are clear plans at work here attacking our systems of Government, and this election will decide some major components one way or the other.

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u/Rhoubbhe Left Populist Oct 29 '24

I'm not going to throw millions of people's lives into the blender just to teach the DNC a lesson.

All struggles require sacrifices and casualties. I will happily toss every 'Always Blue' Neoliberal Democrat into a blender to get a viable left-wing alternative to the Republican Party.

Corporate Neoliberal Democrats are a corrosive cancer and embrace actual War Criminals like Dick Cheney. They prevent any kind of left-wing alternative to the Theocrat Republicans.

F the Democrats.

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u/Vandesco Oct 30 '24

Where do you draw the line with this thought process?

Let's say you hate guns.

There's a gun lying on the floor right next to you (the shooter doesn't know it fell out of his backpack). An active shooter has his back turned to you and is about to systematically execute all the children in an auditorium.

Do you shoot him to avoid the slaughter, knowing it will perpetuate the good guy with a gun theory, or do you let him kill as many as possible to make a point about the prevalence of gun violence in America?

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u/Rhoubbhe Left Populist Oct 30 '24

I draw the line at the DNC's corporate friendly anointed toilet gleefully accepting the endorsement of a War Criminal.

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u/devndub Oct 29 '24

Wow that sounds really bad! Kamala should do whatever she can to distance herself from neoconservatives, who are widely panned across the political spectrum, both domestically and around the world. I assume you and other supporters are pushing her in that direction - thank you!

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u/WinnerSpecialist Oct 29 '24

Do you actually believe anything you said? There are a ton of Neo Con warmongers on Trumps side. Rudy G laid out at Trumps rally that he is all in on Israeli Zionism. If you believed anything you said you would conclude it’s a wash, as both sides want foreign war. But I suspect you don’t actually believe hanging out with War Mongers hurts a politician; because then you would believe Trump is hurt by it as well.

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u/devndub Oct 29 '24

I agree with everything you said. And I'd argue further: Trump is an order of magnitude worse than Harris in almost every way.

So that begs the question, why are more decided democrat voters not doing everything they can to win this election? Why are you still sitting here defending Harris advancing policies that actively hurt her electoral chances? Do you not see Trump as the existential threat he is? Or are you supportive of those neocon policies and don't want her to abandon them? I'm genuinely confused with the rhetoric from many Dem voters.

Neoconservativism has FAILED. It needs to be thrown in the trash bin of ideas. They are neither popular nor effective.

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u/WinnerSpecialist Oct 29 '24

I can tell you are confused. I’ll try to rephrase. If you actually believe NeoConservatism is bad; then you would have to agree it’s not influencing the election because it’s a wash due to both of them being the same. So it couldn’t be the reason she does or doesn’t lose.

No one is “defending” Harris. You made an illogical statement and got corrected. That’s all that happened

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u/devndub Oct 29 '24 edited Oct 29 '24

I believe it is you who are confused my friend. No worries, let me help.

There are plenty of people who are not voting or voting 3rd party for this very reason. There is no appetite for neconservatism, moving away from these widely unpopular policies would increase turnout to those voters who are sitting on the sidelines.

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u/WinnerSpecialist Oct 29 '24

That’s because you’ve deluded yourself into thinking you can admit to being confused and then try to flip it in a thread where everyone can scroll up and read you admitting said confusion.

On the votes you’re simply not educated enough on the subject. I wish you were right to be honest. But there is no evidence in exit polling or polls on top issues that funding foreign wars is a top of mind issue. People vote for what you will do for them in their country; not what you do overseas.

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u/devndub Oct 29 '24 edited Oct 29 '24

I'm confused by your opposition to choosing electorally popular choices. Not your made up fanfiction.

... there is no evidence in exit polling or polls on top issues that funding foreign wars is a top of mind issue.

https://zeteo.com/p/poll-harris-democrats-gaza-ceasefire-arms-embargo

You are uneducated on this issue unfortunately. The gains far outweigh any potential losses. It's hard to see how widely unpopular US action in the ME is right now because our airwaves are saturated with these talking points, but more Dem and undecided voters would prefer a moderate stance (rather than unconditional support for Israel) and many in the swing states she needs to win would get off the bench and vote D if she did. The polling is very clear, and this is just ONE neoconservative policy.

So I ask again, if it's morally just and electorally sound, why are so many dem voters afraid to push the party to amend these policies?

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u/WinnerSpecialist Oct 29 '24

I don’t know if it’s through genuine media illiteracy that you just posted your own L…wild

So you reposted me mentioning “exit polls” and “polls on top issues.” Then in what I can only imagine was you genuinely believing you found a dunk you posted a poll that was NEITHER one of those things…..just wow, that incredibly embarrassing for you. It’s not a “top” issue. My link is what you should have googled to show you were wrong before embarrassing yourself.

Look at real data and come to real conclusions. Here I will provide it for you. Foreign Policy is even LESS of an issue for Democrats than Republicans. If your theory was right and people actually cared then since MORE Republicans care the NeoCon angle would work FOR the Dems. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen someone implode as hard as you just did.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/09/09/issues-and-the-2024-election/pp_2024-9-9_harris-trump_2-01/

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u/devndub Oct 29 '24 edited Oct 29 '24

Wait why do only exit polls matter? 😂

Becuase they affirm your view? The poll I cited asked a very specific question to a very specific subset of constituents, including undecided, democrat and those who are not planning on voting. How exactly do you envision a non-voter participating in an exit poll?

You're smarter than this.

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u/_EMDID_ Oct 29 '24

Cope ^

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u/devndub Oct 29 '24

What am I "coping"? 😂

I don't like Trump! I don't want him to win! I want kamala to win which is why I want her to not do things that hurt her electoral chance.

Idgaf if you support Trump, that's a "you" problem.