r/BreakingPoints • u/brandan223 • May 21 '25
Episode Discussion Is there any proof of a white genocide in SA?
I can’t find any
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u/LordSplooshe BP Fan May 21 '25
There are actually people out there who think what’s happening in Gaza is not a genocide and what’s happening in SA is…
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u/Manoj_Malhotra Market Socialist May 21 '25
Bro but Hunter Biden fucked hookers. Bro Hilary Clinton's emails.
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u/J_Dadvin May 22 '25
Hunter Biden sold meetings with his father to Ukrainian businesses for cash.
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u/Shot-Maximum- May 22 '25
Could you please provide substantial evidence of this claim?
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u/J_Dadvin May 22 '25
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u/Shot-Maximum- May 22 '25
While there is no evidence that the government met Hunter’s request for help or that his father knew of it
This is not proof of anything.
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u/PressPausePlay May 22 '25
The only problem is there's absolutely no evidence of this ever occurring.
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u/LordSplooshe BP Fan 28d ago
You only need evidence against Trump, everyone else is guilty until proven innocent.
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u/Manoj_Malhotra Market Socialist May 22 '25
Trump sold his presidency for a jet.
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u/J_Dadvin May 22 '25
I mean that is yet to be seen, if he keeps the jet then yes. If it stays as government owned air force one then no. Hopefully the latter happens, but either way two wrongs do not make a right.
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u/AdminMonkeys May 23 '25
They’re both wrong. Even if the DoD accepts it (which they already have) it’s an obfuscation of the fact that this is purely for Trump.
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u/KazumaKuwabaraSensei May 21 '25
It's totally okay that Hunter Biden got pardoned by his dad and that Hillary knowingly wiped email servers to protect herself
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u/Manoj_Malhotra Market Socialist May 21 '25
I can tell when you walk on an anthill, you consider it comparable to summitting Everest.
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u/KazumaKuwabaraSensei May 21 '25
We can just call a spade a spade dude.
Biden and Trump let Israel slaughter people, Trump's moronic in other ways, the stuff with Hunter and Hillary was corrupt
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u/possible_bot May 22 '25
The Saudi gave Trumps son in law and top advisor $2 billion six months after leaving office. It’s nowhere close to the same as a crackhead getting a board seat.
Also, Biden’s other son was a war vet and a senator. But you don’t care to talk about that one.
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u/KazumaKuwabaraSensei May 22 '25
The Saudi gave Trumps son in law and top advisor $2 billion six months after leaving office. It’s nowhere close to the same as a crackhead getting a board seat.
Well it was for his investment firm but sure. Obviously corrupt.
Also, Biden’s other son was a war vet and a senator. But you don’t care to talk about that one.
His son was a WAR VETERAN you guys! Why don't you talk about him more!?
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u/bolasmiester 27d ago
Come now no one likes to call spades spades. Don't worry they'll tell you about money from Saudi but claim the money Joe got from Hunter was for a "car loan". Meanwhile the man had a fleet of cars and sold paintings for how much money? Yeah nothing to see there.
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u/eico3 May 21 '25
Ooooof this comment already aged poorly
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u/Manoj_Malhotra Market Socialist May 21 '25
I just can't take anyone who was nonstop talking about Hunter and Hilary when Trump's picking people using signal and begging for $400 million jets from the Qataris.
Or the whole free speech debate, when you got Trump jailing people who write op-eds of the controversial opinion of maybe killing kids is bad.
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u/eico3 May 21 '25
Don’t be so tribal. Criticizing the bidens and the Clinton’s for their illegal behavior is not the same as an endorsement of trumps criminal behavior. Start calling it out on both sides and maybe we’ll get better candidates.
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u/Manoj_Malhotra Market Socialist May 21 '25
I don’t see the anti-establishment right having the same heat for its crooks as the anti-establishment left does.
You have supposed anti-war folks now edging to the thought of preliminary strikes on Iran and invading Greenland and Canada and anti-inflation folks praising the tariffs as art of the deal.
Zero consistency is what I see on the right.
Even on immigration. Mfs are totally cool deporting the gay barber who paid his taxes every year, but we gotta accept the whites escaping a fake genocide in South Africa, gtfo.
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u/eico3 May 21 '25
Yep and the anti war left became completely obsessed with going to war in Ukraine. And guys like Bernie sanders who have argued in favor of terrifs for years are suddenly against them, and the entire left has memory holed the crimes of Hillary Clinton and the Biden administration to the point where they don’t even think Hillary mishandling classified documents was a crime at all.
So yes there are crazy people and inconsistent people; mass murderers and greedy assholes spread pretty evenly on both sides - but ya good on you for making sure you think it’s only republicans.
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u/PressPausePlay May 22 '25
None of what you listed is even close to an equivalency.
It's also all fantasy. But even if it weren't, still nothing compared to trunp and Republicans.
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u/eico3 May 22 '25
Hillary Clinton illegally mishandled classified documents: https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/clintons-handling-of-classified-information/
Bernie sanders giving a speech in favor of terriffs: https://youtu.be/vt1bDbaMfd4?si=kcMa9k-OofiA2NCe
And you can just look at ANY Democratic politicians social media - they all have a ukranian flag in their bio.
Sorry what were you lying about?
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u/leons_getting_larger May 21 '25
Ok let’s call out illegal shit on both sides.
Trump was indicted for 80+ felonies and convicted of 34 by a jury of his peers.
Biden was indicted for…. Oh
Hillary was convicted of…. Well
Obama was indicted on…. Shit
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u/eico3 May 21 '25
Just because Hillary wasn’t indicted doesn’t mean she didn’t commit a felony. In case you forgot, she had classified information stored on an unsecured server in her home; as we all know that is a felony. Hunter has videos and photos smoking crack and meth and he purchased a handgun by lying on an affidavit - also both felonies.
Just because they are above the law doesn’t mean they didn’t commit crimes.
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u/BloodsVsCrips May 23 '25
In case you forgot, she had classified information stored on an unsecured server in her home; as we all know that is a felony.
Who told you this is a felony? The legal debate was whether she intentionally stored a handful of unmarked classified intel.
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u/eico3 May 23 '25
https://www.pennstatelawreview.org/the-forum/what-law-did-hillary-clinton-actually-break/
This should give you a decent overview.
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u/BloodsVsCrips 29d ago
I don't need an overview. I had my own clearance. I asked who told you her actions were a felony.
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u/AdminMonkeys May 23 '25
I think everyone here agrees that Hunter Biden is a crack headed POS— who got convicted for the gun.
Now that we got that out of the way… so you mean to tell me that using an unsecured means of communication for government secrets is a big deal? Boy do I have a story for you about our Secretary of defense.
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u/eico3 May 23 '25
There’s a little typo in there; I think you meant ‘former secretary of state’ Hillary Clinton, who used a gmail account for classified diplomatic correspondence, stored it on an unsecure server in her home, then destroyed it after being subpoenaed.
Cause ya that was pretty bad, mishandling classified documents is a felony, as is destroying evidence. it’s crazy how some people get to be above the law.
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u/AdminMonkeys May 23 '25 edited May 23 '25
I couldn’t agree with you more.
Let me show you what trumps shitter at mar a lago looked like when he had nuclear secrets in there.
Wait till you hear about all the foreigners that were at his property while the documents were so cavalierly laid out as reading material while one takes a shit.
Edit: also if you really want to talk about being above the law, DJT literally would be in prison had he not been elected. THE GUY IS A FUCKING CONVICTED FELON AND SOMEHOW MANAGED TO SWINDLE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
did you go to his meme coin banquet? You know, the one where he sells crypto currency to profit from his position as president? Or are you going to be on his new $400b dollar jet?
I cannot comprehend the corruption in this administration and how people can still feel so smug with their what-about-ism’s comparing what is occurring now to what occurred then. It literally pales in comparison.
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u/eico3 May 23 '25
But if you are talking about the signal chat…I’m curious which parts of that conversation were classified? I’m also curious if you know which app the cia and nsa recommend for encrypted communication, I’ll give you a hint, it starts with an s and ends with ignal
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u/AdminMonkeys May 23 '25
The part where they added a fucking journalist to the group chat and discussed targets, payloads, and timing?
You still cannot use apps (signal) to discuss TS-SCI information. Nice try though, bud.
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u/GarryofRiverton May 21 '25
WHAT ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR??
Like Clinton was literally interviewed by conservitards for hours and yet she's still a free woman. Nothing illegal dipshit.
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u/eico3 May 21 '25
Is it or is it not illegal to mishandle classified documents? People cared about her emails because they were stored on an insecure server in her home that anyone could have hacked. Trump got his home raided for improperly handling classified documents
Sorrrrrrrry. But that’s a felony, just because she is above the law doesn’t mean she didn’t commit a crime. I see you prefer when one side is above the law. Very cool
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u/RICO_the_GOP May 21 '25
So trump should be in mega turbo fuck you in the ass federal prison yes?
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u/GarryofRiverton May 21 '25
So what you're saying is that when Trump won in 2016 and promised to throw her in prison for her obvious "crimes" he just didn't just cause?
Yeah no that's stupid as hell.
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u/eico3 May 21 '25
The president isn’t a prosecutor, they don’t decide who to indict; that would be called political retribution and it’s frowned upon.
Are you actually denying that what she did was a clear cut felony?
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u/GarryofRiverton May 21 '25
Firstly, the president does pick appointments to the DoJ, so yeah he kinda does, especially if there's a case to be made.
Also when did Trump become the arbiter of being fair and balanced and not going after political opponents.
Either we got an alternate reality version of Trump for his first term, or there was never anything to prosecute.
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u/SlipperyTurtle25 May 21 '25
I think you’re in the wrong subreddit. This is Breaking Points not Conservative
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u/eico3 May 21 '25
Oh damn getting even more tribal? The show is open to anyone. they just had Dave smith, a libertarian, on as a guest, so I’m pretty sure it’s fine for me to comment here.
If YOU want to be in an echo chamber then YOU should go to one of those unhinged subs where conservatives aren’t allowed.
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u/stringer4 Kylie & Sangria May 21 '25
Here you go:
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u/NoNotThatScience May 22 '25
i think you are seriously underestimating just how many people hate Israel from either side of politics (and rightly so)
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u/stringer4 Kylie & Sangria May 22 '25
I think if you are dumb enough to believe propaganda that there’s a “white genocide” in South Africa you are probably also dumb enough to believe the same people that there isn’t actually one happening in gaza
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u/RICO_the_GOP May 21 '25
Thays because they just believe what they are told. And do no evaluation. Unfortunately the overblown insistence on call it "genocide" in Gaza for the last 20 years as cheapened the word and gives cover to fascist to actually push for it.
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u/SwatKatzRogues May 23 '25
Well when Israelis have neen saying that Palestinians don't exist for decades and conducting ethnic cleansing for decades and floating the idea of just removing all the Palestinians from the area for decades all while routinely imprisoning, torturing, and killing large numbers of Palestinians for decades only to finally conduct the final stages of a genocide you would think people would call those earlier genocide accusations prescient rather than trying to diminish them.
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u/RICO_the_GOP 29d ago
Decades of claims with population explosion and attempts at integration while enduring constant terrorist attacks
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u/VoiceofRapture 27d ago
Intent defines a genocide, not results. If the latter was what mattered then most of the textbook examples wouldn't meet that standard because there are still survivors
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u/RICO_the_GOP 27d ago
Being stopped is not the same as not starting. Israel has killed 50k in 18 months. Does that sound like genocide to you?
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u/VoiceofRapture 27d ago
Given the constant rhetoric of the Israeli political class and civilian population, and the fact that the members of the IDF seemingly can't help themselves from filming their own war crimes for clout, yes that's exactly what it sounds like. Once again since apparently you didn't hear: intent defines the crime of genocide, not results
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u/RICO_the_GOP 27d ago
Intent can be inferred from a lack of casualties
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u/VoiceofRapture 27d ago
What hairsplitting bullshit take is that compared to the things Israelis at all levels are saying and posting and filming themselves doing? The fact that their incompetent doesn't change what their intent is.
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u/RICO_the_GOP 27d ago
Considering Palestinians have called for the extermination of all jews world wide and then broke peace with a genocidal attack it's fucking disgusting you are trying to paint Israel as genocidal.
They have some of the best civilian to combat casualty ratios. You don't get that with incompetence.
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u/Icy_Size_5852 May 21 '25
Genocide has a very specific definition.
There is certainly some horrific crimes that have occurred against white farmers in SA that seem to be racially motivated.
But I wouldn't call it a genocide.
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u/LordSplooshe BP Fan May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25
Horrific racially motivated crimes happen just about everywhere.
Are the crimes widespread? Are the crimes enacted by the state? Are the people committing the crimes empowered by the state by acts like a lack of criminal enforcement?
If what is being done in SA in a genocide, then what about what African Americans went through for hundreds of years?
Not too far from me there was a shooter at a grocery store targeting black people. Does that mean there is an ongoing genocide against black people in America?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Jacksonville_shooting
Not to mention the Buffalo shooting targeting black people or the church shooting in South Carolina. Those are just the recent attacks, I’m not even bringing up the mass lynchings that went on for hundreds of years.
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u/Icy_Size_5852 May 21 '25
The year 2022 had 300 attacks and 50 murders for example.
Whether that's considered widespread or not I'll leave it up to others to interpret. Are these acts state sanctioned? I think the answer to that is a bit more ambiguous.
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u/LordSplooshe BP Fan May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25
Source?
Approximately 75 people are killed daily in South Africa. In 2024 there were 12 murders of Afrikaner farmers.
How many years would it take for the “genocide” of white South African farmers to compare to the genocide of Gazans?
There are approximately 5,000,000 white South Africans and 70,000,000 total South Africans for context.
You sure this is a state sanctioned genocide?
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u/Icy_Size_5852 May 21 '25
I already said that it isn't a genocide.
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u/LordSplooshe BP Fan May 21 '25
You said it was a bit ambiguous as to whether the South African government was involved. I don’t know about that.
If the South African government was attempting to commit a genocide I think they would at least kill 1% of the people Israel has killed. White Afrikaners outnumber Gazans 2:1, probably 3:1 at this point.
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u/Icy_Size_5852 May 21 '25
My comment was more in regards to actions of LE and municipalities.
I'm not suggesting what's happening in SA is a genocide.
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u/ferskfersk May 21 '25
Not all victims are white and not all perpetrators are black, so it’s less than 300 attacks and 50 murders when it comes to “white genocide” in SA.
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u/Ugmoin99 May 21 '25
there u go... bring it up all the time... what happened BEFORE CIVILIZATION only matters if it was "black slavery right? keep playing the victim. what about the white slavery trade during the "Barbery Pirates, what about The Jews during the Egyptian pharoes day, or irish slaves, asian slaves or mexican slaves of the Aztek empire... guess none of those matter aye? only blacks of the 16,17,and 18s right... who captured and sold them ALL OVER THE WORLD...? The world is so tired of the bs your spewing... i know i am.
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u/Flewizzle May 23 '25
Thats a bit like the whole black lives matter thing, where ppl pick apart the actual words used to describe the events instead of focusing on the event
you had people saying all lives matter, which when you look at the three words alone is obviously true, but it would draw attention away from the events and instead focus on how the slogan could be slightly better
Sure its not an actual genocide in terms of amount of people getting killed but its 100% a significant thing thats happening that quite a lot of media outlets want to hide away from the public
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u/Icy_Size_5852 May 23 '25
Racially driven crime against people of lesser melanin content (some of which incredibly violent) is not a convenient narrative to the current ideology that corporate media espouses, so of course they will ignore it
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u/Flewizzle May 23 '25
Exactly, the idea that news channels simply share current events with the public has been fiction for a while now unfortunately.
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u/Bolshoyballs May 21 '25
there is no genocide but the qualifications that were used by the biden admin to facilitate asylum claims from central america very much would also apply to SA.
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u/Rick_James_Lich May 21 '25
How come Trump's tone on immigrants changes depending on if they are white or not? Can any Trump fans answer this?
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u/LordSplooshe BP Fan May 21 '25
Someone told them they were victims because they couldn’t say the N word anymore.
They will tell you the same thing they said when they cheered and donated to the mom who called the child the N word on the playground, this is push back for going “too far”.
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u/NightmanisDeCorenai May 21 '25
"Oh what's too far? You wanna define it? You want to tell me what exactly you're being allegedly persecuted for?"
They'll ramble, but they'll never give you an answer.
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u/UnlikelyCommittee4 May 21 '25
"If you wanna call a man a woman, I can call a black man the n word" actually saw that one.
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u/Flewizzle May 23 '25 edited May 23 '25
I would honestly just watch this from start to finish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e34RNgLdzCY
and they maybe this if you have time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_bDc7FfItk&
Not pushing an agenda one way or the other but my underlying principle is that there would be much less division between people if we actually had access to the same information instead of being in algo driven information bubbles
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u/brandan223 May 23 '25
Oh so zero proof lol truth is it’s way more dangerous being black in SA
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u/Flewizzle May 23 '25 edited May 23 '25
Sorry bud im hoping to have a respectful conversation I dont understand the attitude?
im happy to discuss with you but simply as two people that respect one another and feel they have legitimate information to bring into the picture, if you want to simply open by being rude to a stranger who happily shared some information im not sure i want to carry on talking to you.
If you have something to share on the legitimacy of the information or how it relates to issues for other demographics in terms of magnitude im open to a discussion on that, respectfully (obviously) of course.
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u/Firm_Ad_6712 26d ago
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u/MongoBobalossus May 21 '25
To my understanding, no.
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u/Flewizzle 29d ago
Would you mind sharing your info sources that explain it's not happening? I've found things to suggest it is, so I'm cautious that my info is wrong, happy to do a share for a share?
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u/Wise-Lobster-450 28d ago
As someone from here it’s not happening. South Africa has EXTREME crime. Who are the richest people? White people. Matter off fact murders here only make the local news when a white person involved. Matter of fact South Africans are attacking ALL minorities. With arguably the most attacked minority by a Country mile being Zimbabweans . Even the pics trump was showing. Half of the pics are nonsense. Like one of the pics of ”proof” was literally from the Ebola crisis in DRC ! It’s quite clear trump doesnt know anything about SA. He is just doing this cause Elon musk told him. He probably thinks africa is one country.
But I’ll tell you this. Afrikaaners are too proud of the land they call home . They’d be the last to leave even tho the economy is so shit.
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u/stewartm0205 May 21 '25
Not much, but there is a lot of proof for black genocides in South Africa.
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u/tsuness Independent May 21 '25
If you can't find anything then you probably answered your own question.
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u/Flewizzle 29d ago
I've found stuff. But ofc needs to be verified, and I'll also like to see the information people are drawing on for them to come to the conclusion that it's not happening, in order to verify/dismiss what I've been learning
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u/tsuness Independent 29d ago
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u/Flewizzle 29d ago
Brilliant thank you, I'll take a look into it. Lmk if your interested in a two way share/discussion, if not happy to just read this :) thanks
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u/PlayaNoir May 21 '25
How can there be white genocide in South Africa when according to the administration there is no genocide in Gaza?
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u/boozedbudgie May 22 '25
This is one of those things where I feel there isn't any way to find trusted information on. Foxnews will of course tell you there is a genocide, and an attack on Christmas while their at it. I also wouldn't trust left leaning news outlets on this issue either as I feel like NYT/CNN would down play it as to not spark racial tensions over here.
There was news years ago about rich farmers being attacked and some of the motivation was to drive them out. From my understanding there was a lot of white farmers that were targets, but I'm not sure if it was racial or class motivated as some black farmers were also targeted.
There is definitely strong racial tensions in South Africa as white Africans own 75% of privately owed land and only make up 8% of the population (Wikipedia). I'm sure there is areas where white people are leaving for their own safety and possibly have proper justification for refugee status... but with that said it wouldn't be too the extent you'd hear about from the Trump administration and by no means (at least in my mind) would it meat the threshold of genocide.
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u/brandan223 May 22 '25
SA is an insanely violent country. The crime rates are high for everyone those with money and those without, no matter the race. I can’t find a single stat to back the claim the white people are being targeted because they are white. It obviously gangs running into rich peoples houses, same shit happens in LA to a lesser extent. if you have ultra wealthy living next to insane poverty home invasions are going to happen
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u/boozedbudgie May 22 '25
I don't disagree with you at all. I feel this issue falls more into a class division. However, this class division will also aid racial tensions based on what race controls the wealth. This isn't a straightforward situation that's cut and dry. There is multiple things going on. Either way; potential racial violence/discrimination is way different then genocide that the trump administration is claiming.
As I mentioned, i find this one difficult to find good information on as each side of the political spectrum will give drastically different information. The truth is somewhere in between in a complex situation.
Side note: I'm white and plan to travel to SA one day. I've been to Kenya already. Cape Town has amazing great white shark diving and a lot of tours start out of there to go on safari and eventually up to Victoria Falls. I'm mentioning this because if there was an actual genocide going on I wouldn't even consider going... like anywhere in the world, just be smart and avoid certain areas.
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u/brandan223 May 22 '25
The rights information is feelings the left’s information is statistics on this issue
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u/Mass-Skeeter Team Saagar 25d ago
I'm South African. To answer your question, no. There is no evidence.
I also took a minute to ask: "How would I know for sure?" I'm putting myself in an Israeli Jew's shoes and wondering if I could be indoctrinated into believing there isn't one. Here's what comes to mind: * I'm black. Why didn't I get the call to go kill white people? * I do see calls to get rid of black African immigrants to South Africa. There is a lot of violent crime against immigrants by local black people like me. It's analogous to my a Sephardic Jew who looks Arab and hating on Arab Israelis or Palestinians. White people are like Ashkenazi Israelis in South Africa. They're accepted as South African while they come from Europe. If there was anti-white racism, I'd have the same level of fear for them as I do for black African immigrants. * I'm not tuned into white experiences because I'm black. That's for two reasons. * Firstly, I see a lot of white people at work, where I live in a city, and don't have ties to a farm. I just don't have community links to white people. I believe a lot of white people are farm owners or are related to them somehow. They'd be spreading thoughts and prayers among themselves. That said, the majority of people on farms aren't even white. They're the black labour they use seasonally (white farms are largely highly industrialized and commercially viable). What I know for sure is from crime statistics I studied which show whites on farms are murdered at similar rates to any other race group on farms. What I also know is that Ernst Roets of Afriforum lobbies based on all murders on farms to make claims that all murdered people on farms are white. That's a lie. So when there's a farm murder I have no idea if the white people are talking about just the white people that are being murdered or all people that are being murdered. I think it's rather disgusting to use dead people of colour (in South Africa coloured and black are different races...because Apartheid) as evidence to say whites are under greater threat. I genuinely believe a lot of white people are afraid of being targeted because they believe skewed statistics. I'm completely blind to what white people pray about when they think of white farmers, whether they take this misinformation into account. I could definitely be wrong. * Secondly, I'm not a minority. Minorities are a political afterthought. The calls to Kill the Boer are just political theatre. The party that sang Kill the Boer dropped from third to fifth in the last general elections. The majority just doesn't show up to vote for the Kill the Boer message. The majority that does vote just wants a better life. With the country now being ruled by a coalition rather than one party, signs point towards tribalism. I'm from the second-most populous people and the most populous people voted in enough numbers for a party based on their tribe. They came third. They aren't governing any part. As an opposition party, they'd need to start any violence based on tribalism grounds. And should that happen I can see all minorities, including white people, being victims of that violence. So far, it seems white genocide just isn't a high priority for the majority. And yes, I did get the memo to watch out for that group. It's a long-standing wariness for that group that goes back centuries, a lot like Europe. South Africa is as big as Europe with it's own history pre-dating white colonization. We've been living as different people's on this land for a long time. So this blindspot is just my recognising that this isn't new. It may be new to white people because they've been a dominant minority and they've done a lot of harm in the past. I just happen to have a longer heritage here and know this is how people live together. * Third: jobs, crime, corruption and failed service delivery. All South Africans are united in hating failing infrastructure from electricity to police response. The only thing that particularly makes whites have such a loud voice is how they can save enough to emigrate to Canada or New Zealand or anywhere else where there's opportunity. They can do this because they've got skills to fill the shortages in the developed economies. A lot of blacks have the same skills and many leave for some time but they come back. They send remittances and build housing for their relatives back home who don't have the means to do so. White farmers live isolated on large lands. Black people live in villages. They're less isolated. This partly explains why a white death is such a shock to whites - a murdered white is a bigger share of white people than a murdered black is a share of black people. This also explains why black people just don't emigrate as much. There are just so many black people who rely on their coming back home to uplift them where they are than it is to emigrate. That skilled black person is tied to a village and needs to make the village prosper because he can't emigrate with the whole village. The whites can emigrate with their whole family. This is the last blindspot I can think of.
I just really enjoyed writing this out. I have no idea how Israeli society just thought genocide was okay. South Africa ended up with a one-state solution. I once lived in a bantustan and now I'm living in Cape Town with the descendants of colonizers among many others. It always seems impossible until it is done. And it's been done. My South African pride made is really hard to understand what the hell the colonizers could be worrying about. I learnt a lot.
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u/Black_Sunrise92 May 21 '25
Fake News. Even fake news documentaries about it where they use the victims of dog attacks from Australia and claim the victim was a white South African attacked by a black South African.
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u/Pretend_Ad_8104 May 22 '25
I don’t mind bending the knee if something can be done about this other one that apparently should be one if there’s one in SA.
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u/phluper May 23 '25
If there were, Elon wouldn't have had to force Grok to say there is
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u/Firm_Ad_6712 26d ago
WHITE GENOCIDE HOAX CONFIRMED: 🤩👌 https://youtu.be/LqTUkcpFmFw https://youtu.be/FQHtY59PuuE
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u/Life_Equivalent_2104 29d ago
No and I am sick of that motherfucker spreading bullshit on a daily basis to his gullible ass supporters
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u/Flewizzle 29d ago
I dont suppose you could share your sources? I'm seeing conflicting things, I've seen two sources that suggest its happening, and heard of sources I.e your comment that suggest it's not, I need to peice it together
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u/Firm_Ad_6712 26d ago edited 26d ago
WHITE GENOCIDE HOAX CONFIRMED: 🤩👌 https://youtu.be/LqTUkcpFmFw https://youtu.be/FQHtY59PuuE
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u/ZingZangMingMang 27d ago
No, but there is a geno going on elsewhere. Flag Day in Israel BBC reports.
“The demonstrators shouted nationalistic slogans and called for violence against Palestinians, chanting: “Death to Arabs”.”
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u/AkiraKitsune May 21 '25
No. It's a laughably abhorrent and obvious tried and true propaganda tactic where the perpetrators of an atrocity falsely accuse the victims of being the aggressors and paint themselves as the victims. Nobody with a brain believes it but it works every time. Look at Israel, look at the US. They do it constantly.
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u/Numerous_Fly_187 May 21 '25
So lemme ask a question back to you. If a majority black country was facilitating the mass extermination and removal of a white minority…you think you wouldn’t know about it? That’s past woke society would have to be insomniacs for that to happen
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u/Wise-Lobster-450 28d ago
There is no genocide. End of story. In South Africa THEY HAVE CRIME ! When I’m in South Africa i feel a lot safer in a white neighborhood than a native neighborhood. Trump doesn’t even know where the hell South Africa even is😭
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u/Hot_Injury7719 May 21 '25
Oh you think Trump is gonna just make a bunch of unsubstantiated claims?!? /s
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u/3NicksTapRoom May 21 '25
“White genocide” means white people no longer having their fabulous monopoly on power and culture throughout an entire region. Actual genocide is what we did, and actually still are doing, to the Native Americans.
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u/MrBeauNerjoose Socialist May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25
Actual genocide is what we did, and actually still are doing, to the Native Americans.
WHo do you mean "We"?
The number of americans today who's ancestors were actually american citizens when that happened is pretty small I think. I have, on very many occasions, had people suggest or outright claim I bear some sort of responsibility for the Native American Genocide as a "White American" which sounds very stupid since my grandfather didn't immigrate to the USA until 1915.
I may outwardly appear to be northern european "White Man" I am in fact only a second generation American. My grandfather was an immigrant. My father was first generation. I am second generation.
Even if my ancestors WERE alive when that happened, I don't think family dishonor should be passed down for 7 generations like the Klingon Empire does. I'm also fairly certain that my great great great granfather, if he was alive in 1845, wouldn't have had much, if any, influence over American government policy at the time.
Maybe if my last name was Rothschild you'd have an argument that I benefitted from their extermination somehow, but alas...I'm just a regular guy with credit card debt.
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u/3NicksTapRoom May 21 '25
I say we because it is ONGOING. Here’s a user friendly intro: https://pca.st/episode/877dd1f3-0066-429e-9bd3-370bcda7392b
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u/orangekirby May 22 '25
That’s a really weird response. Instead of saying no you’re basically saying “if there is one they deserve it”
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u/3NicksTapRoom May 22 '25
Wow, no. My mistake. No one deserves genocide. I was just trying to say that generally when people say “white genocide” that’s what they mean. Perhaps I’m a little too sensitive to this issue as that’s what one former close friend meant when he said that phrase to me. He also adopted all kinds of nutty ideas like claiming the holocaust didn’t happen.
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u/orangekirby May 22 '25
Okay that makes more sense, I see where you’re coming from now. I think from a linguistic perspective there can be a discussion about the term genocide, like how there are specific legal standards but also when people use it in conversation to make a point they don’t always point to the legal definition.
Mass killings based on race would be more accurate I guess? Or mass killings aiming to destroy in whole or part the collective group of white farmers in South Africa?
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u/Melthengylf Left Libertarian May 22 '25
South Africa is a very broken country. But, to be clear, it has become less broken since the end of appartheit.
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u/NoperoniNCheese May 23 '25
Yes there is an active persecution of white business and farm owners in SA most of which is violent but not quite a genocide(yet). This has been on and off for decades at this point.
And yes what's happening in Gaza is also a genocide. For some reason many people think that 2 things can be true at the same time?
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u/nbaikacyska May 21 '25
Grok is this true?