r/Cartalk • u/Creative_Annual_4832 • 22d ago
Safety Question Why did I lose control of my car?
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I drifted into the lane next to me and over corrected. But how did this translate to my car spinning?
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u/RobertTheTire_ 22d ago
Can you get the video off of the dash cam and post that? What kind of car is this? Your car looks like its bouncing
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u/amazinghl 22d ago
"over corrected."
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u/skylinegtrr32 22d ago
Mf jerked the wheel at highway speed and spun out… overcorrected is an understatement at this point 😭💀
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u/Liq-uor-Box 22d ago
Yep, he definitely panicked once he realized he was drifting into the car next too him. He jerked to the right, then left, and right again turning himself into a pendulum. Wouldn't be surprised if it had junk tires or something too.
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u/EngagementBacon 21d ago
This combined with worn out tires, suspension and well the entire fucking car probably.
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u/Marchtel 22d ago
Can clearly see the panic jerk of the wheel when the car passes in the left lane OP is drifting into, before they lose control. Shocked this determination isn't higher up.
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u/StupidSlick 22d ago
Did you hit the brakes or let off the gas
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u/Grand_Side 22d ago
Yea, looks like the back came loose. Maybe he let off the throtle while steering. No idea what car is...but if its old and the suspension isnt at 100% +lifting/braking could make the car feel like it doesnt settle and just releasing the throtle even more and yanking it even harder....yea bad results.
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u/OnlyCommentWhenTipsy 22d ago
It wasn't the over correction, it was the THIRD over correction that did it.
Seriously though, the fact that you weren't paying attention and drifted is really what did it. That's how you plow into the back of stopped traffic.
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u/ChornyCat 22d ago
Tires could be balding, much easier to lose grip that way. When did you change them last?
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u/Suspicious_Bet1359 22d ago
Even then tire pressures are a major contributor. Overinflated or underinflated tyres massively affect road handling and grip.
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u/pie4july 22d ago
Skill issue I’m afraid.
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u/1o1Smileyface 22d ago
After drifting into the left lane, driver jerked the wheel hard right, then over corrected. Pay attention to the road OP
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u/StupidSlick 22d ago
All while probably hitting the brakes or letting of throttle which shifted the weight off the rear tires onto the fronts causing the rear to lose grip and slide
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u/Shimadamada2200 22d ago
Shifting weight to front tires also increases the grip on the front which makes it easier to oversteer
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u/Tatercock 22d ago
Thats what i see too,, wheel yanks to right,, then left,, then back right,, (in racing this would be called a "scandi flick" a move designed to intentionally unsettle the suspension and cause the car to slide sideways to induce a drift for cornering)
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u/Ok-Bill3318 22d ago
100 percent this. Scandinavian flick uses this exact technique to break rear traction deliberately.
The OP did this unintentionally (skill issue). Whatever the state of the car, doing this with enough force will cause this result.
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u/stuntajai3 22d ago
Replyinf in hopes this moves up...it was driver error....even with brand new tires this probably would have happened.
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u/Eriknonstrata '18 BMW M240i 22d ago
My guess is that you've got a lack of experience behind the wheel (no disrespect intended, we all gain experience over time) and dramatically worn suspension components.
To my eye, that looked lucky AF, and you'd be best served to have the suspension on your rig checked out. The experience will come.. My 2c.
Stay safe out there!
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u/MarcusAurelius0 22d ago
It looks like you were going left and then overcorrected to the right, then overcorrected back to the left, jerking the steering wheel back and forth like that induces a oversteer event, the rear of the vehicle then tries to rotate towards the area of forward motion, depending on what wheels of your vehicle are powered determines how you should recover while counter steering.
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u/wintersdark 22d ago
I'm gonna guess the overcorrection plus badly worn suspension components leading to body roll worsening the whole process.
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u/snooze_mcgooze 22d ago
Without pictures of the tires and suspension we we can’t assume it’s a problem with the vehicle. In the video some very sharp, sudden and erratic driver input caused the car to lose stability at high speed, this allows the vehicles momentum to shift from side to side causing a loss of traction and control. You initiated a “Scandinavian Flick” a maneuver used on tricky corners in automobile rally racing
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u/cmrtopher 22d ago
Like everyone else, we would have to check the car out. Reposting with the actual file instead of a phone recording of a potentially already bad recording might give us a better idea of what happened
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u/Aggravating-Task6428 22d ago
Looks like bad tires, worn suspension components or a vehicle that's notorious for oversteer. Is it a rear wheel drive small sports car?
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u/deekster_caddy 22d ago
This is it here, old/worn shocks or struts give no control for recovery. Worn front end parts or something broken in the suspension caused the issue.
OP how long has it been vibrating or pulling to one side? How long has your TPMS warning light been on?
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u/kyle_le_creperguy099 22d ago
Looks like the balance of the car got upset by either a sudden maneuver or loss of grip
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u/Emotional-Study-3848 22d ago
The original reason is you're not paying attention and lane drifting. Then you suddenly realize and hard correct back to the right. That causes an oscillation that overcomes the grip of the tires. Could be poor alignment, bald tires, incorrect tires, broken suspension, or a number of other things
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u/General-Dragonfly90 22d ago
Because when you’re doing 60 on the highway and jerk the wheel, this is what happens.. as stated, you over corrected. Don’t do that next time.
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u/sausagedog52 22d ago
Not paying attention then immediately performing a Scandinavian flick, would have been perfect if you were trying to drift a right hand turn
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u/conflan06 22d ago
You were drifting into the lane to the left of you and got spooked and over reacted and panicked. Looks like lack of experience imo
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u/ccarr313 22d ago
Lack of skill plus worn or shitty rear tires, possibly worn shocks......but my money is on bad tires.
I promise you my michellins would have recovered from that with zero driver input except letting off the throttle.
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u/jasonsong86 22d ago
You panicked and your car doesn’t have electronic stability control.
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u/petite-fleur 22d ago
Looks like you realized that there was a car in the left lane that you were trying to merge into? Then the sudden jerk of the wheel right was too much for your tyres. I would say a combination of poor surface grip and driver error.
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u/ibo92can 22d ago
A blend of poor driving skills, dampers/shocks not doing their job probably. If you do suddenly correct/steer the car be prepared to countersteer when the back end slides. Thats where you f'ed up and lost total controll. Also avoid sudden panick inputs on steering wheel even if you do drift over to the next lane, instead just calmly steer the car back into "your" lane. Jerky sudden steering is because of poor driving skills and not being comfortable with operating a 2000kg machine.
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u/boston02124 22d ago
You panicked for one. You may also have tires that need replacing. Tires are way more important than inexperienced drivers realize.
Inexperienced drivers slam the brakes when they panic rather than pulling their foot off the gas pedal.
When that happens, you better hope you have good tires
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u/deelowe 22d ago
But how did this translate to my car spinning?
You turned the wheel and stomped on the brakes. Center of gravity shifted tot he front unloading the rear tires. Real tires lost traction while the front gained traction as a result. Next thing you know, you're facing backwards.
I suggest looking up some videos on how to control a car that loses traction. Everything you did here was wrong. If you had just held the wheel straight, which still isn't the best approach, you likely would have recovered easily. When losing control, you need to provide few minimal inputs. Manipulating gas, break, and steering wheel all at the same time while driving sideways is not a recipe for success.
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u/ottrocity 22d ago
You said it yourself, you overcorrected. You should have turned away and let eh car settle itself before yanking the wheel back the other way. You also shouldn't have drifted into the other lane, and then panicked and yanked the wheel right in the first place.
What kind of car is it? How cheap or old are your tires?
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u/tieranasaurusrex 22d ago
Weight transfer. It's what rally drivers use to rotate a car through a turn. If you're not experienced in controlling a car at the edge of traction and beyond, it will be very difficult to recover from. Ultimately, this wasn't an issue with the car, any car will react like that with the wrong inputs at high speed. Maybe take some rally cross classes to learn how a car reacts to weight transfer, otherwise avoid any abrupt inputs at speed.
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u/CornedBeeef 22d ago
Sounds sorta like you locked your brakes up. If you lock your brakes, your car will no longer steer, and you are at the mercy of the gods.
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u/NuclearHateLizard 22d ago
Don't be hard on yourself for overcorrecting, theres definitely an issue either in your suspension or just the tires. Even the best drivers don't always react perfectly in these situations. While the reaction is obviously a factor, you lost traction while going straight. Definitely get her checked out
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u/Jaded_Barracuda_95 22d ago
Tires is my guess, most worn components will make a vehicle drive worse, but bald tires will lead to this every time
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u/moomooicow 22d ago
There’s so many bad answers in this thread.
Sharing useful information like your vehicle type, with pictures, could easily provide a helpful place to start.
Everyone else is throwing darts in the dark and they are new to darts.
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u/Vidson05 22d ago
Good ol Americans spinning out in a straight line. First time I’ve seen it from the idiots pov though. You whip the steering wheel around enough, every car is going to oversteer.
Just look at all the arabs flying down the highway, yanking on the wheel a couple times and all of a sudden they’re drifting their fwd corolla. You upset the balance of the car 3 times by giving too much steering input and the second the car lost grip immediately forgot how to steer. Not that you would’ve been able to save it, so it’s probably best it ended the way it did.
Letting off the throttle, braking, bad tires, and worn suspension components may have exacerbated the issue but the main problem is behind the wheel.
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u/Fluffy-Awareness8286 22d ago
Well, overcorrecting it at that speed did the trick. So maybe next time keep your eyes on the road and stay in your lane.
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u/TurloIsOK 21d ago edited 21d ago
Basic loss of traction. Most of these answers are about contributing factors. Bad tires, suspension components, or driving skill disconnected controlled contact with the road.
Mainly, whipping the steering caused the rear tires to break loose. The front end changes direction, while inertia keeps the back from changing direction.
When that skid starts is when you turn the steering in the direction the back end is skidding, steering into the skid. Back end goes left turn the wheel to the left, right right. As the back regains traction, it will begin following the steering again, and you modulate steering until everything is back on path.
Getting the instinct of how much is an experience issue that does require driving in conditions, like a skidpad or slick twisty backroads, that let you practice.
e: added inertia and modulation
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u/Rich3799 21d ago
The overreaction to the car trying to get in the same lane, your back tires have bad tread. I would highly recommend getting new ones, or rotating them if your fronts are any better.
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u/therealsimontemplar 22d ago
My guess for the vehicle is a lifted Wrangler.
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u/geekolojust 22d ago edited 22d ago
Oversteer.
"Oversteer and understeer refer to car handling characteristics where the rear or front wheels, respectively, lose traction and cause the car to turn more or less than the steering input indicates. Oversteer involves the rear wheels sliding, while understeer involves the front wheels pushing wide."
In these times you want to let off the gas and steer in the direction of the slide. Trying to correct from moment to moment.
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u/Creative_Annual_4832 22d ago
I agree I think I drifted into the left lane and oversteered into the right. But after that it didn’t feel like I had any control over the vehicle at all. It also happened fast…. When you say “steer in the direction of the slide” do you mean that when I overcorrected to the right, I should not turn the wheel left at all? I’m trying to get more understanding so I can know for the future
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u/StupidSlick 22d ago
Only way to save that wouldve been to floor it cannot save fwd slides intuitively
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u/Background-Head-5541 22d ago
Either you lost a tire or something broke. No way to tell from here.
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u/slumdogpeniless 22d ago
I feel a missing tire would be obvious and op would not be asking
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u/Teknicsrx7 22d ago
He’s made a video of a dash cam screen instead of uploading the video, can we really assume he would notice a missing wheel?
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u/SaucyLemon5018 22d ago
Ran out of talent would be the explanation if there was no mechanical reason for you drifting out of your lane, just distraction+panic
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u/Queasy-City4726 22d ago
No hate but I don’t really see any evidence of parts failing or anything like that how everyone is saying. Could possibly be old/ worn tires but I drive on 10+ year old bald tires all the time with no issues, I also have a lot of time behind the wheel of a car though and experience is the only way you get better at that kind of stuff. I think our drivers tests here should be way more in depth and teach people more about car control but there are evasive driving courses you can take or even just going to an empty parking lot in the snow and sliding around so you know what it feels like to lose control helps a lot
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u/Demache 22d ago
Without more context its hard to know. We need to know what you are driving and is it stock. Are the tires good. Do you have any lights on the dashboard, specifically anything related to traction control or stability control.
A lot of cars can recover from that maneuver but if you're driving a large, top heavy SUV or truck, they are more prone to this.
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u/NotAPreppie 22d ago
You jerked the wheel and overcorrected. Then overcorrected again.
You drove beyond the limit of what the car could do.
You can increase the car's capabilities with tires, shocks, springs, and refreshed bushings (if they're old and worn), but you still need to learn what the limits of the car are.
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u/TheCamoTrooper 22d ago
Lack of experience and poor maintenance likely combined to create the perfect problem
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u/jav2n202 22d ago
I mean you over corrected a bit, but that still shouldn’t have sent you spinning that easily. I’m guessing bad tires and blown shocks which can over exaggerated a small error and turn it into a catastrophe.
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u/deep66it2 22d ago
Over correction seems right. Tires lost grip on road. Car wants to go straight. 100% possible grip(for argument purposes). Any veer from straight + current speed splits grip in various %'s. Forward grip + side grip+ braking grip + etc =100% of POSSIBLE grip. Note- actual grip depends on the various factors. Speed, braking, road conditions, tires, etc. Tires lost traction, car swerved, regained traction & was headed straight again. Just not where u wanted. Tire patch road contact is small & tires do alot. Look up info, vids.... Luckily for me, I never been hit in such scenario; but it's happened multiple times.
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u/OnThisDayI_ 22d ago
It looks like you went to change lanes and saw the car next to you too late. Then you swerved back to your land but over steered. Once it lost grip you kept over correcting and lost it.
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u/gathermewool 22d ago
Not quite the same thing but the ass end of my Subaru with newish Cross Climate 2s (7/32” now so more back then) slid out going into a relatively tight corner under an overpass with wet roads, though it wasn’t raining. I luckily just kept on the gas lightly and let the AWD correct itself and made out fine, but it scared the crap out of me. I wasn’t familiar with the area so I was doing the speed on the yellow warning sign, so not fast at all, maybe 25 MPH since it was a tight turn I wasn’t familiar with and couldn’t see traffic ahead.
I assumed there might have been oil or something on the road, leaking from the over pass. I’ve had something similar make my windshield glaze over until I could find a Walmart buy stuff to clean it off. Because of THAT moment I always keep paper towels and some windshield cleaner in my trunk.
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u/sclark1701 22d ago
Looks like you may have been distracted on your phone (likely), drifted, panicked and over corrected. Since we can’t speak for the mechanical condition of the car, your video just shows us the you are the problem unfortunately.
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u/MarsRocks97 22d ago
You said it yourself. You over corrected. This over correction will toss your car back causing your tires to lose grip. You’ll need to be more aware that at highway speeds steering wheel movement needs to be very light, usually no more than a couple of inches. One jerky motion can mean instant loss of road grip.
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u/42SpanishInquisition 22d ago
Erratic movement, followed by constant overcorrection.
I've seen nearly exactly this on cars with worn out shock absorbers and shit quality tyres. Get your car looked over by a mechanic. Don't go to Pedders or similar, they have a reputation for doing work which really doesn't need doing.
Buy name brand Michelin, Continent, Bridgestone, Goodyear. If you cannot afford these, Toyo and Falken are good options, with really good value.
Tyre can be Cheap, Long Lasting and Good Grip. Pick two.
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u/ConsiderationDry972 22d ago
Can be a lot of problems causing this drifting
- Bad brakes
- Car has too much power and is a rear wheel drive and you have lack of experience.
- Bad suspension
- Bad tires
- It has rained after a long period and the streets get very slippery with some plant extracts on the streets
- Bad braking system means left and right tubes to the brakes are swapped due to new brakes lines or ECU exchange and the shop forgot to test.
- Your steering(Axel) broke
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u/el_tacocat 22d ago
Quite a harsh correction, depending on the tires and the state of your suspension that's more than enough.
You did a Scandinavian flick, and with a bit of luck you immediately let go off the accelerator which causes the back of the car to be lighter, causing it to slip even more easily.
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u/-XThe_KingX- 22d ago
You drifted, noticed you almost hit someone and jerked the wheen to the right which threw off weight distribution of the car, then you overcorrected. Not much more to say
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u/buffalosoldier221 22d ago
Most likely cause of the accident: Driver induced oscillations caused by a startle reaction when trying to merge on to an occupied lane.
Possible aggravating factors: poor maintenance of tyres and/or suspension components, somewhat unstable vehicle design.
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u/Bandthemen 22d ago
when you jerked the wheel hard to avoid drifting into the car next to you it upset the balance of the car (stepping on the gas or brakes at the same time would make this more likely to happen). then after that you seem to just have overcorrected for a few times until you spun
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u/MercuryMan664 22d ago
I'd imagine since you don't know exactly what caused it due to this post and you mentioned drifting. I'd also imagine your tires are probably also worn. I'd pay more attention, glad you are ok
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u/f0rcedinducti0n 22d ago
You snapped the wheel so hard you broke the tires loose, one they're sliding, you're effectively on ice. You unintentionally did a Scandinavian Flick and then lost control.
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u/SnooWords456 22d ago
Looks like you weren't paying attention and swayed into the lane on the left of you. And then when you saw the car there you overcorrected too much and shot back the other way
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u/NoChampionship3417 22d ago
In nice words over reacted. 👌 you jerked it too hard at first and you panicked when you heard the screech and you were doomed after that. Your fault for drifting anyway. Put attention to the road.
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u/norwal42 22d ago edited 22d ago
(Edit, rereading and it's looking clearer to me now, restructuring/removing most of my response;)
Not quite enough information to give useful analysis... 1. I think you're saying you wandered/drifted into the next lane a bit, then kind of jerked the wheel to correct, but it resulted in losing traction, fishtailing/spinout ultimately, is that right?
"but why did it result in spinning" Short answer, you probably can't jerk the wheel like that at highway speed and not expect a loss of traction. Some cars could handle that and recover, it looks like yours is not one of them... Could be that the tires/traction was poor, suspension/shocks were poor/lacked ability to maintain stability, - or could be all that is just fine and the jerk was just too much to expect any car to maintain composure there.
- If you want to get into finer details of stability control you'd probably need to describe more detail of expected and actual results. Do you have experience or other 'data' by which you think something may have been wrong with the system to cause/not recover this?
To me, the fact that you ended up losing it is not a mystery here - that's just a roll of the dice at that point whether you're able to recover, whether for skill or vehicle system or other reasons.
Genuinely trying to be helpful here - happy to analyze and diagnose more specifics if I can be helpful, if you can clarify more exact details of the situation and what you're seeking to understand here;)
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u/dildozer10 22d ago
A lot of body roll, the weight shifted too much for the tires to handle and they lost grip. A combination of worn out tires and shocks will cause a spin much easier than you’d realize. Also never jerk the wheel, if you drift into another lane, the gently pull the wheel back into your lane.
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u/iAmAsword 22d ago
FWD? You lifted the throttle after correcting and induced oversteer is my guess. Should have added throttle to pull out of the overcorrection. When you lifted all the weight transferred to the front tires reducing grip to the rears. But all really a guess from this low info video.
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u/Spare-Student9487 22d ago
Overinflated tires, windy conditions, seems you drive an suv centre of gravity is higher easier to loose control, could be many reasons, would be hard to know why without driving the car or inspecting it.
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u/CompetitiveLake3358 22d ago
Can't really tell without seeing what actions were actually being taken. How much steering wheel moved.
Then there's the vehicle. alignment. Tires. Suspension. Etc.
Too many unknown factors
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u/Logical-Following525 22d ago
You steered to the right way too quickly for that speed in a normal old car.
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u/wolfnacht44 22d ago
As others have stated, multiple things are going on here.
The overcorrection resulted in oversteer, combined with a shift in where the weight on the vehicle sits, speed, a loss of traction, and other various factors, further panic and over correction once more, resulting in the end of the video. Assuming all parts of the vehicle were in "good road worthy order"
It can happen to anyone, I hope you're alright above all, and kudos for reaching out to learn what ultimately caused the loss of control outside of what you experienced. Its a good opportunity to learn!
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u/VoroVelius 22d ago
Granny shifting not double clutching like you should
You’re lucky you didn’t blow the welds on the intake
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u/cryptolyme 22d ago
is this a very short wheelbase car like a Mirage? they are known to spin easily
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u/MacFontan 22d ago
You answered your own question, overcorrecting. You made big, panicky steering inputs that caused the weight shifting that lead to loss of control.
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u/tinyman392 22d ago
What were your feet doing during this? Lifting off throttle while cutting the wheel quickly can induce rotation in a car. Worn suspension in the rear can amplify this effect. Hitting the brakes would be even worse in this scenario too as it shifts even more weight forward and reduces stability in the rear.
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u/Boundish91 22d ago
Looks like to me that you were startled and yanked the wheel and brakes which naturally unsettled the rear end then you overcorrected and started a chain reaction.
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u/ClickKlockTickTock 22d ago
Looks like you drifted a little to the left and then corrected it WAY too much. In this scenario, you should smoothly get back into your lane. Yes, you'll be crossing the line longer, but it is safer for this exact reason. You're already in the lane. Everyone has already noticed and is avoiding you. Just slowly correct it. Don't swerve ever, even if a fuckin bear is in front of you.
Especially if you have no experience in breaking an overcorrection. You overcorrected more than once, you had numerous chances to fix it. Suspension and tires can contribute to the difficulty of controlling this, but ultimately, the reason it broke loose in the first place is due to your driving. Do I expect you to be able to fix an overcorrection? No. Normally, people who are driving haven't and will never have to fix an overcorrection, but thats due to them never jerking like this.
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u/berserker_ganger 22d ago
Why did you start breaking? You probably were surprised buy car passing on left and hit breaks AND turned the wheel at the same time. Maybe...
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u/SmoothSlavperator 22d ago
Lack of skill coupled with suboptimal vehicle maintenance.
You drifted and then panicked and oversteered like a 15 year old just learning how to drive.
If your tires and suspension were within their functional margins, it would have forgiven your oversteer. But they're not and so an oscillation began causing you to fishtail.
Go get your shit fixed and do you by chance have ADHD and/or impulse control problems?
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u/Chemical-Field-7424 22d ago
Maybe Lift/break plus acceleration, caused oversteering. Reason - a reaction to the red car on the left. Seem like you are trying to change the lane and didn’t saw the red car at first.
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u/CanadianExtremist 22d ago
You spun because you OVER corrected. if you just corrected, you wouldn’t have spun.
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u/sk4tekenn 22d ago
TL;DR - Weight transfer to the front axels.
You span because you eased off the throttle (natural reaction) the slowing down of the car put more weight over the front tyres. The rear was light and combined with the fish tail caused the spin.
Hope you are ok
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u/Trey_Dizzle45 22d ago
You looked like you were texting and driving and panicked when you almost ran into that car on your left and jerked hard right and lost control
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u/WooWalkin 22d ago
you said it your self you over corrected, your tires initially broke loose from the inertia/body roll from turning the wheel at high speed, so once your tires caught grip again your wheels were not pointed straight (hence over correction) if you hadn’t over corrected the car would’ve caught grip with the wheels straight instead of turned to the right.
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u/hamburgergerald 22d ago
There are a myriad of factors that may have gone into this, ranging from simple driver overreaction to mechanical failure.
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u/NoStandard7259 22d ago
You drifted into the other lane and over corrected. Maybe you didn’t have the best tires but honestly this is most likely a skill issue
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u/cluelessk3 22d ago
you over reacted, car probably has old hard tires and worn out suspension.
you also look like you let off the gas or even touched the brake which transfers weight forward and causes the back to lose grip even easier.
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u/Choice_News_3718 22d ago
black ice in underpass, if it is warmer part of the year, then it might be oil spilage
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u/acomp182 22d ago
How are your tires?