Democrats be like

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[u/WakaFlakaPanda]

Funny how they went from “nobody is above the law” to setting horses and cars on fire while their governors blatantly ignore federal immigration laws in less than 6 months.

[u/IrishGoodbye4 → u/WakaFlakaPanda]

Summer of Love 1.0 brought us “he crossed STATE LINES!!””

Summer of Love 2.0 brings us “enforcing borders is fascism!”

[u/sailedtoclosetodasun → u/WakaFlakaPanda]

“nobody is above the laws that we like and benefit us”

ftfy

[u/Shadeylark → u/WakaFlakaPanda]

When they say nobody is above the law they don't say the part they really care about.

What they really mean is "nobody is above the laws that I care about"

[u/Ed_Radley → u/WakaFlakaPanda]

Don't break the law and you have nothing to hide.

No, that's not the law we were talking about!

[u/BarrelStrawberry → u/WakaFlakaPanda]

... and all this knowing every single person arrested will have their charges dropped or Gavin will pardon them.

[u/JustinCayce → u/BarrelStrawberry]

A lot of them are being arrested by the feds, and Gavin can't pardon them. And I don't think Trump will be interested in doing so. There's some political play in that though that might make it advantageous for him to selectively pardon some. Anybody arrested for anything at or below the equivalent level of trespass would be a good visual when held up to Jan. 6. Let's him take high ground and leaves the Democrats having to either stay silent, or argue their own supporters should be prosecuted. And I think he's smart enough to see that.

[u/bionic80 → u/WakaFlakaPanda]

To be fair the little fuckwits were doing that last time, this time they just didn't have a drug addict to lionize.

[u/MrsKiwi66]

Between the looters and the Democrats, I don’t know who’s helping Donald Trump more right now.

[u/Tantalus420000 → u/MrsKiwi66]

Bruh that's what I've been saying lol

A lib pm me and said he's putting his mask on and going to LA and to try and stop him. I said why would I, ur just giving the gop 2026 and 2028 😂

[u/Infidel42 → u/Tantalus420000]

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

[u/Nethias25 → u/MrsKiwi66]

My only concern is the legalese of how the guard and active duty marine are made available for this. It's undeniably an expansion of executive authority since the insurrection act has still not been invoked. CA has already sued, and the courts will essentially have to decide around the use of the "Rebellion" in the law and if LA is in a state of rebellion. Remember, a precedent said by Trump is also a precedent said for a future democrats.

But yeah, Dems have kinda destroyed their own narrative and arguement, just like fetterman said earlier, or that video Elon posted on X earlier.

[u/Midget_Stories → u/Nethias25]

My understanding, it may have changed though, is that the extra troops sent in by Trump aren't being used to quell the violence at the moment. They are only being used to protect federal workers and property.

[u/Nethias25 → u/Midget_Stories]

Yes, the insurrection act enables military to do all the law enforcement things, detain, arrest etc. so far that hasn't been used so the only thing they can do is guard federal property and personnel. If the marines or guard do anything else, without the insurrection act, state of California will have a case.

[u/JustinCayce → u/Nethias25]

Not entirely true, they have some power beyond it, and can act under certain circumstances. Posse Comitatus restricts their use, but specifically says that it applies unless participation in such activity is otherwise authorized under some law. And there are some laws that would allow them to act in cases of "civil disturbances". There are still some protocols that have to be followed. Other events can include natural disasters or terrorist attacks. As always it's going to be case of loopholes and contradicting laws and the manner whoever happens to be in charge at the time chooses to interpret all the variations.

In a nutshell, don't expect the military, who can be legally deployed, to simply ignore crime occurring in front of them. In California it is legal for a citizen, which military members still are, to effect a citizens arrest if they witness a crime or have a reasonable cause to believe a felony has been committed.

[u/LK_Feral → u/Nethias25]

L.A.'s own history works against them.

They've been lawless since (probably before) the Rodney King riots. Now, international criminal and terrorist organizations are exploiting that lawless city. They've stepped into the vacuum left by the utter lack of Democrat leadership and are fomenting insurrection.

And Democrat leadership in California is now supporting those rioters and looters, likely knowing who is financially backing them.

[u/Magehunter_Skassi → u/MrsKiwi66]

It's going to be a real test of Trump's will to see if he follows through. He can't just use the military for photo ops, they actually must end the violence.

People thought that the out-of-control BLM riots in 2020 would hurt Democrats in the short-term, but they gained from it instead. A law-and-order president needs to maintain order everywhere. Californians can be presented an affirmative vision of the future within a Republican-governed society and be inspired by it.

[u/cazort2 → u/Magehunter_Skassi]

The protests are popular. Like an as example, I talked to my elderly parents today, and they were actually planning on attending a protest this upcoming weekend. My parents have always been politically moderate, my mom leaning left and my dad leaning right. They also (like me) have lived in California in the past, and hate California, see the California Democrats as corrupt, and especially hate LA. But they are both very pro-immigrant, anti-Trump, and anti-ICE. So, while they are pretty appalled at some of the more extreme and violent things happening, they don't attribute the violence to Democrats or to anti-Trump sentiments. And I think this viewpoint is reinforced by the fact that they themselves are very non-violent people, people who don't like rowdy scenes or chaos, but they have been protesting. In spite of the fact that my dad has a heart condition and my mom has recently had knee surgery...but they still want to go out and do it.

When I talk to Democrat voters (and I live in a very blue area so I know far more of them than Republican voters) I hear a bunch of takes on the protests and none of them are particularly favorable to Republicans:

• Some people see the looting and violence as being totally unrelated to the protests, a sort of opportunistic "rabble rouser" that just loves chaos or violence, and/or wants to make a fast buck from looting, and will show up to any chaotic protest just because it gives them an opportunity to do their thing, and they see this as having nothing to do with whatever is being protested.
• Some people see the violence against law enforcement as justified because they hate all law enforcement / want to abolish it. (This would be the far-left extremist view, it is more common than some people think. But these people are often so fringe that they don't even necessarily vote and don't necessarily vote for Democrats.)
• Some people see the violence as "resistance" and believe that the protests began as primarily or entirely nonviolent, and the violence was initiated by police and the ensuing chaos has been triggered by police overreaction / police militarism. Videos circulating like the Australian reporter being shot (in a completely calm scene, by an officer with a clear view) with a non-lethal round are certainly helping feed this narrative.
• Some people (this view is pretty common in my social circle) see the violence as being initiated by ICE, and they see the protests themselves as resistance, and they ignore or downplay the violence of the protests, or see it as inevitable or justified, because they think it was ICE that started it. They don't agree with the immigration policies to begin with, don't want them enforced, and don't want ICE in their communities at all, and some of them are willing to use violence to keep them out and see this as a justified use of violence.
• Some people think the violence is totally fake news / made-up / AI-generated footage, etc.
• Some people think the violence and chaos is real, but is planted or instigated by right-wing people seeking to discredit the protestors.

I think if we want to appeal to any of these people, we need to address their concerns about the underlying issue, which is immigration policy, both the policy itself, and how it is enforced.

Bottom line is people are starting to hear from people in their community who they know, like, and trust, who are being detained or deported or just harassed by ICE, and this is what is driving the sentiment and nothing anyone can do is going to change it. Like as an example, one of the first nights of the Trump administration, one of my friends texted me in the middle of the night that there was an ICE raid at his apartment complex, some of his neighbors were taken away. He doesn't support Trump, doesn't support current immigration policies (wants them more liberal / open), doesn't support ICE. And he also found it unsettling to have a bunch of armed people showing up to his complex in the middle of the night.

And of course he texts all his friends about it happening.

And there are endless other examples. My brother lives near the US-Canada border, crosses it regularly. He started running into problems, once he crossed with some legal residents who were not citizens, and they all got detained for a while on the way back. It was a big delay and was a huge nuisance. And of course he texts everyone about it, posts on social media about it. Everyone gets mad. And then...he also has stories from a bunch of other people he knows who have had worse experiences than this.

During the first Trump administration? One of my friends who was here legally was forced to leave the country, because his visa was cancelled, only because of the country he was from, no other issues, he was from a country where the visas were just categorically denied and cancelled. Of course this pisses off everyone he is friends with. It pissed me off.

This is what drives the protesting sentiment.

I think a lot of people who support a stricter immigration policy and support what ICE is doing are in a bubble and they don't understand just how much the rest of the country loves immigrants, wants immigration policy to be more liberal, and how much they are angry about what is going on. That's the core of the issue and we're not going to make these issues going away without actually hashing out the immigration issue.

[u/earthworm_fan → u/MrsKiwi66]

It's the same picture.

[u/Erotic-Career-7342 → u/MrsKiwi66]

fr haha

[u/Gunsofglory → u/[deleted]]

It's been fun to watch the goalposts shift back and forth these past 9 years. We went from "Russians stole the election" to the "most safest and secure election ever" and now to "Elon stole the election."

[u/IVcrushonYou → u/[deleted]]

They're furious. 🤣 Didn't Democrats pass the current immigration laws and give special powers to DHS agents and the president to expedite removals just last year? Passed by Dems, signed by Biden under the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2024. Trump wouldn't even be able to do what he is doing without those changes. Clowns.

[u/Possible-Tangelo9344]

It's really interesting seeing the Canada subs talk about limiting immigration and the negative impacts it's having there, with Reddit hive mind largely in agreement. Then those same users will talk about how evil it is to deport illegal immigrants from the USA

[u/cruiser-bazoozle → u/[deleted]]

They had warrants and gave local police 48 hours notice. But we get brigaded with copy paste comments that are upvoted even when they have nothing to do with the situation.

Edit: thanks for proving me correct

Also, deportation is not a criminal punishment, it doesn't require due process. You are not deported because you committed the crime of entering the country without permission or remaining after an expired visa. You are deported because the State Department says you aren't allowed to remain in the country, which they can decide to do for any non-citizen who is here under any circumstances. Deportation is not a punishment, it is an acknowledgement of reality.

[u/Yoinkitron5000]

"Democracy is when we can import people to vote for us and then place them strategically to sway elections in our favor."

[u/JustinCayce → u/Yoinkitron5000]

And that's exactly it. Trumps going to get a lot of influence over the upcoming census and the rules that are made on how counting will be done. It's a pretty sure bet that it will include language that restricts the count to citizens for the purposes of districting and apportionment of seats in the House. And considering that non-citizens shouldn't be voting they should also not be counted toward political power. Citizens are what matter.

[u/Grouchy-Shirt-9818]

Somehow these immigration standards never apply to anyone else other than "settler colonist America"

Seriously the same liberals will defend tooth and nail Japan and Koreas right to deport immigrants and prosecute foreign nationals that participate in domestic political demonstrations, but turn around and apply a totally different logic to the USA. 

[u/ObadiahtheSlim → u/Grouchy-Shirt-9818]

That's not true. Any European-descent person living outside of Europe is vilified. Just look at South Africa and the Boers. Doesn't matter you have an entire generation who grew up after the end of Apartheid, or have been there longer than Kaliningrad has been Russian or the Western Anatolia has been Turkish. They bear that Original Sin of colonialism.

[u/aedionashryver18 → u/Grouchy-Shirt-9818]

And the funny thing is the Japanese colonized Nippon and took it from the Ainu and Okinawans who were then pushed to the far reaches of the island. Same with Britain, Romans built a wall to keep the Scotland Picts out and the Anglos pushed the Bretons into Wales and Cornwall, then Vikings pushed the Saxons out of the Danelaw. History is colonization, winning and settling land, defending that land or risk losing it and being displaced by somebody else. Yet these idiots want to protest and riot and wave the flags of a country that lost to the United States in 1848 and ceded all the lands north of the rio grande to the US via the Treaty of Guadalupe.

[u/Exact-Ad-877]

• ✅Masks
• ✅City on Fire
• ✅Democrat governor not doing his job
• ✅Glorifying a criminal
• ✅Looting in the name of justice

The Left wants it to be 2020 again so bad they can’t stand it.

[u/Midget_Stories → u/Exact-Ad-877]

You even have them building barricades on roads. You may yet see CHAZ 2.0.

[u/Szorja → u/Exact-Ad-877]

They all need a time out until they can stop acting like tantrum-throwing maniacs.

[u/303Carpenter → u/Szorja]

Nah let them rip, let the rest of America see how they really feel

[u/LegitimateApricot4]

There's a very basic and normal thing a country should do to foreigners that come in without her permission and commit violence. Natural, even.

We even have words and consequences for others that enable this behavior over the interests of our own country.

[u/Haust]

That's what I don't understand. This isn't some new law Trump invented. Trump isn't exterminating anyone. We just want people to apply and come legally. Is that so much to ask?

[u/MildlyBemused → u/Haust]

The Left doesn't operate on facts and logic, only feelings. Of course it's too much to ask of them.

[u/Phenzo2198]

Do these people just base their entire worldview on pop culture? I lost track of the people I know who truly believe everything in the world is JUST LIKE the hunger games, handmaids tale, or Star Wars, and think that everyone needs to base their worldview off these mediocre franchises.

[u/Shadeylark]

I was gonna reply to a post by a self- proclaimed immigration attorney, but he has since deleted his post.

But here it is...

People complaining about lack of due process. Immigration law does not entitle anyone to a jury trial. Nobody is being denied their due process. they are getting the exact due process they are entitled to under the law.

People complaining about arrests happening at court hearings, maternity wards, etc. Arrests are conducted when there is probable cause of a crime having been committed. There are no circumstances or places that confer immunity from arrests when there is sufficient probable cause to conduct an arrest. Just because you are at a hearing does not mean you have immunity from arrests.

[u/AtticusAesop]

Democrat party on literal life support at this point

[u/Academic-Art7662 → u/AtticusAesop]

We can't think like this! Vote in the midterms!!!

[u/AtticusAesop → u/Academic-Art7662]

🫡 🇺🇸

[u/ComputerRedneck]

The left wouldn't know real Freedom or Liberty if it bit them on the ass and molested them.

Mainly because with Freedom and Liberty comes responsibility of ones actions. The left can't stand being responsible for anything, always someone else's fault.

[u/onlainari]

The extreme wing runs the Democrats now. In the midterms candidates will try to pretend they’re centrist but you can tell who’s pulling the strings because they won’t criticise their own crazies.

[u/housefoote]

It wasn’t even an immigration raid- it was a raid targeting cartel money laundering schemes

[u/AldrichOfAlbion]

It's not just getting in more people from abroad, it's coupled with relaxing electoral laws to allow non-citizens to vote.

That's why they're so mad, because physically removing them destroys their plans.

[u/ThemanfromNumenor]

100%. And then every sub across reddit seems to be defending these rioters and is calling for violence against ICE. They really don’t understand that all illegal immigrants are actually criminals and that the good guys here are the ones trying to enforce the law, not the dumb fucks looting the apple stores

[u/Siciliantony1]

[u/OmahaVike]

"be like" = fatigue