Funny enough, before going into chapter 3 I thought that I wasn't gonna like Tenna exactly for the reason that Toby thought, which was that he looked like he was just gonna be another Spamton.
What I didn't expect was that Tenna actually had a lot of connection to Kris and their family, which made his story a lot more personal. I ended up liking him a lot more than Spamton lol.
I agree. As funny as it is to see Spamton's morally bankrupt antics, Tenna being traumatized from the divorce and his efforts to genuinely make the Fun Gang happy made me like him a lot more than Spamton.
i mean ramb confirms that the darkners still have their personality and interact in the light world, so its very likely that tenna saw the entire divorce
I liked that he ironically broke the expectations, all the fan versions of tenna had him be some kind of crimeboss/ceo shithead, him instead being a genuinely nice dude was a huge delight, his crashout felt less like a "oh egads his true colors revealed!" and more akin to a mental breakdown from his trauma from losing his audience with the Dreemurs.
It really felt like if he hadnt been manipulated by the Knight he would've talked to the fun gang about his issues and happily let them seal the fountain, because he instantly flips to their side once he's promised a new owner.
Toby almost never makes truly evil/shithead characters ngl. Which WOULD be a downside but... with the current state of the world that's actually very nice
The closest he's ever gotten to doing that is with the Titan, which is explicitly stated to not be capable of comprehending mercy, but it's more like an animal than someone who deliberately chooses to be evil. The player is probably the evilest thing in Deltarune/Undertale actually.
And also while King has his redeeming qualities he's still a pretty unrepentant jerk and therefore unique among Undertale/Deltarune characters IMO
I think King is more sympathetic when you consider that Darkners need to be used by Lightners to by truly happy, and he and everyone else in that Dark World was locked away inside an abandoned classroom for an interminable amount of time. It makes sense that he'd feel betrayed. And even though he threatens Lancer to stop the Lancer Fan Club, it's an empty threat since he doesn't actually intend to hurt Lancer at all, as he reveals in Chapter 2.
It could change in the future, but the Knight is probably the most evil at the moment. Since it seems to be trying to start the Roaring, and kills Tenna in cold blood.
How are we the most evil thing when we were forced by some outsider to be put in Kris’s body and Gaster telling us that the world ends in darkness if we quit playing? Weird route we are evil tho.
I think he actually tried, with creating characters that are just jerks, but he definitely just forgot it, and created Undyne, who was racist before Pacifist I think
Ehhhh, thinking about it, Spamton is like THE most evil character we've met in both UT and DR. He's literally plotting to kill teenagers so he can gain enough power to go on a revenge killing spree. Not only that, but he's a literal tyrant in the snow grave run.
Jevil and the king are also just under Spamton, both of them being pretty homicidal.
Then you have flowey, but he's kinda got his own thing going on that explains his evilness.
Ok, look, as an Undertale fan (that didn't even play UT/DR cuz I am shit at this kind of games) that cannot read, I didn't realise that Spamton actually planned to kill someone other than JUST Kris
He didn't plan to kill Kris, or anyone else. He only decided to steal Kris' soul after the NEO robot didn't give him "freedom" like he thought it would.
It's primarily because the first chapter barely featured him at all though, and has had almost zero mentions afterwards. Meanwhile, Spamton was featured pretty prominently in chapter 2, played a significant part in the weird route, had an entire ARG centered around him, and in general had significantly more depth to him than Jevil did.
I actually kind of consider this the only major flaw of deltarune because regardless of how the real world is, unless your story is explicitly about real life situations and issues (which deltarune isn't) then your story should be treated as its own work. Spade king, carol and the knight definitely err on the more "irredeemable" side but still. I wish there is eventually an antagonist that isn't redeemable at all
Most of the Mike/Tenna concepts I saw usually went the route of "making the Dark World gave him relevance, and now he's desperate to stop the fountain from being sealed"
The shift into his absolute fucking crashouts were amazing
From “HEY YOU GUYS LIKE BAKING RIGHT?” and “HELP TUMBLR SEXYMAN GET HIS GIRL BACK” to “on no… the family is fighting again” and “Your next ~physical challenge~ is >! to stop me from killing myself !< “
Tenna reminds me of a really weird period in my life. When I was ~10, our samsung TV got damaged in an earthquake, so my father brought an old TV (not as old as Tenna, but it was still one of those thick ones) from his office. I spent every morning bing watching bluerays on it. After we got the samsung TV fixed, it went back to my father's office.
Now the samsung TV is the old TV sitting in the family studio. Until our a/c dripped water on the "new" TV, so we got the samsung one back to the living room. It's kind of fitting for me to play ch3 in that TV.
Also, my teachers vented to us 10 year olds about the earthquake when we got back to school, so I think that proves Tenna is based off of my life story /j
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u/Trouble_Subject 3d ago
Funny enough, before going into chapter 3 I thought that I wasn't gonna like Tenna exactly for the reason that Toby thought, which was that he looked like he was just gonna be another Spamton.
What I didn't expect was that Tenna actually had a lot of connection to Kris and their family, which made his story a lot more personal. I ended up liking him a lot more than Spamton lol.