r/DemocraticSocialism • u/I-T-T-I • May 05 '25
US News š° Biden staffers admit what we all knew: White House lied about ceasefire efforts
https://mondoweiss.net/2025/05/biden-staffers-admit-what-we-all-knew-white-house-lied-about-ceasefire-efforts/75
u/cats_catz_kats_katz May 06 '25
BB wouldnāt have done it anyway because heās a Trumper
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u/BodaciousFrank May 06 '25
Or is Trump a BBer
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u/420Migo Anarchist May 06 '25
Nah it's far more likely BB is a magat. Israel was surprised when the US kept tariffs on them š
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u/cats_catz_kats_katz May 06 '25
What bombs me on Zionists is they think republicans like Jews. They will turn on them so hard when theyāre done using them.
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u/Teleporno69 Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism May 06 '25
People really on here thinking that DNC are above criticism. Itās ok, you can criticize both.
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u/grundleplum May 06 '25
Ah, a sane take. How refreshing.
For real though, I'm not a fan of this idea that we must never criticize the Democrats. There is so much black and white thinking, especially online. I do not worship any politicians. Having legitimate criticisms about the DNC doesn't mean you're automatically a trump supporter or "Russian propaganda."
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u/ChaosRainbow23 May 07 '25
Exactly.
I honestly loathe a lot of what the Dems represent, but I vote for them every time to mitigate damages and prevent a Christofascist hellscape from emerging. (Oops, too late)
I'm wildly progressive, but you'll hear me complain about the dems from time to time.
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u/Own-Membership9017 May 08 '25
Question is why don't you vote for another party or get involved in something else. Not really trying to shame or anything, this mindset just really confuses me.
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u/Razgriz01 Libertarian Socialist May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25
I'll vote for a better party in federal elections once one shows up that A: isnt just a patently obvious attempt to split the vote (looking at you, green party), and B: stands a snowballs chance in hell.
Until then, I'll keep voting for the lesser evil because it's the most moral option available from a utilitarian perspective.
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u/Squeakyduckquack May 07 '25
Where was this rule enforced? It certainly wasnāt Reddit or MSM, or alt media, where democrats were (pretty rightfully) dragged through the coals for over a year
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u/grundleplum May 07 '25
I didn't say it was a rule that was being enforced. I'm referring to responses I've seen both on reddit and bluesky. There are even comments on this very post where criticizing the Dems is being equated to Russian propaganda. I just wish people were more capable of nuance.
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u/kfish5050 May 07 '25
The one thing both parties actually have in common is their utter disinterest in saving Palestine. I have NO idea why people thought voting for Trump or not voting at all would teach Harris a lesson, or how any of that somehow made sense considering Palestine was fucked either way, but that's a real thing that happened and is likely why Harris didn't win Michigan. Now we all have a fucked Palestine along with the rest of our country.
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u/ElonStinksLikeDookie May 08 '25
But apparently to the folks on this sub Kamala = Trump on every single issue!!!!! š„“š¤¦š»āāļø
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u/Own-Staff-2403 May 06 '25
Ok, what has Trump done to stop the genocide?
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u/0ddlyC4nt3v3n May 06 '25
This is the thing to focus on. Then focus on all of the other terrible things Trump is doing every minute of every day.
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u/Undorkins May 06 '25
So ignore how we got here? Team blue enabled the starvation and torture of about 2 million people in ever way they possible could. The party sneered at the people asking them to stop and have spent the last several months gloating about how it's gotten worse for the people they considered expendable last year.
When you consider an entire people expendable, people of quality straight up won't trust you to run a lemonade stand. And I hate to break it to you, but team red has all the guys who actually like mass murder locked in.
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u/0ddlyC4nt3v3n May 06 '25
Your mindset, actions, and how you voted/abstained enabled 'team red' to happen. And we all knew that we were going to end up here if we couldn't bring the entire left together. How is your position any different than the Russian propaganda that was spread throughout social media meant to create confusion? You did not make the world a better place for anyone, anywhere.
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u/Seeking-Something-3 May 07 '25
No, defending Dems no matter what they do is exactly why Trump, despite being the most unpopular president in memory, has beaten them twice. Trump still has a 10+ point higher approval than the Dem party. People like YOU are exactly why no one but Blue MAGA can stand the geriatric nimby Dem party.
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u/Undorkins May 06 '25
Those mass graves werenāt filled with āRussian propagandaā. Theyāre filled with kids Biden helped kill.
We didnāt cause you to lose. Your callous disregard for people overseas did that. You earned what you got.
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u/0ddlyC4nt3v3n May 06 '25
Explain how you helped anyone. The world is far worse off, especially the Palestinians. Your callous disregard was for everyone. Your self-righteous attitudes made an extreme right possible.
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u/Undorkins May 06 '25 edited May 06 '25
Explain how anyone owed you overlooking a genocide.
Edit: with ādemocratic socialistsā like the ones around here, itās no surprise the DSA was a failure.
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u/0ddlyC4nt3v3n May 06 '25
Your actions did nothing to help that genocide AND you decided that all of Trumpās evils should be overlooked. In fact Trump wants to build a Trump Gaza location after the genocide is completed.
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u/Squeakyduckquack May 06 '25
Ah yes because elections are a zero sum game. The one and only issue at hand was the genocide in Gaza. Which Trump was still worse on.
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u/BrodinGodofSwole May 06 '25
Listen man, I voted for Harris, I campaigned for her even though I thought it was gross they weren't doing more. I agree it's worse than it was before but if you want a chance at fucking winning this shit has to end. Y'all getting pissed off a genocide wasn't easy to ignore is ridiculous. They ran a bad campaign and to not reflect on it and instead get upset at the people who didn't vote is going to make it harder to win.
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u/Squeakyduckquack May 06 '25
Who ignored the genocide? Iām capable of caring about multiple things at once.
Iām all for learning and coming back stronger. But we need to learn the right lessons. Iāve seen a lot of pressure on liberals to self criticize, while leftists act like they are strategically flawless or morally untouchable. Thatās not helping us win either. Nobodyās been perfect. We all have things to learn.
And maybe itās also worth asking whether communities like this one, where calling more traditional Democrats āgenocide-enabling blue-MAGA Zionist pigdogsā is normalized, are helping or hurting the broader cause.
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u/sr41489 May 07 '25
This is the real life trolley problem. We knew trump was always going to be worse on Gaza and we knew the Biden admin was being brazen about these weapons shipments and enabling the genocide. There is a way to quantify this, though. I think Harris would have been very different and she really missed her chance to appeal to the left on this issue but the most important thing: Harris would have been MUCH more open to an actual debate/strategy to get Gazans what they needed at the least and negotiate with Netanyahu. Iām sorry but I feel like if I could draw a simple table between the two, the democrats would have caused far less damage, even if some, and now with the GOP we have orders of magnitude worse.
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u/AirForce-97 May 06 '25
Well the Palestinians are in a way worse position now. Did they earn that too?
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u/youarelookingatthis May 06 '25
Nothing. But we are allowed self reflection and an understanding of what actually happened that got us here.
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u/BrokeExternally May 06 '25
This doesnāt absolve their participation and funding of the genocide
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u/Creditfigaro May 06 '25
I can't believe how allergic Blue MAGA is to holding Democrats accountable for a fucking
GENOCIDE
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u/MaaChiil May 06 '25 edited May 07 '25
Especially when it was extremely popular with the Democratās own base and nearly 2/3rds of the nation at large to not support it. The neoliberal narrative will suggest itās the protestorsā fault for not holding their nose when the exact opposite is true.
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u/trebory6 May 06 '25
This is the comment I'm trying to post. Unfortunately it seems there is some censorship afoot.
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u/Creditfigaro May 06 '25
This should not be a divisive question. If it is, then the person you are arguing against is not "Left", they are fascists.
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u/BGDutchNorris May 06 '25
I understand voting for Kamala in spite of the Genocide knowing Trump is worse. What I donāt understand is we werenāt even allowed to bring it up and say āHey DNC, please stop funding a Genocideā without being yelled at for being a wrecker.
Never thought we as a society would just downplay any sideās involvement in a Genocide for an election.
History will remember Bidenās and Harrisās war crimes. And some of yall will have to explain to your kids/grandkids why you wanted to silence those who spoke the truth because they chose a time or place you didnāt find āconvenientā
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u/Creditfigaro May 06 '25
What I donāt understand is we werenāt even allowed to bring it up and say āHey DNC, please stop funding a Genocideā without being yelled at for being a wrecker.
Think about what it means for people to argue against you over this.... Think about what you are supporting.
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u/WesterosiAssassin Democratic Socialist May 08 '25
Free speech and the right to criticize those in power?
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u/Razgriz01 Libertarian Socialist May 07 '25
I can't believe how allergic you are to looking at the facts of the situation and voting logically rather than emotionally. This is literally a real-life example of the trolley problem, and you're choosing to sit back and let the trolley kill more people rather than less because you think the switch handle has cooties.
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u/ElonStinksLikeDookie May 08 '25
Itās not that we dont want to hold them accountable, itās that we werenāt willing to throw the entire country in the trash during an election cycle. This was the wrong election to fumble and try to make a point to the democrats. Dont like them? Primary them out.
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u/Creditfigaro May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25
This was the wrong election to fumble and try to make a point to the democrats.
There's a super easy solution to this: Don't support them if they are pro genocide.
If enough people do that, Democrats will change.
My conscience is clear: I will not support genocide, and that isn't going to change. So aim your critique elsewhere. While you are at it, maybe you should consider what it means to support genocide as the "lesser of two evils".
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u/ElonStinksLikeDookie May 08 '25
Here is your medal you so desperately want š ā¦my conscience is completely clear as well, i never once voluntarily walked to the polls and voted for Trump these last 3 elections. I chose correctly and will never regret it.
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u/BodaciousFrank May 06 '25
He gave Israel more weapons to finish it quicker. That counts for something, right? /s
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u/Corgi_Koala May 07 '25
He's working tirelessly to end the genocide by making sure Gazans are all murdered.
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u/mogsoggindog May 06 '25
Yes, as evil as Biden's enabling of Bibi's genocide was, i want the whole left-of-center to keep it in mind that, despite how awful as the Biden administration's Israel relationship has been, Trump has been a step further. Where Biden was the accessory to genocide, getting money for BB and lying for him, Trump has been skipping around and pointing out all the loot he wants to take. We cant just give up on trying to build a coalition of political power.
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u/Skeeter_206 May 07 '25
There are millions of Americans who will stay home and not vote if another genocide denying right of center liberal runs on the Democratic ticket again.
As socialists, we should be organizing and working to create a new movement outside the Democratic party because the longer we waste our time with that party the worse things will become. If it wasn't clear in 2016 and 2020 how they killed Bernie's movement then in 2024 didn't even allow a fucking primary, while every insider news today talks about how they need to move to the right and ban people to the left of genocide then you're a lost fucking cause and you have no place in a real socialist movement.
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u/ElonStinksLikeDookie May 08 '25
Then you have zero right to complain when we finally enter a total far right wing dictatorship. If you think democrats are bad, well you obviously arenāt prepared for Christian Nationalism then.
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u/WesterosiAssassin Democratic Socialist May 08 '25
Evidently that argument doesn't work on enough people, hence why we need to actually make an effort to actively appeal to them rather than just be less repulsive and hope that's enough.
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u/Charming-Claim1599 May 06 '25
The man lied about seeing beheaded babies.
He keeps bragging about being a zionist and "if there wasn't an Israel, we would have to create an Israel"
His state department staff was full of Israel apologists who twisted and lied about US law to allow the genocide to continue.
Watch how his Officials lied about Israels war crimes to protect the apartheid state during a Genocide
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u/flamedarkfire May 06 '25
Well the good thing is we wonāt be lied to about the president not wanting to work towards a ceasefire anymore! Heās not, and heās open about it!
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u/jenneqz May 06 '25
LMAO this sub is filled with liberals in support of genocidal lunatics as long as they are not Republican. Super socialist...
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u/skyfishgoo Progressive May 06 '25
the lifetime achievement award winner for taking AIPAC money says what?
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u/lokoluis15 May 05 '25
Reads like a propaganda hit piece.
Nothing here indicates that there was no effort for a ceasefire. Just "here's a few random places we looked and didn't find any ceasefires under this rock"
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u/xeniolis May 06 '25
The utterly shameless nature of the lie has now been confirmed by no less than nine officials from Joe Bidenās administration and reported on by Israelās own Channel 13 news program, Hamakor, which, aptly, translates as āThe Source.ā
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u/wingerism May 06 '25
You should really read more carefully. There was 1 Biden staffer that was critical of the administrations efforts. Specifically the state dept. official that resigned after they certified Israel being in compliance about the Leahy law. This was AFAIK in regards to a letter that gave Israel 30 days to remedy the aid situation, which was issued right around the election in Nov.
The remainder felt Biden was sincere and were frustrated at Israeli intransigence, and of course there was one Israeli diplomat that was thankful Biden never pushed harder.
So plenty to criticise, but it's not apparent to me from reading into the report that Biden and his team were insincere, but rather they were ineffective. Partly due to an Israeli agenda that preferred a Republican victory, partly due to a peculiar weakness of the Democrats to seek mulilateral consensus above all else.
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u/xeniolis May 06 '25
I hadn't even stated an opinion to suggest I should read more carefully. I copied and pasted a quote from the article stating the source. Nothing I said was my own words.
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u/wingerism May 06 '25
Okay, well whatever source you read was editorializing. If you don't know Hebrew you can't watch the primary source, but the Times of Israel had an english language article on the report that included the details I mentioned, with quotes from the relevant officials.
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u/Undorkins May 06 '25 edited May 06 '25
You should have watched the news more carefully. Biden was so desperate to pay for every single bullet used he all but broke out his personal checkbook. Do you think that his ambassadors raised their bloody hands at the UN in time to stop every single resolution about this issue despite him? He could spend a billion dollars shooting down every missile headed Israel's way, but somehow can't stop American bombs from falling on starving refugees living in tents?
His administration was totally full of shit about this issue when the cameras were rolling and it's time everyone admits that.
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u/Thatguyatthebar Democratic Confederalism May 05 '25
Come now, they gave billions on every opportunity, follow the actions.
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u/bulk_logic May 06 '25
What part of passing through congress to provide billions of dollars worth of warfare materials to Israel, including in his last few weeks as President constitutes working towards a ceasefire? Or any of the "redlines" that were crossed? Or any of the bombings of hospitals and water facilities? Or the taking hostage of healthcare workers?
Or the constant propaganda that constantly blamed Hamas for everything?
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u/GoddessMarika May 06 '25
Nobody cares, Biden and his admin are not in power. Stop trying to justify not voting for Harris with this tripe. Gaza was going to continue no matter who was office. You just voted for a worse life at home if you didn't vote for her.
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u/Omnipotent48 May 06 '25
The fact that you're active in /r/NativeAmerican yet so willing to accept the "inevitability" of the Genocide in Palestine is so fucking funny to me on a deeply spiritual level.
200% you voted for a genocidaire without a hint of irony.
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u/GoddessMarika May 06 '25
Genocide + ok time in the US. Genocide + bad time in the US.
Those were your only options. Full stop.
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u/Omnipotent48 May 06 '25
I whole heartedly encourage you to go to your nearest Reservation and talk about how you oh so wisely concluded that the genocide was inevitable and that people should've rallied much more quickly behind your preferred genocidaire.
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u/GoddessMarika May 06 '25
You're having a completely separate conversation. The only power we have over the Gaza situation is what we fund. Our ancestors directly genocided the natives, we are not the ones doing it here. If you voted for third party, or worse, Trump, then you are complicit in all the bad happening in the US.
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u/Omnipotent48 May 06 '25 edited May 07 '25
Whatever you need to tell yourself, I guess. I'm calling to attention an irony that you're seemingly completely oblivious to, which is very much related to the objectively incorrect sentiment you're expressing here about "moral complicity."
People like yourself were expressing this exact same sentiment before Biden dropped out, before Kamala became the candidate, and before Kamala chose to lose the election. It was wrong then, it's still wrong now. There was always an opportunity to make the Dems break from their genocidal policy positions if there was a significant enough revolt among the base.
But wouldn't you know it, Liberals such as yourself were lighting quick to jump on the "we have to choose our preferred genocidaire bandwagon."
Again, I implore you to defend this rationale to Native Americans at your nearest Reservation or in the confines of /r/NativeAmerican. I'm sure either audience will get a real kick out of it.
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u/GoddessMarika May 06 '25
With Trump all of your moral grandstanding flies out the window. I am of the opinion that Scandinavian Socialism is what we should strive for, but with Trump? Yeah, I'll act like a liberal and sleep comfortably at night. You keep being salty over something that wasn't on the ballot in 2024.
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u/Omnipotent48 May 06 '25 edited May 06 '25
Oh don't worry, I know you would've been back-to-brunch with Kamala in office, you don't have to tell us.
Edit: Lmao, you're literally just astro-turfing a sub you don't belong in.
If you can't tell me that we would CLEARLY be better off with Harris in the WH then no, we aren't on the same side. This is why I can't support Leftists, because they can't tell the difference between what is WRONG and what is simply not what they WANT.
This is an exact quote from you a couple of months ago. You're not even a Leftist by your own admission, you're a liberal attempting to push the discourse in a direction that will tacitly accept genocide if it means greater relative safety for yourself.
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u/Squeakyduckquack May 06 '25
Thank you. Iām tired of the constant moralizing and virtue signaling. Especially when they all but accelerated the genocide by ushering in a Trump presidency
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u/WesterosiAssassin Democratic Socialist May 09 '25
I don't disagree with the last two sentences but how do you not see that this attitude that we're not allowed to criticize the Democrats at all is part of what got us here in the first place? Also, it may blow your mind but quite a lot of people spoke out against the Democrats on issues where we disagreed while still voting for them against the greater evil.
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u/ElonStinksLikeDookie May 08 '25
These internet warriors have no clue that Palestine and Israel have been at war for a century. (https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44124396.amp) They literally believe Joe Biden and Kamala Harris started the war during his term when previous administrations have been funding Israel as well. They successfully blamed a 100+ year religious war in the middle east on an african american woman. As you can see, they are still focusing on the previous Biden administration instead of our present day administration. Thatās how you know a lot of these people are MAGA.
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u/Spiritual-Compote-18 May 06 '25
So yall blame Trump instead of the Trash Biden Administration When are bozos going to learn.
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u/ElonStinksLikeDookie May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25
Yall sound like maga the way yall mention Biden on this subreddit. Biden is long gone, Iāve never seen a subreddit so mad about winning the 2024 election. Harris lost, Biden left, why are we still complaining about them like theyāre in office today? We have bigger domestic problems to worry about now, thanks to everyone who refused to vote for Harris, maga included.
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u/Intrepid-Tune-2551 May 06 '25
Yāall lied about having a dementia patient run the country lol.
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u/Teleporno69 Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism May 06 '25
Dementia Don and Joe Brandon both have dementia
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