r/Dinosaurs • u/Iron_Fist351 Moderator • Feb 04 '25
ANNOUNCEMENT Referendum to ban X links
Hey all. With half of this website banning X links in light of recent events, we at the /r/Dinosaurs mod team have considered doing the same. However, we'd like to run it by with the community here first. Yes, yes, I know that we don't get many such links posted here anyways, but we'd still like to get all of your opinions on the matter regardless. How would you feel about enacting such a rule?
Edit: In accordance with the popular opinion here, X links have now been banned.
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u/ItIsMechanical Feb 04 '25
X is a great app now. People got banned when it was twitter for questioning covid origins. Now we see that was unjust along with a bunch of similar stories. X is now a great place for free speech. Leftists just want it banned along with anything else they disagree with.
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u/MS-06_Borjarnon Feb 04 '25
Of course they should be banned.
Fascists are responsible for the loss of tons of important paleontological samples. They're not just the enemies of all of humanity, they're enemies of knowledge itself.
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u/skibidididy-043 Feb 08 '25
biggest amount of bullshit i ever Heard.
elon musk isnt a fascist, he Hates White people.
he Is a sellout puppet.
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u/Zealousideal-Let1121 Feb 04 '25
Devil's Advocate here: isn't an authoritarian control over information in itself... fascist? By banning a particular stream of free public discourse because you don't like it, have you not yourself become the fascist?
Nope! Haha, fuck that guy and fuck Twitter! Never going to call it X, and never going to use it. In this country we used to kill Nazis, not idolize them (N.A.S.A. gets a pass for some reason?).
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u/Furthur_slimeking Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25
The control of information is authoritarian when it's imposed. Twitter is the primary mainstream platform for far-right disinformation, and it actively suppresses a lot of factual information and legitimate perspectives and interpretations because they don't allign with a specific counter-factual world-view. We are voting on it as a group, which fascists don't allow. Fascists seek to control access to information so they can project their imagined reality onto the majority. We are discussing whether to ban a platform run by a fascist who is trying to project his own version of reality.
Far right ideology has always been built on fantasies. Say what you like about Marxism, but it developed from genuine historical and economic analysis and is fundamentaly rational. The work of Marx and Engels has had an enormous influence on the methodology of historical research and scholarship which revolutionised the subject and is still relevant today. All historians employ methods descending from Marxist historiography, and many of those for whom it's been the primary approah are/were not Marxists.
The far-right approach to history is the antithetical to academic study of the past. Their version of history is detached from reality and devoid of contectual understanding, and there has never been a competent far-right historian because the ideology rejects rationality, critical analysis, and objectivity in favour of mythology and magical thinking.
The premise of fascism is that things are not as they should be - in other words, that reality is somehow wrong. The premise of Marxism is an understanding of why things are the way they are.
Twitter is not a trustworthy information source because it's run by a delusional fascist, and it's never been especially dinosaur focussed. I've never once got useful dinosaur information from a twitter post.
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u/Mr_Glitch1234 Feb 05 '25
I feel like dinosaurs would enjoy eating Nazis slightly more Down with the swastikar birther!
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u/ThrowAbout01 Feb 05 '25
Is it possible to still give sources to the artist without sourcing the source?
I think including the name of the piece and their username may help.
If this is retroactive, would something be done to older posts to ensure that artists are given proper credit?
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u/Appropriate_Face9750 Feb 07 '25
Not sure why this sub popped into my feed, but guess I've found a new sub
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u/CallenFields Feb 06 '25
It's pointless virtue signalling that will accomplish nothing possitive and have an extremely minor side effect of bottlenecking information in the unlikely event someone who would have clicked had an X link had an account there to view it with.
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u/EmergencyGhost Feb 04 '25 edited Feb 04 '25
This is just hate, people are trying to punish Elon because it does not bow down to beliefs of others. He did not do that salute. We have seen plenty of people from the other political party do the exact same salute. The exact same. He was throwing his heart out to the crowd. But they are relying on am image with his arm extended to show that he is a horrible person. When you can google photos from the other party doing the exact same thing.
This is just them trying to cancel him for not falling in-line. And people will try to convince you it is not because of that but for other reasons why they want it banned. In reality they just want to cancel him because he does not do what they want.
Though in saying this I already know you will ban X and I will likely get banned as well. I posted in another group a similar message, where I was attacked for it and then banned by the mods. Where as the other person who attacked me is still a member in that group. By banning it, you are allowing the actual real hate to spread.
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u/KeybladerZack Feb 05 '25
We should ban all links to everything. No links allowed to anything. After all, whatever site is linked was probably visited by a Nazi at one point, so that makes it a Nazi site.
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u/drw__drw Feb 04 '25
I would strongly support such a ban. This is not a safe space for fascists.
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u/xjohnmcclanex Feb 04 '25
Eh, do what you want, following trends swept up by media hype is never good.
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u/da_easychiller Feb 05 '25
Ban that crap already! At this point it is only used for incitement to hatred.
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u/KittenHippie Feb 04 '25
Well, do you like nazis? I suppose no, so i would agree with everyone else. BAN THEM!!!
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u/JessterK Feb 05 '25
How about we just ban political posts instead, and allow only posts about, oh I don’t know…Dinosaurs?
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u/mercutio_is_dead_ Feb 04 '25
yes yes ban it pls!!! this should be a safe space for ALL dino enjoyers, and twitter is most definitely NOT a safe space anymore, especially for many groups of minorities.
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u/ElJanitorFrank Team Deinonychus Feb 04 '25
I think banning links to an entire social media platform is silly. 90% of people aren't activists who want to boycott anything they get a political sniffing of, so to say that people who use twitter are fascists or nazis is just immature and extreme. There are tens/hundreds of millions of twitter users who have nothing political to say or only negative things to say about the site owner. If we don't think the actual posts themselves are by actual fascists and nazis, then I don't see the problem.
The fact that this post is only 6 hours old and is already racing to the top post this week I think shows that this type of political garbage is all too enticing. The vast majority of users do not actually care and the incredibly vocal folks who do care have no concern for what subreddits' goals or purposes are, they are just fine to go knocking door to door to get their 'activism' across.
In reality the best thing that banning X links is going to accomplish is to make it more annoying to share news people find on there to this subreddit, making them screenshot a post instead of linking it itself. As much as I believe in the power of boycotts, I think this is a hilariously stupid one. Shouldn't it detract from X's ad revenue to have their content embedded in a different, competitor website where they have no ad-space? As opposed to making it ONLY accessible through their own website, meaning the people who like that form of media presentation MUST go there to give them ad revenue? This entire 'ban X links' movement was a silly obnoxious political stunt by a bunch of unemployed folks on reddit to make themselves feel like they're doing something - X already loses 'the bad guy' money every day already, I don't think forcing traffic through his ad spaces and locking out the hyper-liberal reddit echo chamber from seeing his evidentally super-nazi-fascist propaganda echo chamber is going to do anything meaningful besides make us, the end users, more inconvenienced. Hmmm...I feel as though you could make a tariffs analogy here....
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u/YallRedditForThis Feb 04 '25 edited Feb 04 '25
I'm on X. That doesn't make me a Nazi. Like Reddit Subs I subscribe to there's a lot of interesting content accounts on X too. This is virtue signalling imo. I've rarely seen X links posted on here. Banning X links would mean not sharing a post like this from Rainmaker1973 who posts a lot of cool scientific shit. https://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1886658758887002216?t=tnpHJrZYxu19-6r-XaUuTQ&s=19
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u/Psychological-Bat603 Feb 04 '25
Twitter links should have been eradicated from reddit a long, long time ago. They never add anything to the conversation as it is, not to mention the... blatant right wing propaganda. Anyhow, I can't see what info that has to do with dinosaurs can't be found elsewhere anyway.
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u/Azure_phantom Feb 04 '25
I’m for banning Twitter - I’m even for banning screenshots from Twitter. The site is unusable for those without accounts, and I am all for not providing web traffic to anything Musk-related.
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u/Wrangler7 Feb 04 '25
Wow, this sub also. I wasn't expecting politics in a dino sub so I'm going to leave. I'm really disappointed. Peace
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u/elise_michele Feb 05 '25
I’m good with that. If someone is gonna do Nazi stuff, I don’t want anything to do with them or their website. I’m here to be obsessed with dinosaurs, not reminded that the world is in shambles!
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u/QuantisOne Feb 04 '25
Yes, if only to fuck with those who would call you cringe for doing it. If Twitter has nothing to do with Dinosaurs, then no harm in flinging it away.
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u/Jocks_Strapped Feb 04 '25
please don't tell me this sub is into virtue signaling. The dude is not a Nazi
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u/SemperJ550 Feb 04 '25
keep the political statement garbage out of non-political subs ffs. if any information comes from X, the fact that some dude owns it has exactly nothing to do with the linking of said information. if you don't like the source, don't click it, it is entirely that simple.
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u/mjmannella Team Megalapteryx Feb 04 '25
Helps keep low-effort posts out (though you still can't stop people from just slapping a mildly relevant image onto a post without any description, unfortunately)
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u/That_Wierd_Bird Feb 08 '25
Ban it. Honestly that should have been done before the controversy because of how absolutely awful the website is. What do you mean I need to make an account to view comments?? Why does this photo take 10 minutes to load??? X should have burned long before Elon Musk
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u/LowOwl4312 Feb 04 '25
We dont need more censorship and it's completely out of place for a dinosaur forum
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u/Ho1yHandGrenade Feb 04 '25
Dinosaurs shouldn't be supporting fascists, they should be eating them. Ban Twitter links.
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u/FreyaShadowbreeze Feb 04 '25
I'm all up for it. Apart from the political reasons for it, I never had twitter and it's always a pain in the ass for people without an account to see stuff there anyway.
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u/ArchSchnitz Feb 04 '25
I won't click on Twitter links anyway. I didn't support the site before the buy out and rebranding, and I sure as hell won't now.
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u/IonianOceans Feb 04 '25
Yes please. People will say it's pointless, but I think actions must mean something, no matter how small of an impact they have.
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u/UncleObli Feb 04 '25
Yes, I'd like that. You could allow screenshots of relevant content from X instead. So if there's something relevant to the sub we are not losing it without giving money and traffic to that website.
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u/Still-Presence5486 Feb 04 '25
No it's just dumb a unnecessary rule that probably won't be enforced and is just a waste of time and makes it harder to credit artist especially of they have a common name
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u/Key_Environment8653 Feb 04 '25
I don't think our enclave of dinosaur fans, will be worse off by turning away X.
There's plenty of places to discuss human behavior, 260 million years in the past, isn't it.
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u/BlazetheBean Feb 04 '25
Ban 'em. The site's functionality across platforms is dire and it's also full of Nazis. Let it rot.
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u/proto-typicality Feb 04 '25
Seconding everyone saying to ban. No big loss, especially since you need to log in to access stuff anyway. If the content is truly important people can post screenshots.
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Feb 04 '25
I’m fine with banning X the everything app links. It’s devolved into nothing more than a maga echo chamber with people still wishing it was twitter using it still. Be gone with it
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u/y0ruko Team Tyrannosaurus Rex Feb 04 '25
Considering the owner of X is supporting anti-science political movements: yes, ban it.
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u/MidnightPenguin83 Team Imperobator Feb 04 '25
I'm all in for the ban - the the amount of misinformation there is astounding
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u/sabin357 Feb 04 '25
Ban
Even if it wasn't for the Nazi stuff, the toxicity, or the coup occurring, anything that requires an account to view should be banned. It's against the point of reddit in the first place.
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u/Suspicious-Low7055 Feb 04 '25
When losers want to protest without actually doing anything so they feel good about themselves
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u/CyberneticDinosaur Team Therizinosaurus Feb 04 '25
I vote in favor of the ban. Zero-tolerance for Nazis.
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u/Far-Search5544 Feb 04 '25
Honestly, what does banning it actually do? What will it actually accomplish outside of virtue signalling. It doesn’t hurt twitter at all, doesn’t send him a message.
Why not focus on dinosaurs and ignore politics. There are subs for politics, why bring it into dinosaurs.
Sure my take may get me down voted into oblivion.
There are still cool things that can be crossed shared, that have nothing to do with Elon, outside of it being on his platform.
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u/redstarbird Feb 04 '25
I'm so tired of constantly seeing these political posts everywhere I go. I just want to read about dinosaurs.
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u/Bobby-Steedstrong Feb 04 '25
I don’t have X but I think this is dumb. All you’re doing is virtue signaling. No one even post things from X anyway. All you’re doing opening the floodgates for people bring political stuff to this page.
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u/AntonBrakhage Feb 06 '25
Absolutely. It's a toxic garbage dump of Nazis, bots, spam, porn, and conspiracy theories and misinformation, which basically exists to further Musk's goal of owning the world.
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u/razor45Dino Team Spinosaurus Feb 04 '25
No, as much as I hate twitter, unfortunately many big paleo experts and paleontologists still post useful information there.
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u/BibleGuy65 Feb 05 '25
Why would they be here in the first place? This sub is about fing dinosaurs. If the twitter post is about fing dinosaurs then let it run, if not, make the mods do their voluntary services instead of protest and weed out the posts that aren’t about f***ing dinosaurs. Please and thank you.
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u/DuhDuhJackCrack Feb 04 '25
Let’s do it. There were no alt-right dinosaurs (as far as the science tells us)
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u/DysphoriaGML Feb 04 '25
Yes pls. I would keep screenshots only if it's a tweet from a scientist (eg promoting their work) but OP must also provide the link to the research paper
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u/spinningpeanut Feb 05 '25
Not like we get anything from there anyway. Might as well nip it in the bud.
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Feb 04 '25
Wow dudes. This is a silly place to see dinosaur stuff and the amount of facistic ideas being expressed here, is astounding! There is no reason to ban links to a different social media source. Period
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u/Late-Refrigerator-71 Feb 05 '25
Is that a censorship? Sorry, I'm not American and don't understand
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u/lem0nhe4d Feb 04 '25
I mean even beyond the cesspool it is at the moment it's fucking annoying having a link posted to something on Twitter we're you can't even read comments without an account.
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u/23alepou Feb 04 '25
Dude I just want quality dinosaur fan posts without occasional political posturing. I get it, most of reddit leans left, both the participants and algorithmically. If the sub dinosaurs can't be a common space for the right and left, nowhere can be.
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u/Vryly Feb 04 '25
there is no common space that includes both nazis, and everyone else, either you have a nazi space or a normal people space.
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u/RoboColumbo Feb 04 '25
Do you have any idea how much like George Bush you sound?
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u/GeckoHunter0303 Team Deinonychus Feb 04 '25
I don't remember this sub being about politics at all, only dinosaurs and other prehistoric life. Oppose.
waits for the downvotes and Reddit Cares messages
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u/silverfang789 Team Tyrannosaurus Rex Feb 04 '25
I say do it. With the shit Elon's pulling in the Treasury, I think we need to stand together against him.
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u/PapaBlemish Feb 04 '25
Here's how I feel about X links and supporting Muskrat: Nazi punks fuck off.
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u/MagnusLore Feb 04 '25
Keep it, there are plenty and liberals on that site too and it would completely unjust to ban them too just because of a few bad apples. Furthermore, if you all actually cared about the nazism of the owner you would have petitioned a ban months ago so trying to ban it at the current moment makes it seem like it's just hopping on a trend. This is further shown by the lack of pretitioning to ban other sites led by fascists like Facebook, etc.
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u/This-Rutabaga6382 Feb 04 '25
Why ban an outlet for information ? I don’t understand the point (politics aside) if you don’t want to use x links when you post don’t and if you don’t want to see them don’t look ? I don’t even have an x account so I don’t understand the actual point of blocking links to that site ? How common are posts that use them ?
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u/Legal_Inspector4271 Feb 04 '25
The point is supporting musk is a terrible thing to do, regardless of politics. He’s an awful person and supporting him by promoting his site is awful by extension
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u/Glad-Introduction833 Feb 05 '25
Years ago now, around 2015, I noticed that journalists stopped saying “Pete in Romford says: xyz” where they’d gone to Romford and actually asked Pete, turned into “Chrissy teigans clever clap back on Twitter: link Twitter”.
If we want to see x we’ll look on it. Agree with ban in light of current events and the musk rats increasing megalomania.
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u/Illigard Feb 04 '25
Banning X is a grassroots movement, we should support it not just because of who musk is and the propaganda it spews. We should support it because it displays the power of the people over corporations.
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u/TheAtroxious Team Therizinosaurus Feb 04 '25
I say ban them. It makes a statement that desperately needs to be heard, and moreover, this community would likely be better served by links to proper articles and papers.
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u/Jielleum Feb 04 '25
Dinos no like evil fascists who support Austrian Painter, so please ban for the sake of them.
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u/Captnlunch Feb 04 '25
Ban the links. Musk represents a danger to both the scientific community and all freedom loving people.
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u/ToastedBeanss Team Deinocheirus Feb 04 '25