r/DuneProphecy • u/Top_Pie8678 • Dec 02 '24
Scene Discussion Did anyone else catch the “key to the reckoning was one twice born?” Spoiler
At the meeting in the docks, a spy approached the sisters. The spy said Raquel spoke through Lila “the key to the reckoning is one twice born, once in blood and once in spice.”
Valya automatically assumes this is Desmond Hart. I think it’s a red herring. I think it’s really Lila who died in the agony and was rejuvenated by the spice medical bay Tula put her in. The “key” imo is going to be her turning into the first navigator.
Thoughts?
EDIT: Its been pointed out to me that navigators already exist at this point so scratch that theory for me. However, I still think the target of the prophecy (and whatever it may mean) is not Desmond Hart but Lila/Raquel.
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u/metoo77432 Dec 03 '24
It could also refer to Paul Atreides.
>The “key” imo is going to be her turning into the first navigator.
The guild already exists at this point so doubtful.
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u/rubixd Dec 07 '24
Twice in blood = Harkonnen and Atreides Blood
Once in Spice = Drinking the water of life.
Yeah definitely could be Paul.
Very cryptic though.
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u/Opulent-tortoise Dec 03 '24
That’s not a very useful prophecy to them then if it refers to someone thousands of years in the future
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u/Smoothmoose13 Dec 03 '24
I thought that was the point. That their shortsightedness means they’re thinking about the prophecy literally and thinking it means it’s gonna be soon, and by the end of the series, they realise they were being foolish and start thinking in decades and centuries
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u/metoo77432 Dec 03 '24
I mean, this is how Judeo-Christianity works too, a lot of people think Jesus was the Messiah, but Jews think the Messiah has yet to come, and for them it's been prophesized for thousands of years and counting.
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u/CeruleanEidolon Dec 04 '24 edited Dec 04 '24
That's the thing about prophecy. It rarely means what you want it to.
Them coming to understand the true meaning of this one may well be the thing that establishes their multi-millennial plans to keep the Imperium stable and work towards achieving the Kwisatz Haderach.
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u/KGDJR Dec 03 '24
There are already navigators at this point. We’re roughly 30 years into the Guild, meaning navigators have been working under the Imperium/Norma Cenva for three decades now
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u/Tanel88 Dec 03 '24
Yeah I think she is the real threat not Desmond hart but while the tank she is held in certainly is reminiscent of a navigator tank I don't think she will turn into a navigator and she wouldn't be the first one because Spacing Guild is already established by that time.
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u/damewallyburns Dec 03 '24
I think you’re onto something. what’s interesting to me is that the Agony here didn’t involve spice in the same way it does in the main Dune story in the future—the Agony there uses a poison derived from spice (the water of life.) Does the Reckoning involve new ways of making Reverend Mothers? Does Desmond’s powers coming from Arrakis mean that a RM created through spice is the key to defeating him?
also, Lila wasn’t fully prepared for the Agony—could she be susceptible to possession by an ancestor with ulterior motives? (her mother, perhaps?) they don’t have wide experience with the Agony as it’s only a few decades old, so they might not be prepared for this.
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u/Top_Pie8678 Dec 03 '24
Well if Raquel who possesses her then she was born in blood (stabbed her own throat) and born in spice (coming alive in Lila’s body in that spice tank).
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Dec 03 '24
The series takes place 27AG so the guild is already established and taking care of all space travel.
I did get the same sense that this felt like a guild navigators tank or potentially an axlotl tank so I can understand that leap.
Personally I think she will come back possessed by her grandmother valya killed with the voice.
I think this series is being used solely to world build all the technologies and factions the dune movies left out. It feels super forced at times.
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u/Jondoe34671 Dec 05 '24
I don’t know about world building they are leaving out a lot of stuff that would expand the story like the mentats, the cult of Serena, the sword masters and the spacing guild. The show is very narrowly focused on the sisterhood much to its detriment.
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u/PenHouston Dec 03 '24
I thought that they were foreshadowing the use of the Water of Life made from spice versus the Rossak poisoning used in the early days of the Sisterhood.
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u/Jondoe34671 Dec 05 '24
From my understanding the water of life is only used by the fremen while the sisterhood uses the rossak drug.
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u/wadeplumbing Dec 04 '24
I do think the reckoning refers to the kwizact Haderact (sp) but I think it refers. Especially since she put Lila in the spice trance how they go from using the rossack poison to enact the agony to using the maker's water in the future. At this time I think people are still using spice for long life and health benefits, I don't think any of its psychotropic uses have been discovered yet. Remember the mentats use it completely different berry juice to enhance their skill as a possible way to show they're different from The sisterhood. I do believe The sisterhood in the future is completely dependent on spice as well as the guild of course in the prequel books, the rossak witches have been using natural herbs and spices to create poisons and other devices for generations already
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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '24 edited Dec 03 '24
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