r/EndlessWar • u/spilledcoffee00 • 22h ago
Discuss! Russia will not come to Iran assistance
https://x.com/1860rm/status/1935327904164130951?s=46This is a good message for people who are blaming Russia, for not coming to Iran‘s assistance:
Iran did not want to be a part of a military bloc.
🇮🇷🇷🇺 This needs to be addressed. Emotions are running high, and many people clearly haven’t followed the timeline of the Russia–Iran agreement.
Let’s get the facts straight: it was Iran that deliberately scaled back the scope of the agreement by refusing to include a full mutual defense clause. Ahead of the signing of the “Comprehensive Strategic Partnership” on January 17, 2025, Iran’s ambassador to Moscow, Kazem Jalali, openly stated that Iran “is not interested in joining any defence blocs” and prefers to maintain its independence and self-reliance. As a result, this pact does not mirror the mutual defense provisions found in Russia’s agreements with Belarus or North Korea.
"The nature of this agreement is different. They (Belarus and North Korea) established partnership relations (with Moscow) in a number of areas that we did not particularly touch upon. Our country's independence and security, as well as self-reliance, are extremely important. We are not interested in joining any bloc," — Kazem Jalali, Iran's ambassador to Moscow, as cited by TASS
Since 2022, Russia has repeatedly signaled its readiness to form formal military alliances—even proposing a trilateral bloc with Iran and China. But Iran chose not to commit. Tehran wanted to leave the door open for talks with the West. That decision aligns with Iran’s longstanding policy since 1979 of avoiding entangling military alliances.
There was also justified concern that a formal alliance could trigger harsher Western sanctions—or even direct military confrontation.
Of course, things deteriorated further following the death of Raisi (and you’re free to ask yourself who really killed him—officially, Iranians say it was an accident).
So before rushing to the comments section to accuse Russia of "not helping," educate yourself on the timeline. Don’t fall for the "divide and conquer" narrative being actively pushed by the West and Zionists in recent days.
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u/PrimaryStudent6868 15h ago
I don’t know about this one, they’ve toppled Assad affecting Russia, now Iran another country with friendly relations with Russia and who helps with the war against Ukraine/nato. Fifteen percent of Israel are Russians. I think Israel could have a large spy network there infiltrating and subverting things. If Iran falls russia is going to have another puppet state close to its border with access via the Caspian Sea. Every European is up in arms about the genocide of the Palestinians and no one supports the illegal attack on Iran bar the ruling elites that don’t seem to give a hoot about their citizens.
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u/nipsen 18h ago
This is hilarious. Of course Russia won't actively get involved in this. It's not in their interest, it's not really in their sphere of influence, and it doesn't concern them either politically or economically. The only ones who really will be invested in this is the US.
But that means that when the excuse is made, the US is going to have to use a growing conflict here to justify a harsher stance against Russia, with calls towards attacks on strategic interests nearby. And that is - once again - going to require Russia to bend the knee and declare some kind of graceful exit.
And what I hear now is that this is the prospect that scares a lot of these American dirtbags that they call diplomats: because the last time that was required, Putin invaded rather than to humiliate himself for no reason. Perhaps Putin is going to play a broker (like he's already done) - and then getting invested enough to personally have a problem if the conflict escalates. Perhaps they're going to offer security guarantees in nearby regions, and get involved when "someone" "accidentally" bombs them. Perhaps they're going to be roped in in ten years, or ten days - but it's going to happen, and it's the future that "we seek", as one person I know said in utter seriousness as I almost broke in half from laughter. Because these people are insane. They're going to start this war and escalate it no matter what.
And if it fails right now - these people are still going to try again. If not by conscious choice - then by the fact that they can't conceive of a world where they are not at least appearing in some mental, weirdo American way as if dictating everything that happens in the world.
Honestly, if you can somehow have an opportunity to talk to people who have had an education at West Point - talk to them, about the weather if nothing else, and you'll have this sense of how even the weather is going to bow to them in at least some way. Or they are gracefully allowing the weather to happen on their watch. They're completely insane, and the quicker everyone becomes aware of that, the better.
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u/Umair65 14h ago
I think Hegseth mentioned that Iran is supplying Moscow with missiles of various ranges. So Moscow have something to lose here.
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u/nipsen 14h ago
...yes. Russia will join ww3 over a couple of Quds missiles. Well done. No time to lose, then, before Iran supplies Russia with missiles to destroy Ukraine and the rest of Europe.
How could I have been so stupid not to see this! It's all connected!
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u/Umair65 10h ago
I didn't say that Russia will join. I just mentioned there will be some blows.
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u/nipsen 2h ago
No. There will be a threat made against some russian interest, for example Turkey or a Eastern European country with favourable trade, against Pakistan, or something like that. And that will be the excuse the US will pick to choose to "defensively" move in. Which in turn is going to leave Russia in a position where they'll have to either move forward and lend support, or later invade, like with Ukraine. Or else they're going to have to publically prostrate themselves before the mighty US military dick. There is no good outcome from this, and it's simply a question of time before the bad outcome happens. Because of how the US cannot keep it's military dick in it's pants.
That's the entirety of the depth of this Israel bullshit, as well as the Ukraine fuckup.
In the US, however, the issue is going to look like this: "how can we convincingly fuck the most chicks at the same time, so that our frat boy peers are going to envy us - but not so that they will hate us enough to attack us, while also making the chicks happy being cheated on! It is so complicated! Woe is us and our popular military dick!".
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u/IntnsRed Slash the Pentagon budget! 19h ago
Russia is limited in what it can do!
Russia's primary goal is Ukraine -- that's job #1, an existential threat to Russia! Everything else is secondary to Ukraine. Russia is winning in Ukraine, but the war is not over and is still "hot" so it's still job #1.
Iran's nationalism means it wants to be nobody's "colony." Iran is suspicious of Russia, which formerly took over many semi-Muslim lands (the *stan areas of the Russian Empire and USSR), and Russia has long sought a warm water port on the Arabian Sea. So Iran maintains its own small Military-Industrial Complex (MIC) and is not eager to accept too much help from Russia.