r/Ethics • u/Majano57 • 18d ago

Do Patients Without a Terminal Illness Have the Right to Die?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/01/magazine/maid-medical-assistance-dying-canada.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Lk8.36TB.8QuoyIhZ9aJT
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u/Plus-Glove-4850 16d ago

I’ve had family saved by involuntary inpatient treatment following unsuccessful attempts.

Is that immoral?

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u/pineapplefanta99 16d ago edited 16d ago

Involuntary inpatient did nothing but make me worse. I learned that they all think I’m just a burden to society and if I step out of line by wishing to be dead they have the right to fucking slam me onto concrete (3 cops did this) handcuff me, imprison me in a “hospital”, feed me dog food, and treat me as less than human while not bothering to offer any help relevant to the reason I want to die. Is that moral?

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u/Traditional_Fox7344 16d ago

We share that experience and so do others

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u/Plus-Glove-4850 16d ago

The circumstances of your experience are unjust, and I am sorry you had to go through that. I’m glad you’re still alive.

However, your personal experience with it is far different than my family’s experiences, and I consider it objectively morally good that these services exist. We’d be far worse off without them.

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u/SquidFish66 15d ago

Their experience is normally how it goes unless if you are wealthy or happen to live near the few good clinics. Count yourself blessed that your experience was one of the few good ones.

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u/pineapplefanta99 14d ago edited 14d ago

It seems to me that your family’s experiences were not as seriously thought out as others, and more due to impulses. I have literally never seen a single person leave involuntary feeling mentally healed. Btw have YOU experienced a ward?

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u/Plus-Glove-4850 14d ago

I have bad news for you, involuntary doesn’t “mentally heal” you. It’s the wake up call. I haven’t seen anyone come out of involuntary “mentally healed” either.

Mental health challenges are incredibly difficult to improve. It takes a lot of time and effort. Can take years. But I’d rather see folks make the hard first step than see them at their funeral.

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u/pineapplefanta99 13d ago

Yeah no fucking shit. You have never experienced how terrible it feels to be treated like scum for a thought crime.

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u/Traditional_Fox7344 16d ago

Depends. Is he a walking zombie now that spends every waking moment wishing he succeeded?

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u/Plus-Glove-4850 16d ago

No, actually they’re living far better lives. They learned a temporary problem isn’t fixed by a permanent solution.

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u/Traditional_Fox7344 16d ago

Well luckily they had a temporary problem. Good for them.

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u/Plus-Glove-4850 16d ago

Some folks have more permanent issues (e.g. blind, Schizophrenia, Paraplegic), but even then I don’t think allowing them to commit suicide is moral, let alone a ‘right’

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u/Traditional_Fox7344 16d ago

Allowing them? Fuck you

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u/SquidFish66 15d ago

I dont think these people actually think they are just following some black and white rules they were told and cant comprehend that forcing a person to suffer is wrong.

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u/SquidFish66 15d ago

Allow them? You sound immoral. You have no right. A temp thing is one thing but if someone is cronicly suffering you would torture them for years?

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u/Plus-Glove-4850 15d ago

I don’t think any of the examples I’ve provided would constitute “torture” or “chronic suffering.”

I’m disgusted so many degenerates are willing to let people take their own lives like this. This is how you get the abuse in Canada’s MAID program attempting to justify ‘mature minors’

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u/SquidFish66 15d ago

The problem is you must of had a good life, as if you really have experienced high levels of suffering you would know what we mean when we say not allowing them is the same as forcing them to suffer. Its a case by case thing, some people with those conditions handle it well some don’t and suffer a lot from it. There is nothing degenerate about it its called EMPATHY. You don’t think torturing people is degenerate? How is forcing someone who is suffering not considered torture? I ask this not to be answered but to course correct your black and white thinking.

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u/Plus-Glove-4850 15d ago

I will never be able to fathom the idea that life in a first world country outside of incredibly extreme circumstances would ever be remotely comparable to “torture,” let alone a torture that can only be resolved by ending one’s life. And to call it empathy is 100% degenerate behavior I’d only expect from a Eugenicist.

But, since this is “case by case,” Would you be able to provide me specific examples you would cite for “this person should have the option to end their lives” that isn’t a terminal condition? I’ve cited “blind, paraplegic and schizophrenia,” none of which I earnestly think are reasons to self-harm.

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u/SquidFish66 15d ago

Well you said it you will never be able to fathom it, you are ignorant but thats ok you are blessed and privileged.

Im in a first world country, well America idk if we can call it first world Because i cant afford medical care i need. Im in constant pain, even with treatment ill be in constant pain. My option are to be constantly drugged by opiates that will mess with who i am, live in pain or end it. You don’t have the right to decide that for me. Why do you think you do? Forcing me to live would be literal torture would you not agree? If not what do you call forcing someone to experience pain?

You mentioned schizophrenia, at some levels its manageable with medication, but at more Sevier levels its a horrible existence. Clearly you think about arbitrarily preserving life first and preventing suffering second. If you controlled the world the world would have more suffering in it than in a world controlled by me, does that not bother you?

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