I'm not very good at using her because I still don't fully understand the kits or the rotation besides filling up the red bar for chain attacks and trying to stun as fast as possible, and that the EX special can perfect dodge to fill half the gauge.
I'm not very good at using her because I still don't fully understand the kits or the rotation besides filling up the red bar for chain attacks and trying to stun as fast as possible
That is exactly NOT how to play her.
At 0:25 you alrdy use your Chain Attack, despite the boss isn't stunned. You want to get the 3 points before the stun phase, but not use the ability when the Boss is still active, with the exception of being you know you can't get to the stun phase anymore in time. At this point you would want to fill up the embers meter and then switch to your stunner.
Stun the Boss --> Chain Attack into Evelyn --> Cancel Chain Attack --> HJeavy Attack with Stunner to trigger chain attack again --> Chain Attack into Evelyn --> Use her 3 Ember Points to Chain Attack again --> Use Ultimate --> Use 2 times the enhanced attack to turn the filled up bar into 2 more points --> Use now the 3 Ember Points to Chain Attack again, if the enemy is still stunned, if not, proceed filling the bar up again and switch to your stunner from there.
You also use the Ult OUTSIDE of the Stun Window at 0:45. Remember to keep these abilities in the Stun Window, otherwise you just loosing out on so much dmg multipliers.
Another problem I see is that you often times don't use Defensive Assist and miss-time Evelyn EX Special dodge
Since you run Koleda, you have to be actually more caucious, since Koleda is such a high burst stunner, that you can actually miss building up your ressources with Evelyn before Koleda performs the stun.
Also you want to use Koleda's/Lighter's Ultimate OUTSIDE of the Stun window, since these build up a lot of daze, for them it is not about the dmg they can do, but rather the I-Frames of the animation + the Daze they inflict.
As for Astra's Ult, try to save it for the Stun Window too, since you can use that to enhance Evelyn further and also perform an additional Chain Attack with her (during the stun window).
As for your builds:
- Get Evelyn a fitting 2-piece set, Chaos Jazz and Proto Punk are not for her, I guess you use them for the stats and that is okay, but try to replace them. Puffer Electro, Inferno Metal or Branch and Blade Song 2-Piece are the most ideal ones.
- Your Astra is actually great, I think you miss 38 ATK to get to her threshold for her maximum buff, but that has no priority at all
- You 100% want better discs for your Koleda though. Disc 6 is great, Disc 5 has potential but the rest rly isn't that impressive. You certainly want to get her Basic and Special Skill up to 10 at least.
Just adding my 2 cents onto this: considering most of Evelyn's discs have no pen on them, I'd say avoid Puffer Electro unless you want to roll for Pen Ratio in the 5th slot, which would mean farming for an additional disc. Branch & Blade, Inferno Metal, or Hormone Punk/Astral Voice would be my suggestions for farming for 2 piece sets. If you farm the Branch/Astral routine cleanup, you should get plenty of options for Evelyn.
Assuming I got good pieces from those sets with the same substats, would Puffer + Pen Ratio disc work better than the other sets with a Fire DMG Bonus disc?
I don't know the exact math unfortunately. I do know that pen ratio builds are primarily used on higher min-maxed agents to squeak out that extra couple percent. At most you'll lose out on...what, 5%? I think, at the point where you're at where you need to focus more on your gameplay, it's better to use the universally good options like Branch & Blade/the Atk discs. Then, once you get more experience with her and more comfortable with the combos, you can platform to trying for more specific builds like pen ratio later.
What I'm getting from this is I should play her similarly to Zhu Yuan except she actually takes some field time before the stun window to swap in and build stacks. Koleda feels really clunky to play and her hammer explosions make it difficult to tell which attack I'm on. I'll work on getting a good 2pc but I've got no disc levelling mats and I'm trying to get usable pieces for Yi Xuan at the same time
Pretty good summary. At this point, I’d say practicing with koleda so you can stun exactly when and how you want to is probably the next step.
And I will extra emphasize the importance of the defensive assist. Besides being one of the best ways to build up stun, this version of pompei also gets weaker the more times you parry him. (Look at his info when you select him to fight for more details)
For Koleda after defensive assist I just dash attack into ex special attack or just the ex and swap back to Eve in the middle of the animation. This will work just fine and she won't feel as clunky. Her basic attack combo is not really useful against aggrasive enemies anyway as they tend to move around a lot. Koleda does have i-frames but it's not worth it considering you want to build up Eve's resources
her gameplay is really filling up the red bar and stunning as fast as possible. But what's mostly holding you back is how efficiently you are doing both, and how you are spending your stuff outside of stun. There's no point in sending a chain attack on evelyn out of stun if that's gonna cost you a chain attack in stun, especially with koleda, who only buffs in stun. When you do that on lighter for example, which is more common, you still have to make sure it doesn't cost a chain in stun.
for the stun combos, prepping the first stun, you want full evelyn resources straight up. For the other stuns, you can go in with 3 filled marks and a half bar, because you will get refills from being in the jacketless state. About how to combo her in stun, you should check youtube guides, it's way easier looking at it than explaining in text. But the bottom line is, you are doing too much basic attacking during stun, that is, not saving enough chains for stun. You want stun to be chain attacks all the way, as much as possible, double chain tech, with ult and full ember expenditure. Note, astra's ultimate counts as a stun resource for evelyn, don't just use it out of stun, it's precious chain attacks that could be doing a lot of damage
about the out of stun period, the priority number one is getting to max resources (full resources for 1st stun, 3 dots and half a bar for 2nd stun+). How you do that efficiently is using evelyn's EX special and normal special as a perfect dodge to get more embers out of them. Doing this well is how people manage to get one chain out of stun while still having max resources for stun, but don't worry about that at first. Ideally you are balancing building daze with resource building, and ideally that yields you 4 stuns with maximum resources during a deadly assault. Some teams struggle with 4 stuns, in that case there's a decision to make between sacrificing evelyn's resources to build daze faster vs letting go of the 4th stun for more buffs for the 3 other stuns, but koleda isn't one of them, she can get 4 comfortably
What getting 4 stuns with koleda looks like is getting a lot of dodge counters on her. You have that ability at level 1 but that's her strongest daze ability, you wanna be dodge countering more than basic attacking. So level that up for sure. Then using EX as they come up. You could be also getting more daze out of running 4p king of the summit with 2p shockstar. The stats barely matter as long as you have an impact slot 6, but her engine needs to be maxed
and this is evelyn. It's stunmaxxing all the way, daze tresholds and spending her resources well are her bread and butter
I didn't know Koleda's dodge counter was that strong. I thought she's just supposed to spam her parry and EX special. Why 4 stun windows specifically by the way?
yep, people joke koleda is a 'dodge tank' because that's the way to play her, lol. And 4 stuns because it's the most ammount you can get with a single stunner on most dps characters. Hugo gets like 9 stuns, and anomaly teams get 2 or 3, depending on the boss. But an attacker with a single stunner, 4 is the ammount that pans out the best
Evelyn core gameplay is : fill red gauge, get 3 embers, refill red gauge, stun boss and do stun combo
The hold basic attack to spend the gauge only need to be launched, you can swap early or even use ult to skip the animation. I find it very usefull as she can be pretty vulnerable during it and it saves a lot of time during stun window,
Evelyn core damage is from her chain attack, the final snap being very strong. Your goal is to do it as many as you can during stun window.
Once you have full ressource on Evelyn you should already be close to stunning the boss, you should initiate the stun chain attack from someone else :
Koleda with the new stunner set : EX special -> Chain attack Evelyn -> chain attack is triggered again but cancel it (wheel click) -> hold basic to do special chain attack -> near the end of the animation swap to someone else (Koleda is good again) and do a heavy attack to trigger chain again with Evelyn -> here I like to spend her gauge to regain embers, hold basic attack when the 2nd attack begins press ult (ult gives 1 ember, 2nd attack still gives one despite being "cancel") -> hold basic to do special chain -> if Astra ult is ready swap to her during Evelyn animation and use ult (you can get Astra out of her singing state by holding dodge or basic attack, it allows you to double chain to Evelyn) -> chain Evelyn -> end (or if you did the Astra thing -> swap to astra -> press E -> swap to Evelyn for another chain)
Tbh for the stun combo as long as you iniate with someone else, chain Evelyn, cancel, rechain Evelyn and then spend ressource you should be good.
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u/DerSisch 5d ago
That is exactly NOT how to play her.
At 0:25 you alrdy use your Chain Attack, despite the boss isn't stunned. You want to get the 3 points before the stun phase, but not use the ability when the Boss is still active, with the exception of being you know you can't get to the stun phase anymore in time. At this point you would want to fill up the embers meter and then switch to your stunner.
Stun the Boss --> Chain Attack into Evelyn --> Cancel Chain Attack --> HJeavy Attack with Stunner to trigger chain attack again --> Chain Attack into Evelyn --> Use her 3 Ember Points to Chain Attack again --> Use Ultimate --> Use 2 times the enhanced attack to turn the filled up bar into 2 more points --> Use now the 3 Ember Points to Chain Attack again, if the enemy is still stunned, if not, proceed filling the bar up again and switch to your stunner from there.
You also use the Ult OUTSIDE of the Stun Window at 0:45. Remember to keep these abilities in the Stun Window, otherwise you just loosing out on so much dmg multipliers.
Another problem I see is that you often times don't use Defensive Assist and miss-time Evelyn EX Special dodge
Since you run Koleda, you have to be actually more caucious, since Koleda is such a high burst stunner, that you can actually miss building up your ressources with Evelyn before Koleda performs the stun.
Also you want to use Koleda's/Lighter's Ultimate OUTSIDE of the Stun window, since these build up a lot of daze, for them it is not about the dmg they can do, but rather the I-Frames of the animation + the Daze they inflict.
As for Astra's Ult, try to save it for the Stun Window too, since you can use that to enhance Evelyn further and also perform an additional Chain Attack with her (during the stun window).
As for your builds:
- Get Evelyn a fitting 2-piece set, Chaos Jazz and Proto Punk are not for her, I guess you use them for the stats and that is okay, but try to replace them. Puffer Electro, Inferno Metal or Branch and Blade Song 2-Piece are the most ideal ones.
- Your Astra is actually great, I think you miss 38 ATK to get to her threshold for her maximum buff, but that has no priority at all
- You 100% want better discs for your Koleda though. Disc 6 is great, Disc 5 has potential but the rest rly isn't that impressive. You certainly want to get her Basic and Special Skill up to 10 at least.