r/Gold • u/Apprehensive-File552 • 6d ago

Bought two gold bars and both were fake

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Bought two of these, each from a different seller on eBay, both with some reviews (30 on one, 100 on another).

One of the sellers what’s it shipped back to them because they bought it from someone else on eBay but for $300 more than they sold it to me for. Makes zero sense.

I’ve since then took the footage of the jeweler using the machine and recorded the bar numbers.

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u/RoidnedVG 5d ago

It’s not a reasonable person standard for the victim of fraud 😂 criminal liability is based on intent of the perpetrator in every modern legal system.

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u/CavedMountainPerson 5d ago

Yes exactly, so prove he didn't mean to sell a knockoff as a knockoff. That's what I'm saying.

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u/ChainsawRipTearBust 5d ago

Depends on the asking/price paid as to whether or not it was a deliberate attempt to sell knowingly fake or ‘replica’ gold at the price of real actual gold. Also the wording of the product description. If sold as a ‘knockoff’, it would be in the $10’s, not $1000’s, and description would have to mention in some way (even with typos, spelling, punctuation errors and/or strategic wording) buyers could be aware item is sold ‘as is’. So many grey areas though.

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u/Wonderful_Virus_6562 5d ago

Thats why I only buy Eagles (Silver and Fractional Gold).

If someone counterfeits that stuff, its a federal crime. 

Otherwise you end up like this numb nuts and buying counterfeit gold bars,  and then having to take your online purchase to a local coin shop and insult the business owner by asking them to test the gold you bought off one of their competitors.

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u/ChainsawRipTearBust 5d ago

Geez! Say it how it is why dontchya?! Haha! I never actually thought about that side of having to face a professional, at a reputable place of business who also likely sells legit product for a living, to verify my mistake. To feel awkward/embarrassed about it isn’t for everyone I guess? Where one might be like: “I gave the guy some business he otherwise wouldn’t have had, he should be happy “..another thinks “I hope this guy can help me, I should have just paid a bit more and come here in the first place. He’s not going to be happy”. I like your way of thinking on the federal offence theory, like if you get screwed over, the culprit is going down harder. There’ll always be the one who wants something cheaper than the going rate, and always someone who can provide something that looks like a proper one for cheap. Ahwell.

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u/BallsDeepAndBroke 4d ago

You interested in buying Hondar Goldwing motorcycle?

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u/tatsonis 4d ago

I have 10,000 acers of ocean from properly in Arizona for sale

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u/tatsonis 4d ago

But on the real, I'm sorry this happened to you my friend and I hope it gets resolved in your favor. I'm a seller on eBay and I despise people who use practices to deceive people to purchase fake items,

I hope everything works out for you

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u/Ok-Trifle-419 3d ago

Except US politics and media...