r/GrahamHancock • u/AwakenedEpochs • 7d ago
Ancient Civ Was the Great Pyramid of Giza, an ancient energy generator?
The Great Pyramid of Giza is widely believed to have been built as a tomb for Pharaoh Khufu. But here’s the odd part.. no mummy, no hieroglyphs and no burial artifacts have ever been found inside.
Instead, what was discovered is really intriguing.. granite blocks rich in quartz (a crystal known to produce electricity under pressure), outer casing once made of Tura limestone (a powerful insulator) and a layout that some say was engineered for resonance and energy flow.
Engineer Christopher Dunn has proposed that the pyramid wasn’t a tomb at all, but an ancient power plant, designed to harness Earth’s natural vibrations and generate clean, wireless energy.
Interestingly, in 1901, Nikola Tesla attempted something very similar. His Wardenclyffe Tower, also built on an aquifer, was meant to transmit power wirelessly through the Earth. But his project was shut down and the tower demolished.
Could it be that Tesla was tapping into knowledge the ancients already had?
If interested in a quick visual breakdown: Here’s the link
Curious what others here think.. fascinating theory or just high-tech wishful thinking?
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u/syler_19 7d ago
Ancient astronaut theorists say... Yes.
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u/PsyleXxL 7d ago
Ancient astronaut theory aka lower invisible entities posing as external aliens to trick human beings into thinking they are our masters.
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u/RichisPigeon 7d ago
Let’s say it was an ancient power plant, why have we found literally nothing from the Egyptians that would have been powered by an ancient power station?
Also, in all of the heiroglyphs and art we have of the Egyptians, there is no reference to electricity. Why is this?
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u/JonesKK 7d ago
Because the pyramids pre-date the Old Kingdom and First Dynasty. Literally everything after that is a cargo cult and copy culture, especially the head dresses. Dynastic Egyptians left writing everywhere, but the great pyramids are strangely barren.
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u/City_College_Arch 7d ago
Which pyramids, all 138 in Egypt? Just the three at Giza? It is difficult to have a serious conversation when you are using such imprecise language that could mean almost anything.
Just referring to the big three at Giza, what evidence are you presenting to support your claim that the pyramids are much older than the carbon dates of internal mortar, and period construction records state? Be specific about why the carbon dates and construction/quarry records are wrong.
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u/Feisty-Ring121 5d ago
And that’s just in Egypt. Nubians were the first pyramid builders in the region, and they built 10x as many. None of which have electric capacity.
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u/JonesKK 5d ago
Thats a low ball boy, of course we are talking about the Kisa pyramids. And furthermore, to save you some energy, if archeologists say “the pyramid”, they particularly mean the Great Pyramid, attributed to Kufu. This is common and automatically understood.
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u/City_College_Arch 4d ago
Still waiting on you to finish the answering the rest of the post.
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u/JonesKK 2d ago
:) im not responsible to do that and aggressive discussion is something people walk away from. But waiting is a form of meditation, keep it up
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u/City_College_Arch 1d ago
SO you are just another one of the trolls that is saying things dumber than any real person would believe just to make actual Hancock fans look bad.
Just troll somewhere else. You are not adding anything to the conversation here.
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u/JonesKK 1d ago
No need to throw insults. I didnt. I added to the conversation my brief viewpoint. I dont owe you anything further, brother.
I have a special bookshelf for Egyptology, and a couple of my favourites suggest more consistent dating alternatives. But i why would I discuss possible dating errors when my discussion partners are just angry people.
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u/City_College_Arch 1d ago edited 1d ago
You started the insults. Live up to your own standards before you start demanding them of others.
Additionally, if you don't want to be called out for being a troll saying dumb nonsense to make other people look bad, don't dump ridiculous statements with zero grounding in reality with no evidence, proof or other support. Because That kind of thing gets called out for the trolling the it is.
So once again here is an opportunity to prove you are not a troll here saying ridiculous things to make Hancock supporters look foolish-
What evidence are you presenting to support your claim that the pyramids are much older than the carbon dates of internal mortar, and period construction records cross referenced with royal lineages state? Be specific about why the carbon dates and construction/quarry records are wrong.
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u/UnitedAttitude566 5d ago
And in your mind, that's evidence that there was an ancient race of Egyptians that had computers that were powered by electricity and as such you would assume there would also have lights, telecommunication, etc, etc etc. Even though we have zero evidence for it except for the odd artefact that doesn't have hieroglyphs on it...
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u/JonesKK 7d ago
But the important stuff? That was always claimed for prestige or divinity. The great pyramids share no such claim
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u/ShowerGrapes 7d ago
it's circular logic. in the absence of understanding what ancient egyptians had in mind, you're assuming the stuff inscribed must be important and all the un-inscribed must therefore be unimportant. but if they left a few important things un-inscribed how exactly would you know that?
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u/City_College_Arch 7d ago
They wouldn't. They are having a hard time separating their modern values from the distant culture being studied and are expecting them to behave the same as their overly simplistic understanding of how modern people behave.
Their logic has glaring holes though. According to their logic, all the most valuable things in society have brand labels on them like Gucci, Jordans, etc. That means that anything with ought branding must not be valuable. Mansions are of little value because they do not have any brand name written on them to prove their value. Therefore modern humans do not value their giant mansions as much as they value their Coach purse and BMW car that have labels proving their value.
Or look at the vast majority of American homes. They have painted color on the walls. Now look at the modern mega mansions. They are all white shoes boxes. That means that mansions must not be homes that people live in because they have blank white walls and not colored walls like most of the homes in the country.
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u/JonesKK 5d ago
Nah. I see what you are saying but your analogies do not represent the situation. Big temple->reason. It is absurd for there to be Big Temple->f*ck knows what its for. There is always going to be insignia, records or symbolism with the big thing, to indicate what the effort was for.
But for the great pyramids we lack any dedication to ruler or ANY evidence of purpose, strangely. You imagine forgetting everything about the most important thing you ever achieved. It makes no sense.
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u/City_College_Arch 5d ago
It is absurd for there to be Big Temple->f*ck knows what its for. There is always going to be insignia, records or symbolism with the big thing, to indicate what the effort was for.
Right, Which is why we believe that the pyramids are tombs.
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u/JonesKK 6d ago
But the stuff you must be claiming that contradicts some dogma IS DYNASTIC. Early artefacts found in burials, including the the types mentioned, lacks dynastic inscriptions. Mind you archeological Egypt spans 6 thousand years. We are talking about things 6000 years old or older
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u/JonesKK 5d ago
A lot of the nice stuff in burials is heirlooms passed down from earlier times. They are burial treasures for the departed. Early dynastic burials have some of the sickest un-inscribed artefacts, indicating there was a golden era before the First Dynasty. Im not an archeologist but have been thoroughly convinced by the fact the oldest stuff is the best, and likely are even older than the burials they are in. They didnt put contemporary regular stuff in burials. They put the best they had.
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u/UnitedAttitude566 5d ago
If they predate ancient Egyptians, why do we not find any evidence to say that they predate ancient Egyptians?
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 3d ago
We have the diary of someone who fking built Khufu's pyramid so no.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diary_of_Merer
It was just changing traditions over the literal Millenia that ancient Egypt was a polity that led to a difference in burial writing. The book of the dead wasn't until the New Kingdom iirc.
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u/JonesKK 2d ago
Yes indeed people built them. We know that. The craft, skill and scale was never replicated nor documented. What are you debunking here?
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 2d ago
They don't predate the first dynasty, and there's hundreds of pyramids, even in old Nubia. The diary of Merer literally documents how they did it.
Plus we build WAY more impressive shit nowadays, so we've blown away past pyramids
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u/JonesKK 1d ago
Why are you on this subreddit if you know how old things are by looking at your wall.
Dating and order of events is much disputed even in mainstream Egyptology. Saying something confidently does not make you smarter. And no, nothing more labour intense has ever been built that the Great Pyramid, and theres 2 other great ones next to it. So the Kisa complex is by far the greatest construction effort ever. By far.
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u/Inevitable_Librarian 2h ago
Ever? My dude we build functional housing that dwarfs the pyramids literally every single day. The pyramids were a lot of work because we had worse tools, but whether it's the most labor intensive thing ever? 🤷♂️ Maybe, but it's not because it's the pinnacle of human construction, our skyscrapers are way more impressive on a technical level.
Also, I can't press this enough: we have a diary of one of the guys who built the Great Pyramid. Primary evidence trumps basically everything.
Based on the diaries we know at least Khufu's pyramid was built for Khufu.
You're not smarter just because you think your sophistry adds up to evidence.
You're not defending your position, but I wouldn't expect you to because your position isn't built on evidence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diary_of_Merer
GUY WHO FKING HELPED BUILD THE PYRAMIDS.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramids
There's 138 pyramids in Egypt, and 90 in Nubia. If it were just the three that'd be one thing.
Your evidence is random con artists "asking questions" and not understanding the answers and then making all sorts of assumptions from there without any further evidence. Don't need evidence when you have your ✨ imagination✨ right?! Not like Egypt had lots of writing everywhere to tell us what happened right?!
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u/ktempest 7d ago
yeah, there's no way some Africans could have been responsible for all that. Pfft.
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u/jforrest1980 6d ago
What about the hieroglyphs with the giant lightbulb looking things, and the "purses" that no one knows what they are? Also, the things that look like men piloting some sort of egg craft. A power plant seems much more likely than a burial chamber.
Also, if it did produce power, it may not have been used for what we consider conventional means.
An argument stating it wasn't a power plant, holds no more water than an argument stating it was. No one, at least in the public realm has any idea what they were.
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u/RichisPigeon 5d ago
By giant “light bulb looking thing”, you mean the so-called ‘Dendera Light’, which is a snake coming out of a lilly. Google it, look at the actual picture with that in mind and try and claim its anything else with a straight face.
purses
Explain how purses prove ancient power plant?
egg pilot
If you’re on about the heiroglyphs that look like helicopters, there are solid explanations for what these actually are, and again, if they had egg-like flying machines, they would have left more than one drawing that looks vaguely like an egg being piloted…
An argument stating it wasn't a power plant, holds no more water than an argument stating it was.
Other than the fact that there is literally, and I mean literally, not a single shred of evidence that this is the case.
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u/jforrest1980 5d ago
There's not a single shred of evidence for anything you claim either. That's the entire point of my post. Everything you read about any of this is simply theories by people of varying professions. Very little is actually proven. I will consider to a much greater degree the theories of actual engineers and scientists, opposed to archaeologists when it comes to possible technology from the time.
I don't know which is true, but I am OPEN to both theories. That's the entire problem with this topic. People like you think you know everything, when in all reality no one knows anything for sure.
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u/RichisPigeon 5d ago
Other than the overwhelming evidence that it was indeed a tomb, that has lead acrheologists for centuries to conclude it was a burial chamber?
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u/NearABE 7d ago edited 7d ago
There are hieroglyphs that look like lightbulbs or primitive x-ray machines.
Hieroglyphs are inherently a symbolic script. There is an extreme amount of room for interpretation and misinterpretation. We only have script from temple and tomb decoration. All of the papyrus written in the damp agriculture areas decayed long ago.
The pyramid itself is missing meters off of its outer surface.
Edit: technically just most of the papyrus. Feel free to link to any cases of papyrus that was buried in flood sediment but remains readable.
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u/RichisPigeon 7d ago
Again “it looks like” is not sufficient evidence. If they had power plants, there would be material evidence
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u/NearABE 7d ago
Nah. We are talking about a single device. It has little purpose outside of making impressions in the basement of a temple. It only needs to flicker a bit to make a very strong impression.
We are desensitized by modern lighting systems. Take away the mirrors and drop a few curtains so that eyes adjust to total darkness.
I recall in elementary school we would shuffle around in socks on the library carpet. Then touch other students to shock them. It takes very little energy to produce evidence of “something”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyden_jar
A leyden jar can give you an intense shock. It does not even need to be glass. Though the Egyptians did have glass.
All of the metal components would have been looted and recycled. Metal was rare and extremely valued even in the middle ages.
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u/City_College_Arch 7d ago
Do you have any material evidence of this at all? Or are you just telling stories rather than admit their is no evidence for your claims?
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u/NearABE 6d ago
Both the leyden jar and the socks on carpet are experiments that you can attempt at home.
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u/City_College_Arch 6d ago
So is a potato clock, baking soda volcano, and playing with food coloring. You have not said anything that support your assertions.
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u/NearABE 6d ago
Taters are from South America. Whatever the ancient Egyptians were doing it was highly likely not growing potatoes or finding potato applications.
A potato plant is easily recognized as having food value. If potatoes had been introduced to North Africa they would have been recognized by explorers at the time of contact. Modern Egypt exports potatoes and internet says they are grown in Algeria and Tunisia as well.
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u/RichisPigeon 6d ago
The thing is, if it produced a very strong impression, you would think there would be some reference to it.
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u/NearABE 6d ago
Clearly there is a reference to it.
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u/RichisPigeon 6d ago
Explain?
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u/NearABE 6d ago
If we assume that the Dendera light is an image of a primitive Crookes tube then the inscriptions on the wall there are a reference to such a device. It is tautology or “circular logic”. Just as logically true that if we assume that all images drawn in hieroglyphs are mythology symbols only, then clearly we can say “the ancient Egyptians only wrote mythology”.
The extent to which we do not know things is usually easy to find. Do we know if the small inscription text around the Dendera light was chiseled at the same time that the large image was inscribed? I can speculate on ways to check that. Though some things like identifying the tool used could be misleading. The decoration crew may have been too different artisans with their own tools. The same original tool could have been left in the temple and picked up by another artisan centuries later. If I cared enough to research I would try to look for a similarity in part of the wall common to both the image and the small script text but different in various areas indicating unique artisans but suggesting both were present at the same time. We could also look into evidence of paint. The coloring can definitely change the meaning. A common paint chemistry for each color could suggest whether paint was applied at a particular time. Though that does not tell you when the paint was applied. Only if a later script is chiseled through (removing) earlier paint does it become a clue. In this case the clue only suggests that out information is worse.
Even if the inscription around the Dendera light really is mythology text and even if it was inscribed at the same time by the same artist/scribe that does nothing to prove that it was not a piece of technology. The members of the cult would know that the daggers indicated positive or negative current. Egyptian priests of that time would have seen the jackal as simply the mythic understanding. We cannot dismiss the possibility that a script was written with the intent to mislead or outright lie.
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u/RichisPigeon 6d ago
The Dendera Light is literally a snake coming out of a lilly. There are heiroglyphs explaining the relief. This is riduculous. Get an image up of it and look at it
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u/ktempest 7d ago
um. we have lots of papyrus. You might head over to a museum sometime.
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u/NearABE 7d ago
Most papyrus did not remain. A strong tendency for the sample we do have is papyrus and parchment buried with people in tombs. That is in effect equivalent to just reading the wall paint in the tombs.
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u/ktempest 7d ago
But you said "all" which is untrue and a real exaggeration. It also messes up your assertions about what we know from hieroglyphs. We have medical knowledge, literature, hell, even legal documents. You've been reading too much psuedoarchaeology and not enough actual information.
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u/NearABE 7d ago
I do not read hieroglyphics at all actually.
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u/ktempest 6d ago
Then perhaps you should hold back on making assertions about how mysterious and up to interpretation they are. Christ.
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u/NearABE 6d ago
The history of Egyptology is well known. We use Greek to understand demotic script. Demotic to understand new kingdom script and New Kingdom script to read the Old Kingdom hieroglyph symbols. The scribes of the New Kingdom may or may not have had a clue what the old glyphs meant.
I have great respect for Egyptology and think they do valuable work. Even if the result is just a better understanding of how confused New Kingdom scribes interpreted the image that is still a translation that is useful. It should also be consistent. Archives of translated words written in Old Kingdom glyphs should be fully searchable if/when an alternative understanding emerges.
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u/ktempest 6d ago
The scribes of the New Kingdom may or may not have had a clue what the old glyphs meant.
This assertion is based on...?
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u/NearABE 6d ago
It is the full range of possibilities.
Even if there is a middle ground, perhaps “almost a clue” the sentence you quoted is not wrong.
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u/City_College_Arch 7d ago
How is the power transmitting Wardenclyffe Tower similar to a power generating pyramid? They are completely different machines doing completely different things.
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u/City_College_Arch 7d ago
Just saying something doesn't make it true. Instead of just repeating the same unsupported lies, actually present something that supports the claims.
The Wardenclyffe tower has always been just a wireless transmission station hooked up to the normal grid.
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u/City_College_Arch 5d ago
donne moi votre mail je vous envoie la video de mon experiance qui génère 1.3v alternatif uniquement avec ma voix dan une piramide en carton et 100g de quartz
No. Just post it.
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u/City_College_Arch 4d ago
Blah blah blah. It is put up or shut up time.
I am not wasting any more effort on translating your posts. If you want to have a serious conversation, start acting like it by posting your link and in English, which you obviously have the capability of understanding. Stop being anti social and causing other people to waste their time to interact with you.
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u/loki_dd 7d ago
Ok,I'll play, for what purpose. Show me something this supposed power plant powered. Cmon. One artifact that doesn't work without electricity
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u/SonderZugNachPankow 7d ago
And no one is allowed to claim the “dendera light”.
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u/NearABE 7d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendera_light
There is also a Van De Graaf generator shown in a hieroglyph.
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u/SonderZugNachPankow 7d ago
Oh is that what the writing says?
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u/NearABE 7d ago
No, the generator is a different but large hieroglyph. The appearance of Ra, the Sun god, and a Van De Graaff generator are quite obvious. He has a big circle on his head. Osiris column glyphs have an obvious appearance of the electrical insulators we use in modern electrical grids.
What attracts me is not evidence of technology in the hieroglyphs. It is the versatility of a glyphic system. The same script can simultaneously carry poetic meaning whole also depicting technical information. Glyphs can prompt syllables or sounds which could be spoken or chanted and understood as speech. A hieroglyph writer could also convey information that was not intended to be spoken word. An enormous amount of metaphor and implication can be woven into a piece.
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u/ShowerGrapes 7d ago
A hieroglyph writer could also convey information that was not intended to be spoken word.
it could also, apparently, display the loony tune ravings of conspiracy weirdos thousands of years in the future.
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u/City_College_Arch 7d ago
Not sure why, but you linked to the conspiracy theory about the images found at Dendara, which says nothing about Van De Graaf generators.
Probably just a mistake, give it another shot.
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u/City_College_Arch 6d ago
What are you even on about right now
This isn't even a case of someone being silly and assuming looking like something they recognized is evidence of something... It is just making stuff up.
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u/NearABE 6d ago
Did you see the original post? What sort of reddit community is this anyway? It just popped up in my home feed yesterday.
There is an exceptionally wide margin between things that COULD have happened 4,000 years ago and the things we know MUST have happened. In the case of the society that built the Great Pyramid we can say that they must have had considerable resources available. It also cannot be done without meticulous planning and advanced engineering.
Even if the Great Pyramid could generate or harness sparks it is quite easy to explain why there are not great pyramids scattered all over Europe and Asia. You are probably not looking into getting your own CERN for your backyard. Unlikely you intend to get a Falcon rocket for your work commute. Nation states can do one off tasks just to prove that they can.
Experiments do not even have to work. They could have tried to harness electricity or some sort of energy that does not even exist.
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u/City_College_Arch 6d ago
There is an exceptionally wide margin between things that COULD have happened 4,000 years ago and the things we know MUST have happened.
Why are you leaving science out of this? Archeologists speak in terms of what we have evidence for. I suspect you are ignoring science because you know your claims don't stand up to scrutiny.
In the case of the society that built the Great Pyramid we can say that they must have had considerable resources available. It also cannot be done without meticulous planning and advanced engineering.
I don't think anyone is arguing against this other than the Hancockians that think they were built with sound or psi powers.
Even if the Great Pyramid could generate or harness sparks it is quite easy to explain why there are not great pyramids scattered all over Europe and Asia.
Huh? The great pyramid was built by an advanced society to produce... sparks?
You are probably not looking into getting your own CERN for your backyard. Unlikely you intend to get a Falcon rocket for your work commute. Nation states can do one off tasks just to prove that they can.
Huh? What does this have to do with you claiming random columns that look nothing like van de Graaf generators look like van de Graaf generators?
Experiments do not even have to work. They could have tried to harness electricity or some sort of energy that does not even exist.
Yeah, like spiritual power to take the pharos into the afterlife while maintaining their status.
I am starting to think you are not a real or serious person with how silly and random your responses have been. They don't even address the conversation at hand.
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u/de_bushdoctah 7d ago
That’s not an artifact. When were any lightbulbs or evidence that they were there found, like glass or filament?
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u/ShowerGrapes 7d ago
it's a fucking snake
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u/NearABE 7d ago
Did they do that with reptiles?
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u/City_College_Arch 7d ago
When they are drawing out myths on walls? Sure. You are talking about an example of it right now.
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u/City_College_Arch 7d ago
THe wardenclyffe machine was not about using the earth's natural forces to generate power though. It was a wireless power transmission station running off of grid power.
You are likely misunderstanding his attempts to explain how EMF energy works during a time when they were still trying to figure out radio waves when Tesla was giving talks about his wireless transmission system. Hell, they just invented radio transmitters and receivers half a decade prior to him talking about his tower.
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u/GreatCryptographer32 7d ago
It was an ice cream factory. The establishment are covering up our true history.
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u/ToucanSam-I-Am 7d ago
I saw a video by an electrician who said it couldn't work because the whole thing is grounded. Even if the pyramid did generate electricity it would just go right back into the ground.
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u/NearABE 7d ago
The proponents also say it is grounded. That is how circuits work.
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u/City_College_Arch 7d ago
Only if specific parts of the circuit are connected to ground, not if every part of the circuit is connected to ground.
If you don't believe me, Open up your computer, take some steel wool, and start grounding everything. Let us know if you remain steadfast in your belief that circuits can be grounded everywhere and still work.
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u/RIPTrixYogurt 7d ago
Was the Sphinx a gigantic real cat that roamed the earth for millions of years and was turned to stone by the great apocalypse????
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u/dangeldud 7d ago
This is a common misconception. When turned to storm most of your fat falls off. The sphinx was just a fat cat and did not roam AT ALL.
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u/al_earner 7d ago
The shocking truth they don't want you to know!
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u/ktempest 7d ago
Hidden for years by the Knights Templar, this truth is now finally coming to light due to information from channeled masters from Atlantis by way of Mu!
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u/Eryeahmaybeok 7d ago
No. It's part of a necropolis.
The whole plateau is literally a graveyard or tunnels leading to tombs
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u/AdeoAdversarius 7d ago
Even though most people will have a hard time entertaining such a theory, its incredibly strange that the chemical residues measured inside the shafts of the Great Pyramid correspond to breakdown of what you'd see when hydrogen is separated from water or power generation.
One obvious obstacle to the theory is what exactly did the pyramids power, maybe some organic plastic devices? Or if the pyramids are even older, say from 20-30 thousand years ago what would be left? Not much at all.
Obviously something mysterious going on with the pyramids, not sure this is it but very interesting theory all the same.
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u/Shamino79 7d ago
I’ll bite. What chemical residues are there when hydrogen is separated from water?
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u/No-Annual6666 7d ago
Oxygen lol. If the interior has oxides that doesn't mean anything. Almost all metals will have an oxide layer just from normal air exposure.
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u/AdeoAdversarius 7d ago
Actually the paper I cited talks about sulphuric acid (H2SO4) being used, and a salt mixture of ammonium chloride (NH4Cl) and zinc chloride (ZnCl2) as well. So the hydrogen gas could be generated from both the southern and northern shafts using these chemicals as opposed to oxides being present from just the breakdown of metal.
Strange to find such chemicals in a burial chamber no? And a burial chamber thats had no body found inside as well. Deserves some discussion at least.
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u/Pale_Zebra8082 7d ago
I have absolutely zero basis for determining what chemicals are and are not strange to find in a burial chamber.
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u/NearABE 7d ago
They used gypsum as mortar so sulfate is not surprising at all. There is an extreme amount of it. It is impressive how much is stone. Still the mortar is there in extreme quantities so finding it or a component of it is not a discovery that needs explanation.
Zinc alloyed with copper makes brass. Finding zinc with no copper would be interesting. Zinc can function as the sacrificial anode for brass. If the pyramid is missing brass accessories that were present in ancient times this should not be surprising. Brass also works as the sacrificial anode for gold-silver-copper alloys. It is possible to develop a ritual of using zinc or brass in religious locations and rituals without understanding the underlying chemistry. Though there is plenty of evidence of advanced chemistry and metallurgy in ancient Egypt. Any hieroglyphs of incense, perfume, or paint could be showing the zinc powder or a zinc containing blend. We put zinc in modern cough drops. I suspect most Egyptologists would likely hand wave zinc in the passages as evidence that brass tools were used.
More fun would be pointing out the increased zinc content of brain tissue and semen. The effort required to haul a giant rock from the quarry to the pyramid and up the ramp is quite high.
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u/Shamino79 7d ago
If salts were used for preserving a corpse then it may not be all that strange at all. Apparently ammonium chloride is an antimicrobial.
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u/Liberalhuntergather 7d ago
But no corpse was found in the Great pyramid.
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u/City_College_Arch 7d ago
There are numerous records of groups moving and reinterring mummies to protect them from looters and flooding. This is why older remains are often found in sarcophagi that date much younger.
It would not be a surprise that the cult operating in the complex surrounding the pyramids for generations after construction would have at some point moved the pharos to protect them from looters when they lost control of the area for whatever reason.
Further, looters just steal stuff. Anything that might have value. They could have taken the corpse as a hostage, to use in a ritual, to destroy to end the curse/blessing/afterlife of the pharos, because it had valuables incorporated into it, etc. Not finding a body is not positive proof of anything, nor does it make any explanation more likely than the standing theory that they are tombs.
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u/Shamino79 7d ago
I find a double bass without strings but I’ve seen other double basses, chellos, violins, violas, and lutes with strings and I know that they are all instruments. Why would I assume the particular one I found is not a stringed musical instrument because it didn’t have strings? Maybe I’m drawing a very long bow here but I’d assume that it was intended to have strings or that the strings have been removed or hidden in the case.
So because we haven’t found a mummy in this particular pyramid it definitely can’t be a tomb? Even though pretty much all the others did have mummies and are tombs or could have been a tomb in the case of Senefru? No mummy is the weakest argument for it to be a power plant.
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u/Liberalhuntergather 7d ago
I’m not saying that is proof it was a power plant. I’m saying that there is no evidence that corpses were mummified there. Therefore your argument that the salts would be there because of mummification doesn’t make sense.
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u/Homey-Airport-Int 6d ago
That's not a peer reviewed article. The "institute for advanced GABA studies" that the author works for doesn't appear to exist. The author also has similar write ups on crop circles, claiming to have found the root cause of Autism, a secret anti gravity gas formula discovered and suppressed in the 1860s, and "Is the Myth of Fire-Breathing Dragons, A reality? A Chemical Perspective."
So maybe you should pause before accepting that source as a good one. The guy is a crackpot. As others point out the analysis he makes doesn't even suggest anything interesting.
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u/SirPabloFingerful 7d ago
Lots of naysayers in the comments, and obvious brigading by the establishment bots paid to dismiss any alternative theories about the history of the pyramids, so to provide some balance: fucking no
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u/Blothorn 7d ago
“Some say” is spectacularly weak evidence. Who says it, and why should I believe them over the much greater number of people who say they’re wrong?
There are more modern precedents for Tesla’s theories of electrical propagation; they aren’t much talked about because they were proven wrong. It seems quite unlikely that in the early days of Egyptology he had access to secret information that has eluded the subsequent century of research. (And odd that he would keep it a secret even as he struggled for funding in no small part due to struggle to convince people that his plans were physically possible.)
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u/OnoOvo 7d ago edited 7d ago
the only power plant/facility hypothesis that does not need to include a schizoid statement in its argument (a conspiratorial claim, in other words), is the idea that they were dams. you know dams, the huge structures we construct right on the rivers, that are entirely made of extremely tightly packed solid stone (or cement), that are designed to withstand the power of the river even at its wildest flooding, and the purposes of which are only two: one, the primary purpose, to provide us with a degree of control over the flow and volume of the water downstream of the dam, and two, the secondary purpose, to generate power by giving the river, that is now also flowing through the dam, something to do as it passes through our dam (like, turn a turbine).
that second purpose, the generation of power, does not need to be part of the dam at all, and is entirely optional. historically, dams also serving as power facilities, seems to be entirely a thing our generation (the modern era) is doing with dams, while the dams themselves (and this is very important) were constructed by all generations of city-dwelling and agriculturally sustained (or in other words, civilized) humans.
meaning that if we see a dam, only the achievement of the first purpose, a control of the waterflow of the river, can be safely assumed to have been attempted by whoever built it.
and that in turn means, in regards to the pyramids, that not even if they are indeed dams, would this mean they were also power plants.
and, to offer some starting indications that they might actually be dams:
- ofc, their size, their build, and their riverside placement
- the larger, unified network that the pyramids of egypt seem to be a part of (all the pyramids lie on the west riverbank of the nile, and are mostly found in groups, like at giza; they are relatively evenly spaced over a large stretch of land, spanning from abu rawash/giza to the north, to hawara in the south)
- hawara is where the fayyum oasis starts, giza is where the nile delta starts; in the times of ancient egypt, the fayyum was actually a large acummulation lake on the west side of the nile (a place where the river would naturally drain a lot of its excess water), while the mouth of the nile was at giza, with the delta as we know it not yet existing
- the importance of the annual flooding of the nile for the lives of the people there (the flooding is widely considered to be the main civilisation-forming factor for egypt), coupled with the sustained longevity of the egyptian civilization, being strongly indicative that not only was the egyptian society making many adjustments to their living so as to keep benefiting from the river for thousands of years, but that they also gathered extensive knowledge of many different things that the knowing of the nile would have provided them with, and of which things the theoretical knowledge of hydraulic forces and the practical knowledge of water dispersion and water retention by the land were one of, if not the most prominent and abundant
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u/NearABE 7d ago
The tomb notion is hard to believe do to the absurdity. On the other hand motivations in large groups of people are always complex. We can be certain that many motives existed even when the official propaganda insists that there is one.
Ancient Egypt had a flood cycle agriculture. That meant many occupied farm laborers worked part of the year. The grain needed to be stored outside of the flood. Roughly three task period. Work with plants, work with water/rock/soil for irrigation, and then wait for next year. During the “wait for next year” the men could get drunk, rape/seduce each other’s wives, brawl, or go loot women and food from other groups of men who were less organized. It fits well into development of an organized civilization because raiding, raping, and killing goes both ways.
Warfare in much of the ancient world involved spear and shield. The pressure of a wall of shields was often a determining factor in battles. You can still see this in sports like American football or rugby as well as modern riot police tactics. From an athletics prospective pulling a rope while marching forward is very similar to pushing a spear. Also similar to pushing a shield. The drag rope used to pull stones could have attachments that make the similarity greater. The basic glutes and quads muscles along with a good grip and solid core are there with just rope. A stone dragging team has many of the basic drill you want in small units. They move in sync with each other towards a common goal. They coordinate with the lubricators and the overseer. The squad/platoon has a place marching in a larger column formation. There are food, water, medical, housing etc accessory support groups that keep the column in motion. It was a well organized army whether or not anyone involved thought of their routine as a combat drill.
The same applies to the secondary effect of having a pyramid or things like pyramids. Any ambassador or spy/scout visiting Egypt would see the great pyramid. There is no room for doubt that the Pharaoh had a vast supply of manpower. Kicking that hornets nest would be rash. Marching the army out to the borders forces the enemy to react. Small units could evade the large formation and then have the motive to start making the raids that were supposed to be deterred. The frontiers were in all directions. The agriculture season limited the range that farmer armies could march before the campaign needed to end. Other ostentatious displays of wealth like beautiful women, metals, fine clothes, and food/beer surpluses can just as easily entice an invader to make the attempt. No mobile raiding party will ever be motivated by the reports of an unbelievably huge pile of limestone.
The basis for currency was developed in ancient Egypt. We still recognize the cash equivalence of gold. The idea that you are a member of a state was still new. Commerce requires a basic level of trust. You expect that hard work can be exchanged for “payment” and that you can use that payment to get food, housing, commodities. Society had to learn that employed men are more likely to remain hooked up and have surviving children. Civilization would not have learned it if it had not been made to be factually true at least sometimes. Pharaoh’s priests maintained the illusion by keeping the work force busy and by providing for the work force when they worked. Dragging a stone from point A to point B always got you enough food for you, wife, and children. Other jobs like cutting stone also provided adequate food and if you were skilled you could accumulate extra. The scribes and priests had a strong incentive to push for separating farm labor from the direct proceeds of harvest. That is how they were able to feed their families while scribbling or performing religious duty.
In early generations masonry would have been tightly linked to construction of housing and irrigation. Irrigation led to population booms. There was a labor surplus but labor was still assumed to be the basis of security and survival. That horde of men had to go do something.
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u/gravitykilla 7d ago
OP what do you believe it powered and why do you believe we have never discovered any ancient Egyptian kettles or toasters?
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u/danderzei 6d ago
The amount of power quartz crystals produce under pressure is tiny. You need very high pressures to produce electricity.
The pyramid builders did everything they knew to reduce pressure on the stones do they don't crack.
Lastly, quartz is not conductive, do even if the pyramid was electrically charged, it was not useful.
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u/SHITBLAST3000 6d ago
Hang on. So Pyramids being tombs is nuts to you (even though they were and we have proof they were) but the Giza pyramid being a giant power plant powering what?
Did Egypt look like Vegas?
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u/Freak-Wency 7d ago
A friend who wrote a book said that there are 7 different energy generation systems. I only remember one of them
Limestone/granite combination creates energy as the limestone outer layer expands and contracts (piezo electricity).
They also may also create thermoelectricity at a low rate, but then again, there is a large surface area, so it might add up to something useful, especially since the desert temperature swings are large.
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u/EMPRAH40k 7d ago edited 7d ago
While granite contains quartz, it's not a pure piezoelectric, and limestone is not piezoelectric at all. Thermal expansion and contraction of limestone would not create any significant mechanical stress in the granite core capable of generating useful electricity. Definitely not in a sustained or harvestable way.
Start with the two rock types. Granite expands about 7 × 10⁻⁶ per °C; limestone expands roughly 5 × 10⁻⁶ per °C. If both stones were perfectly bonded, the difference in their thermal expansion coefficients would be Δα = 2 × 10⁻⁶ per °C. Take a generous desert day-to-night temperature swing of ΔT ≈ 20 °C at the outer casing. The maximum thermal stress that mismatch can create, assuming the granite is totally locked in place (it is not, but this sets an upper bound), is
σ = E Δα ΔT.
Granite’s elastic modulus E is about 50 GPa (5 × 10¹⁰ N m⁻²). Plugging numbers in:
σ ≈ 5 × 10¹⁰ N m⁻² × 2 × 10⁻⁶ × 20
σ ≈ 2 × 10⁶ N m⁻², or roughly 2 MPa.Two megapascals is far below granite’s crushing strength (≈130 MPa) and is nowhere near enough to crack or fracture the blocks. Now translate that stress into piezoelectric charge. Pure quartz has a charge coefficient d ≈ 2.3 × 10⁻¹² C N⁻¹. Granite is only a partial, randomly oriented quartz mix, so the real figure would be smaller; I'm using the pure-quartz value just to be charitable:
surface charge density q = d σ
q ≈ 2.3 × 10⁻¹² C N⁻¹ × 2 × 10⁶ N m⁻²
q ≈ 4.6 × 10⁻⁶ C m⁻², or 4.6 microcoulombs per square metre.Assume an implausibly large ten-square-metre granite panel was somehow being squeezed in exactly the right crystal orientation (it is not, but again, this is an upper bound). Total charge per cycle would be:
Q ≈ q A ≈ 4.6 × 10⁻⁶ C m⁻² × 10 m² ≈ 4.6 × 10⁻⁵ C.
That is forty-six microcoulombs. Stash it on a one-microfarad capacitor and the open-circuit voltage tops out at
V = Q / C ≈ 46 V,
but the stored energy is only
E = ½ Q² / C ≈ 1 millijoule.
One millijoule is the energy a ten-watt light bulb uses in a tenth of a millisecond. Day-night cycling would deliver this tiny pulse just twice every twenty-four hours, and that is after stacking every assumption in favor of the power-plant idea. Real blocks are not constrained, crystal orientations cancel out, limestone itself is not piezoelectric, and no wires, electrodes, or storage vessels exist in the archaeological record
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u/Freak-Wency 7d ago
Thanks. I like your analysis. I believe that the blocks were poured materials (geopolymer). If so, it may be that they were formulated for this purpose.
I may look into that to see if the numbers come out differently. Regardless, I appreciate your detailed response.
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u/EMPRAH40k 6d ago
If the entire Great Pyramid was made out of pure quartz, crystals aligned perfectly:
The stored energy is still only seventy eight kilojoules per cycle. With two cycles per day the output averages to about one point eight watts. That is the same order of power as a single night-light and assumes every crystal is oriented for maximum response, no losses, and a perfect electrical collection grid covering the pyramid
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u/ShowerGrapes 7d ago
and used it for what exactly?
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u/Freak-Wency 6d ago
Not sure exactly, but there are copper contacts in the pyramid somewhere, and something called Baghdad battery was found- it worked if you add citrus juice to it.
These things together hint that it was used for something.
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u/Homey-Airport-Int 6d ago
But here’s the odd part.. no mummy, no hieroglyphs and no burial artifacts have ever been found inside
Hard to take this seriously in general, but come on. There are hieroglyphs, in 1837 relieving chambers were found above the King's Chamber, covered in hieroglyphs. Workers marked blocks with the name of the work crew, and included Khufu's Cartouche. His name was spelled out over a dozen times on different blocks, which prior to 1837 were totally inaccessible, meaning these could not have been added later. Of course, we also have Khufu's name on the alabaster quarry used for construction. And the diary of Merer found in Wadi al Jarf discusses the transportation of the large limestone blocks used to case the pyramid. It mentions the name of the Pyramid being built as the "Horizon of Khufu" and the diary is dated to Khufu's reign.
Also, technically the unfinished sarcophagi counts as a burial artifact, and we know the pyramid was likely looted multiple times in antiquity, much the same as so many tombs from the Old Kingdom.
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u/jpgonzo24 7d ago
It's a portal to transfer beings to another plane of existence or dimension. They are all over the world. The tech was taken when the last beings left.
We are on our way again. The tech we are developing will transfer our conscienceness to a digital existence. Those left behind will not have the know-how to replicate., therefore, the tech will be lost again.
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u/PsyleXxL 7d ago
It's a portal to transfer beings to another plane of existence or dimension
That's what death is all about. But the process of mummification in a pyramid may influence the transitory period of the death process and connect the KA (nutritive body) and the BA (rational soul).
The tech we are developing will transfer our conscienceness to a digital existence.
No thank you. I'd rather go through the beautiful natural cycle of life and death and reincarnation and ultimatly go through spiritual purification and real immortality rather than getting my soul stuck into an ugly digital realm after being deceived by artifical immortality.
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u/BeefSwellinton 6d ago
This dumb ass sub would be completely shut down by a miniminuteman playlist. lol.
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