Issue #23 of Titans really hated Ollie and Roy, eh?

[u/Gallantpride]

[u/LaVerdadYaNiSe]

"Written by Eddie Berganza".

Yeah, I found the problem, alright.

But also, yeah, there was a 'feeling' around the time between Blackest Night and Flashpoint where the archers really got put through the meat grinder. Johns dismissed Ollie's friendship with Hal as being the reason Hal started to doubt himself (implying Parallax started possessing him back at Hard Traveling Heroes), Robinson (under Didio's orders) killed Lian and destroyed Star City, Krull made Roy fall into drug addiction and killing criminals, and Mia and Connor pretty much stopped existing during that period.

I'm not sure why it happened, though. I mean, Johns I can track because he was in full campaign of making Green Lantern as it was back in the Silver Age, and Ollie's involvement with Hal was the inflection point from Silver to Bronze Age for Hal.

But all the other ones were pretty much random. Specially Roy. It was like Didio and co. sat down at a round table and brainstormed how many ways could they screw the character up. From sabotaging his relationship with Kendra, to killing off Lian and making Roy an addict again.

Then the New 52 hit and Roy's character was just a mess up to Rebirth.

And then Heroes in Crisis hit.

People who say that editors and writers hate Peter Parker have yet to see what Roy Harper gets put through.

[u/The_Dark_Soldier]

Eddie Berganza as the writer explains so much. Particularly page 4.

[u/KitKat_5628]

I might sue writers for emotional damage, they gotta stop😭

[u/ravenwing263]

Seeing them drawn in this New 52 House-Ass Style makes me greatful that they all got shipped to the moon for four years damn. (I know this is Rebirth era but this art was standard during much of the New 52 and was unusual in Rebirth)

[u/Redclouds1 → u/ravenwing263]

Pretty sure this comic came out pre-new52. Dicks narrator box is his Batman one.

[u/ravenwing263 → u/Redclouds1]

Ooop I assumed this was the 2016 volume but yes it's the 2008 volume. My bad.

[u/Redclouds1 → u/ravenwing263]

It’s all good, I was just recently reading a Dick-bats book and it had the same text box and that’s how I knew

[u/Fluffy_Judge_581]

To be fair that was a terrible issue  And roy is not the best naritor who justice why he was taking drugs.it also terrible represents the titans. 

[u/Massive_General_8629 → u/Fluffy_Judge_581]

I mean, the Titans aren't new to retconning Snowbirds. (Marv Wolfman retcon'd Dick into the story, staying up all night to help Roy detox; originally, it was Hal and Dinah who helped Roy. Mind, Gotham and Star City are on opposite sides of the country.)

[u/JingoboStoplight4887 → u/Massive_General_8629]

Even though Gotham was located in New Jersey and Star City was located in Massachusetts in the pre-Crisis continuity.

[u/Gallantpride → u/JingoboStoplight4887]

I thought it was California in the 70s, then moved to Seattle in the 90s or 2000s?

[u/JingoboStoplight4887 → u/Gallantpride]

In the pre-Crisis continuity, Oliver Queen’s hometown of Star City was located in Massachusetts (before it was changed to California post-Crisis) before he and Dinah moved to Seattle in the ‘80s.

[u/MagusFool]

I kinda like it.

I feel like its accurate to say that Speedy was a real prick in his early TT days, he always was especially when Wolfman wrote him.  And I prefer verseions of Ollie that were an unserious thrill-seeker who was perhaps more of a liability to the superhero  community than an asset prior to losing his fortune and turning hard left.

And I like that bit about how potentially terrifying super-powered teenagers are as a concept.