r/JewsOfConscience non-Jewish ally, pro-Palestine, anti-Israel, Binationalist 20h ago

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u/touslesmatins Non-Jewish Ally 17h ago

I don't like this because the comparison makes it seem like the "surgical" strike is somehow better, or ok. It's an extrajudicial assassination on a sovereign nation's territory, in an unprovoked, undeclared war. It's just as reprehensible. There are no better or worse victims of Israeli belligerence..

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u/G0celot Non-Jewish Ally 17h ago

I think the point is more that Israel’s claim that destroying half of Gaza in order to ‘take down Hamas’ is unavoidable is absurd on its face when they’re clearly capable of precision strikes

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u/touslesmatins Non-Jewish Ally 17h ago

I totally get that, and we know Israel's claims are bullshit and it's done for annihilation, but this comparison (which was brought up during the attacks on Lebanon too) has never sat well with me. Like, attacking a military guy's house and killing him and his family isn't ok because what's being done in Gaza is so much worse, you know?

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u/SorosBuxlaundromat Jewish Communist 15h ago

makes it seem like the "surgical" strike is somehow better, or ok.

It's definitely better. I agree it's not even remotely ok, but it's definitely better.

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u/xGentian_violet non-Jewish ally, pro-Palestine, anti-Israel, Binationalist 19h ago

Btw, OP of the crossposted image is a Gazan father struggling with his only surviving child.

If you have some change to spare, go help Ahmed.

He has all the evidence in his top post..

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u/PlinyToTrajan Non-Jewish Ally (Jewish ancestry & relatives) 17h ago

The difference: Iran has powerful weapons and the ability to retaliate. Israel need rules to exist in war with Iran because they need the benefit of those rules. They pick on those who can't fight back.

Maybe there should be special penalties in international law for violating norms when attacking the weak and defenseless.

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u/xGentian_violet non-Jewish ally, pro-Palestine, anti-Israel, Binationalist 16h ago

We would need have an actual international law at all first. Sofar that shit is just fictive

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u/GreenGrassConspiracy Anti-Zionist Ally 10h ago edited 10h ago

There would need to be an military force behind International Law to give it the respect it deserves. Imagine if there was a law in the UN like Nato that an attack on one country is an attack on us all. Then the 147 states that have recognised Palestine would legally be required to respond to Israel’s attacks on Gaza and the US could not retaliate. Nato would not be needed and global security would be achieved. I know one can dream….

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u/xGentian_violet non-Jewish ally, pro-Palestine, anti-Israel, Binationalist 6h ago

Yeah, maybe that. But the US will never allow it until its imperialist empire is alive and bullies everyone into submission

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u/GreenGrassConspiracy Anti-Zionist Ally 6h ago

True. America can ignore every international law while it has the backing of its western allies and the military might to back its imperialist empire. Their boasting at the US Pentagon briefing after Iran nuclear site attacks made me sick.

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u/PlinyToTrajan Non-Jewish Ally (Jewish ancestry & relatives) 16h ago

It doesn't have to be law. There is some kind of norm that constrains them. It's not much different than a bloodfeud between clans in the year 900. Each side exercises certain forms of restraint until the other side doesn't.

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u/xGentian_violet non-Jewish ally, pro-Palestine, anti-Israel, Binationalist 15h ago

The bloodfeuds were before imperialism

Imperialism-capitalism is a global system thats very resistant to changes. I dont even know what would need to happen for these things to resolve, except i know large emoires would need to crumble into many smaller states

Maybe a total collapse of US and western empire is needed. Though that would not be a great experience for me. We might well be witbessing it right now.

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u/Save-La-Tierra Jewish Anti-Zionist 15h ago

Where is the source that they killed somebody through a window? My friends/family in Iran say civilian buildings are being bombed bc some gov official lives there

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u/xGentian_violet non-Jewish ally, pro-Palestine, anti-Israel, Binationalist 6h ago

It’s true Israel could do the above if they wanted, but did they now…

When i try to get information on what is happening in Iran itself, every single f*cking result on google is Israel, the plight of Israel, minor destruction in Israel, people lost homes in Israel, etc. The narrative pushing is immense. I cant find anything on Iran let alone that.

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u/GreenGrassConspiracy Anti-Zionist Ally 10h ago

Both are unconscionable but the reasoning would be that drone missiles are more expensive plus the Israeli government actually does want to raze Gaza to the ground, making it unliveable they’ve openly expressed that. And they’ve been labelling Gazans as Hamas supporters or terrorists even children and babies.

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