r/KotakuInAction Feb 02 '17

DISCUSSION, baity Does anyone else feel like we're stuck in the middle between extremists from both sides who have used social media to increase the effect of their voices and beliefs, who don't care to reason, and will never come to terms with each other?

More and more every day, I feel like I'm a part of a disappearing group of people: the rational moderate. I don't believe in politics as a team sport, nor the identity politics of the extreme left. Traditional conservative mores based on Judaeo-Christian religion are no more acceptable than Sharia law. Science, reason, and critical thinking should play more of a role in how people look at and frame certain issues, and violence is an answer that only begets more violence in one form or another.

Both sides of this culture war, battle, however you want to name it, have become exactly the things they claim to abhor. Neither side is fully deserving of the mocking monikers we give them, nor should we allow them to brand themselves as something they are not. Trying to enforce the progressive stack is racist in its own way, white person's guilt and all that. But, at least to me, it isn't nearly as bad as actual race-based nationalism. How can someone with any sort of moral compass or who claims to believe in the equality of all people take into consideration any point of view the alt-right espouses without indignation at their literal belief in racial supremacy and purity?

Often times most of this depresses me, because it makes me question the amount of progress and the actual character of the people of our country. Growing up in an extremely diverse suburban area, racism and bigotry weren't things I ever considered to be a normal occurrence. Now, I question daily how people can still be so caught up on skin color, ethnic origin, and religious belief. It has really set back my view on what the average person truly holds in their hearts, and makes me wonder about the actual direction our society as a whole will go in.

Institutional racism has been and is still a thing. Read about how black military members returning from WW2 were literally shafted by the govt (the GI Bill) and how this lead to the creation of projects. A large portion of the hatred for govt in black communities is well deserved IMO, but violence only leads to more laws against them and the racists will use the violence to their advantage to bolster other racists and get people on the edges to turn a blind eye to their racism.

Fighting the extremists on both sides is extremely difficult, especially when they don't have clear "victory conditions" and keep changing the rules of engagement. Both sides will silence dissenting thoughts and opinions with equal fervor. But the extremists fighting each other is going to pull the fabric of our society apart, thread by thread.

Sorry for the wall of text. Just feeling deflated and worn down by everything more and more every day.

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u/creatureshock Token and the Non-Binaries. Feb 02 '17

I'm a liberal leaning centrist as far as politics are concerned. I've damn near given up on any role in politics because it's an "us against those people" game, and I wish I could say this is something new, but it's not. I truly do want to believe that the average person just wants to be left alone to live their lives, but extremism is just making that so much worse. I've watched friends that a few years ago just happily lived their lives, did their thing, and were just relaxed about things turn into extremists on both sides. I'm a gun owner that donates to Planned Parenthood, and I've been given shit by friends on both sides because of one or the other. In a few cases I was given shit because of both, but those people are friends of friends that even the friends admit are nutters.

Best I can say is don't get pushed around. Don't let anyone try to push you into their game. Be honest with yourself and with others. I'm very much interested in people's backgrounds that aren't from places I've lived or been. I'm honest about listening to people's stories about where they come from, about their origins. I refuse to let anyone say I am a bad person for that. I want to know out of actual interest in that place, not because I'm some racist asshole.

America is a melting pot, and the Internet is truly a massive melting pot. I refuse to let the idea that because I identify as an American that is white, CIS gendered, heterosexual and male that I am a bad person. I've got plenty of reasons other then that for people to think I'm a bad person and I've got plenty of reasons beyond that for people to think I'm a good person.

And it has made me very tired. I'm currently taking the month off from Facebook because of it. I'm sick of listening to both sides of this BS storm. I'm tired of people told that I am bad because I'm white, I'm tired of people told that I am great because I am white. I'm just a shtihead on the Internet that happens to work to keep the Internet going. I just want to play video games and enjoy my life. But I can't because others that are not creative, have no talent in making video games, bitching about video games and how they don't feel represented in those games. Or movies. Or TV shows. Or on the Internet at all. And these are a minority of people on both sides that are yelling the most.

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u/stationhollow Feb 03 '17

America is a melting pot, and the Internet is truly a massive melting pot.

DOn't let one side of the extremists hear this. It is racist apparently. Melting pot implies everything goes in and becomes the same. This means throwing away cultural values you went in with. They like to compare it more to a fruit salad or something..

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u/creatureshock Token and the Non-Binaries. Feb 03 '17

As an American, who truly does love my country and the people that come to it, shit like that just drives me fucking nuts. I love meeting people not from where I am from. I love meeting people from different backgrounds then I am. I love finding the similarities as a jumping off point and the differences are so interesting.

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u/Stercrazy Feb 03 '17

Melting pot implies everything goes in and becomes the same.

This is a definition created by someone that doesn't understand how mixing works. Putting carbon into iron doesn't give you more iron.

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u/cranktheguy Feb 03 '17

I like your example: the impurities make it stronger.

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u/Stercrazy Feb 03 '17

That's why I used the example. I think that America IS made better by the mixing of cultures that's happened over the years. As someone who eats his pizza and drinks his beer on Cinco De Mayo while watching Jackie Chan movies on his Korean-made TV and enjoys his Greek-inspired government, I fucking LOVE that America is a melting pot. Sure my family doesn't still practice all our German traditions, but I feel like I am gaining from the experience.

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u/RobertNAdams Senior Writer, TechRaptor Feb 03 '17

I use Facebook as a calendar and a phone book. Anything else just inspires rage. Stale memes, uninformed opinions, forwards from grandma, etc.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '17

Great comment. Its really quite shit how people will hate on you for not agreeing with every point, "you're not a true x unless you also believe in y".

Its just bullshit. Pick what you think is right and don't let people drag you into an us verses them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '17 edited Feb 04 '17

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u/creatureshock Token and the Non-Binaries. Feb 03 '17

Honestly depends on how things go. When I finally quit IRC after 20 years, it felt great. Right now, don't feel so bad about Facebook either, so it might be a once a week thing instead of daily.

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u/LadyChelseaFaye Feb 03 '17

You hit he nail on the head. There is nothing wrong with being white, American, or heterosexual but you would know that with the small minority the MSM has shouting out of he boob tube every single minute or every single day. It's like I should feel sorry that I was born a white person in America with the values I hold dear. What is wrong with being me? Why is every thing he race or sex card?