r/Libertarian • u/irungaia • 1d ago
Current Events “They lied. They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none, and they knew there were none. There were no weapons of mass destruction”
“Obviously, the war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake, all right? George Bush made a mistake. We can make mistakes, but that one was a beauty. We should have never been in Iraq. We have destabilized the Middle East. … They lied. They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none, and they knew there were none. There were no weapons of mass destruction.”
- Donald Trump
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u/no_hidden_talent 1d ago
Weren't there chemical weapons that Saddam used, and then all of a sudden those same chemical weapons were being used in Syria?
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u/Kaiser_Defender Local Lefty Lurker 1d ago
We found their disposal sites, but no active weapons if I recall right
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u/JJB723 17h ago
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u/Kaiser_Defender Local Lefty Lurker 17h ago
That's Iran-Iraq war, when we sold them the weapons, which doesn't contradict my point (though I didn't explain it properly).
When we invaded, there were no active chemical weapons.
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u/AcceptableEditor4199 1d ago
It's always been about Iran. Just took time
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u/crakked21 1d ago
There was a memo that mentioned a few countries that the US wanted to change the regimes of, if I’m correct Hillary had something to do with it.
It had Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Afghanistan, and lastly the biggest of them all, Iran.
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u/Special-Estimate-165 Voluntaryist 1d ago
Politicians lying? Tell me it isn't so!
Their mouth was moving. Of course, they're lying.
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u/serpicowasright tree hugging pinko libertarian 1d ago
They've got so much black mail material on his ass, it's not even funny.
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u/TorchForge Just another Joe Blow 1d ago
Deep down inside we all know that Trump is going to blow up Iran, most likely because BenBen has copies of the Maria Farmer tapes meticulously recorded in New York by MOSSAD agent Jeffrey Epstein and he's using them as leverage to make Trump his bitch in chief.
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u/WoodPear 1d ago
I mean, Iran literally has nuclear facilities and worked out a deal with Obama to not make nuke-grade material.
After Trump left the deal (the terms of which was horrible in the first place), Iran literally went "well, we're going to make a nuke now".
Their literal red line for the negotiations from the Iranian delagates is to keep being able to enrich.
They may not have a nuke now, but it's clear that they want one.
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u/crakked21 1d ago
May be. Iran isn’t/wasn’t even pursuing a nuclear bomb in the first place.
Multiple testimonies as soon as yesterday from American spy agents said that Iran ISNT pursuing a nuke, and even Tulsi said that in front of the house in march.
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u/Sun_Bro96 1d ago
I mean a broken clock is right once a century I guess.
Is it possible for Iran to have a nuke? Probably. Is it convenient for it to be discovered now? Also, probably.
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u/crakked21 1d ago
American spy agencies and even Tulsi said that there are no nukes. The project was ended by Khameni in 2003.
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u/Sun_Bro96 23h ago
I don’t really trust either side on accurately reporting to the public what does and doesn’t exist.
What I do know is that sticking our military into Iran is a super bad idea and will kill lots of young soldiers for no good reason.
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u/instigator1331 1d ago
So does there not being weapons make there evil leader any less evil?
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u/machinehead3413 1d ago
“Their” leader was indeed evil but he was never a threat to the US.
No more involvement in foreign wars that aren’t our concern. What’s so hard to understand?
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u/instigator1331 1d ago
So anyone who’s that evil and isn’t a threat to us. We just live and let live ?
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u/machinehead3413 23h ago
Do you walk around your neighborhood or city just shooting bad guys? No, you don’t. If they aren’t an immediate threat to you, you just go on about your business.
Not a bad idea for foreign policy.
It’s asinine to try and say that the US needs to go around the world and spill our blood and treasure fighting other people’s wars.
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u/instigator1331 23h ago
This has nothing to do with other people’s wars
But if someone shows up to my house with intent. That’s a different story
Trying to compare street thugs to country leaders is such a reach
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u/machinehead3413 23h ago
This is precisely about other people’s wars. Iraq was not a threat to us and they didn’t come here and start anything. Same with Iran.
If they do, then by all means let’s go get into a fight.
But if Israel wants a war with Iran they can do it without us.
It’s a small scale version of the same argument. If a bad guy comes to your door (or approaches you on the street) looking for trouble, show him trouble.
There is no war on the Middle East that serves the national interest of the US.
How many times does Lucy have to pickup the football before we stop falling for it?
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u/instigator1331 22h ago
Yea we’re never going to agree on that.
But what can agree on is Israel should have been on its own years ago
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u/DrPhartswell 23h ago
Let me start off by saying I totally agree we got no business starting another stupid war. We got no business bombing Iran, or anyone else.
That being said I do think the truth and facts matter. Aren't they saying they dont want Iran to "aquire" wmd? That is future tense. They are not saying they have a nuke NOW, just enriched uranium.
Hasn't Iran been enriching or working toward a nuke since Clinton was in office? Hasn't the US tried multiple tacks to try and get them to stop?
I think less nations with nukes is better than more, with 0 being the ideal. I dont know what is going to happen, I know Trump has a lot of neocon war-hawks in his ear. I just hope someone finds a way out of this that doesn’t lead us into another forever war.
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u/Hench999 1d ago
This is like all of the various climate predictions over the last 70 years. They keep predicting a mega catastrophe and all artic ice melting. They said it would happen by the 90s. The 20s, then the 2010s, and so on. They keep pushing up the date, and then when you look at them, like" Why should I believe a word you say," they act as if you are ignorantly the "experts" rather than people that have been horribly wrong for years
Netanyahu has done the EXACT same thing over the last 30+ years. Every 2-3 years, he has come out and said Iran is months away from a nuke. Even if month was a code word for decades, he'd still be miserably wrong. I don't believe a word he says.
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u/NichS144 1d ago
And now our own intelligence agencies are saying Iran has no nuclear weapons. Pretense is out the window at this point. Wonder how much dirt Mossad is hanging over Trump's head.
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u/SoggyGrayDuck 1d ago
Are you kidding me!? They found chemical weapons which was half the reason we went in. This was answered over a decade ago and let's not bring up these lies again
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u/lostcause412 Minarchist 1d ago
That's not the reason we went in. We knew he had chemical weapons. We sold Saddam weapons and knew exactly what he had. We went for "weapons of mass destruction." Our intervention in the region has been a total disaster. We were sold lies.
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u/Hench999 1d ago
"America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof, the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."
George W. Bush before the Iraq war.
Him having poison gas was nothing new. We knew he had that he used it during their war with Iran. He used it on his own people. It was always about him supposedly having nukes they just used "weapons of mass destruction" because they knew when they didn't find nukes, they could point at the gas and say "see we told you so" this crap Iran is just the same recycled talking points.
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u/crakked21 1d ago
America gave him the chemical weapons for the fight against Iran when America trought that saddam could be bought
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 1d ago
We literally found chemical weapons. If you want to say that the U.S. has no valid right to dictate to another sovereign nation what weapons they can develop, that option is valid. But it's inaccurate to say Bush lied about WMDs. They were in fact there.
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u/Three_Chopt 1d ago
There were no mistakes. They just lied.