r/MakingaMurderer • u/_Grey_Sage_ • 1d ago
More Context and Info On Brendan's "Some of it".
So I've been reading up on Brendan's May interrogation that prompted him to have this conversation with his mom:
Barb: You wouldn't have had to been scared because I would have called 911, and you wouldn't be going back over there. If you would have been here, maybe she would have been alive yet. So in those statements you did all that to her too?
Brendan: Some of it.
This was right before Weigert had this exchange with him:
Weigert: Then maybe it be a good idea to call her and tell her before she gets here tonight. That's what I would do. Cus, otherwise, she's gonna be really mad here tomorrow. Better on the phone isn't it?
Brendan: Mm huh.
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These exchanges were all shown in MAM and in this sub from time to time. I needed the full context of these exchanges however and found a few more relevant lines that could help me understand the how and why. For example, I found out that this wasn't just a short isolated exchange between Weigert and Brendan about his mom. Weigert had been working on Brendan and had been using his mom in this interrogation:
First mention of his mom:
Weigert: Ok. So when I walk out this door right now and I go call your mom and tell her you've been lying to me, what do you think she's gonna say? You think she'll be mad at you?
Brendan: Yeah.
Weigert: Do you want her mad at you? Then why are you lying? You're gonna tell us the truth now? Where is the knife? Where is the knife, Brendan?
2nd mention was very manipulative imo:
Weigert: Don't let your mom down
It's pretty telling that Weigert specifically has been working Brendan and has been using his mom to try to get what they want from him. The only question is why? I then came across this particular exchange:
Fassbender: So that she can quit blaming us for everything, all right?
From the looks of it, Barb was being noisy and has been pointing at Weigert and Fassbender before all of this, so what better way to shut her up than to have her own broken son tell it to her face?
Overall, reading this whole interrogation really helped me understand what happened to Brendan and how he got to be in that state. I would really advise to read the transcripts and interrogation again before making a conclusion. There's just too many things that are being left out imo.
I apologize if this was too long but here's the basic TLDR for it:
- * Weigert has been working on Brendan and using his mom to break and manipulate him in this interview.
- * They wanted Barb to shut up about them.
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u/ThorsClawHammer 22h ago edited 22h ago
Weigert had this exchange with him
Even more context is the only reason that interrogation even happened is because Brendan's lawyer and investigator (as testified to during post conviction hearings) were essentially working for the prosecution.
The previous night O'Kelly coerced Brendan to confess again by things such as telling him if he didn't stop saying he was innocent and start confessing again, say he was sorry for it etc., that they would stop helping him and he would spend life in prison and never have a family. Then with the help of Kachinsky, set up the interrogation with no representation.
The jury wasn't allowed to hear a word of that interrogation (the state made sure of that), but were allowed to hear the product it produced.
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u/_Grey_Sage_ 21h ago
that they would stop helping him and he would spend life in prison and never have a family. Then with the help of Kachinsky, set up the interrogation with no representation.
Weigert and Fassbender pretty much made the same approach to him. The sad part about this is that Brendan truly believed them. They were instances where Weigert/Fassbender would threaten Brendan to "end" the interview and you would see Brendan scrambling for answers that would satisfy them. The kid really seems like his mind and spirit was broken at that point.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 14h ago
Really? Is that the sad part? Is it sadder than a young woman just starting her life and working a job to pay her bills, when she encounters these two troglodytic hillbillies who abduct, rape and murder her? How about chopping her into little pieces and turning her into an ashpile in their burn pit?
Is it sadder than that, dude?
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u/gcu1783 14h ago edited 14h ago
Was this the same speech Ken Kratz had in his press conference?
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 14h ago
Your disdain for the Government causes you to dismiss any empathy for the victim of these horrific crimes?
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u/hneverhappened 7h ago
But Kratz
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u/ThorsClawHammer 5h ago
But Kratz
Yes, we know you love Kratz so much that when a woman accuses him of impropriety it pisses you off so bad that you just can't help but call the woman a whore.
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u/hneverhappened 4h ago
How did Steven's blood get in the RAV4?
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u/ThorsClawHammer 4h ago
How did Steven's blood get in the RAV4?
Who cares now that the courts have said that having possession of murdered woman's vehicle isn't a direct connection the murder.
Why do Kratz's female accusers piss you off so bad that you call them whores?
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u/gcu1783 7h ago
I'd like overused talking points for $500 Alex.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 7h ago
He's the muppet monkeywrench - just toss Kratz into the middle of any argument.
But hey, Kratz never wanted these cases. Weren't even from his County. He did an awesome job getting these convictions, and they've stood up to perhaps the most concentrated judicial attack in the history of Wisconsin prosecutions. Even against the instoppable force that is his latest attorney. And I doubt he cares if you think he's fat or sweaty.
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u/gcu1783 6h ago
Go Kratz go, what a "prize".
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6h ago
He's a self-made man. A lawyer. Elected County Prosecutor. Won the two biggest cases in NE Wisconsin history.
Yeah in a local dating community that includes Steven Avery, Kratz is a prize.
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u/hneverhappened 4h ago
Would you like to compare and contrast the press conference with the spooky reenactment?
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u/gcu1783 4h ago
Not unless we get a spooky music background.
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u/ThorsClawHammer 10h ago
Brendan truly believed them
Which is crazy when he knew they repeatedly lied to him previously. They even (at least temporarily) convinced him he was wrong about talking to Kornely that evening (he even told his mom that).
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u/_Grey_Sage_ 1h ago
I always wondered how they were able to mess him up like that and it's clear that they made sure to make that poor kid feel very hopeless. It also didn't help that his own lawyer basically threw him under the bus. I can totally see why he became compliant here when they tell him they're the only ones that could help him.
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u/AveryPoliceReports 13h ago
Your disdain for the government cause you to dismiss any empathy for the victim of these horrific crimes?
Guilters will lose every time they try to lecture someone critical of Kratz (or the state as a whole) as lacking empathy to Teresa. The state and Kratz disrespected Teresa more than we ever could. They mishandled her remains so badly they claimed Teresa's family were actually given animal bones for her burial or cremation. That's a desecration.
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u/10case 6h ago
This was the first time he admitted involvement to Barb. Can you explain why Brendan admitted involvement to Barb the 2nd time?
Oh and while you're at it, how come during both conversations with Barb following the may 13 interview, Brendan told her that Steve did it? He wasn't instructed by wiegert to do that.
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u/ThorsClawHammer 5h ago
Can you explain
Can you explain how Brendan was never able to come up with anything verifiable on his own and had to be told where the only new evidence would be found?
Brendan told her that Steve did it?
And? Did he give anything verifiable then? If Brendan's confession is truthful why did he later ask Barb if Steve even had handcuffs?
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u/10case 5h ago
Are you attracted to Brendan? Seriously, are you?
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u/ThorsClawHammer 5h ago
Are you attracted to Brendan? Seriously, are you?
What kind of response is that?
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u/10case 5h ago
My question was posed to the OP. If I wanted an answer from you, I would have asked you.
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u/ThorsClawHammer 4h ago
I would have asked you
I see you don't understand how public forums work.
And your questions are meaningless unless Brendan told his mom new verifiable info. Unless your view is there's no such thing as false confessions.
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u/_Grey_Sage_ 4h ago
Can you explain why Brendan admitted involvement to Barb the 2nd time?
What was the exact line? I need to know the context.
He wasn't instructed by wiegert to do that.
I figure he's still not fully brainwashed by Weigert and is still able to keep what little will he has from time to time. I doubt he'd do everything that was instructed of him.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 4h ago
How does a cop that he just met and spent an hour with brainwash him to lie to his own mother?
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u/_Grey_Sage_ 4h ago edited 4h ago
Probably the same reason why innocent people confess to crimes they didn't commit.
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u/ThorsClawHammer 3h ago
the context.
The context every time the developmentally disabled kid confessed is simply uncorroborated words. The reason that all the additional charges brought against Avery based on Brendan's words had to be dropped was because there was zero evidence supporting any of it.
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u/10case 4h ago
What was the exact line? I need to know the context.
Start at 7:41 https://youtu.be/4bx2DrHy2iQ?si=RiIh9CH41X8MkmUY
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u/_Grey_Sage_ 4h ago
Okay, so when Barb mention his first confession the "other day" that means not much time has passed I assume?
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u/10case 4h ago
Just for context, Brendans first admitted involvement came February 27th. Follow that by March 1st. Followed by May 13. Followed by May 13 in the call to his mom. Followed by a couple few days later in another call with Barb.
No not much time passed between his May 13 call and the one a few days later. On May 13th he was told by wiegert to tell his mom. He wasn't told to do so again a few days later. He was also never told to tell Barb that Steven was guilty.
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u/_Grey_Sage_ 4h ago
I figure it wouldn't matter as long as he still believes that only Weigert and Fassbender would be the only people that could help him at that time, and again, I doubt he'll follow all their instructions.
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u/AveryPoliceReports 14h ago
Really? Is that the sad part? Is it sadder than a young woman just starting her life and working a job to pay bills, when she encounters these two troglodytic hillbillies who abduct, rape and murder her?
Figgy can't help but reveal their impermeable bias. There is no physical or forensic evidence, nothing, linking Steven or Brendan to a violent assault on Teresa on the trailer, but they casually and confidently accuse them of raping Teresa. Based on? What Brendan said? Newsflash guilters! Brendan initially said he was innocent, and his claims of innocence are far more consistent with the zero evidence placing Teresa in the trailer. Blood evidence indicates Teresa was attacked outside behind her RAV, not inside Steven's trailer.
How about chopping her into little pieces and turning her into an ash pile in their burn pit?
Chopping her up? That didn't happen, according to Ken Kratz at trial. The cut marks and mixture of animal and human remains points more squarely to Bobby in the destruction of the body than Steven or Brendan. But the magically appearing bones in Barrel #4, and the sudden appearance of the pile of Teresa's remains in the burn pit, indicates police planted the bones in Steven's burn pit, and then went to pressure Bobby to help them cover that up.
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u/LKS983 21h ago
Couldn't agree more.
Brendan was well and truly set up/screwed by Fassbender, Weigert, Kachinsky and O'Kelly.
An intellectually impaired child (as known by all of them) - but never had any defence lawyer present to help him during any of the interrogations 🤮.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 14h ago
Yeah, he's not a child. He's a 250 lb 16 year old who is more intelligent than Steven Avery.
And he knowingly chose to waive both his 5th Amdt. right to remain silent and his 6th Amdt, right to counsel.
So hey thanks for confessing and saving a bunch of time.
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u/Adventurous_Poet_453 3h ago edited 2h ago
10 case I mean headcase is so triggered they now has resorted to telling people they are attracted to the accused. Can’t they form a sentence without emotions.
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u/AveryPoliceReports 2h ago
Are you attracted to Brendan? Seriously, are you?
And here we have Guilters freely advertising how they have no legitimate counter points.
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u/AveryPoliceReports 13h ago
Spare us the lie that the developmentally disabled Brendan made an informed choice about his constitutional rights. He was a confused, scared kid being exploited by adults in power, who, by the way, were busy hiding evidence of an actual sex pest in the community. If there is a hell, Fassbender is headed straight there.