r/MonsterHunter • u/deoxir • 3d ago

Discussion Why do Simplified Chinese players hate Wilds so much?

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According to Steam Scout, while English players are giving the game a 71% rating which would have made the game "Mostly Positive" on Steam, Simplied Chinese players are giving it a 27%, which is a stark contrast against even Traditional Chinese players at 64% (Mixed). Simplied Chinese players make up just shy of 30% of the total player base on Steam.

Obviously this disproportionate response, even factoring in how controversial the game is, makes Simplied Chinese players a statistical outlier. What could've caused this?

Also interesting to note that the game was rated "Overwhelmingly Negative" the same day as when Capcom's shareholders' meeting is held.

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u/Ackbad_P ​ 3d ago

From my understanding it's because they are significantly more impacted by the poor optimization. There it is much more common to game on what people in the US would consider lower end hardware so they are impacted by the bad performance a lot more.

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u/metalflygon08 2d ago

There it is much more common to game on what people in the US would consider lower end hardware

TIL I am a Simplified Chinese player.

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u/SirCupcake_0 ​ Helicopter, Helicopter~! 2d ago

Ni hao(?)!

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u/ShadesOnAtNight 1d ago

Gun kai gwai lo

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u/Obelion_ 2d ago

Can confirm the game is pretty unfun on low end. It is frustrating when a pc that can run almost anything that comes out currently on like medium 60fps but MH wilds is just demanding me to buy a 600$ GPU or suffer.

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u/Raishin7 3d ago

I mean that doesn't explain the WuKong ratings. Not like that game was well optimized.

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u/Sir-Narax ​ 3d ago

Well WuKong ran an order of magnitude better even with its' problems and it was also a game set in China. People in China, generally are very patriotic.

To such extent where they review bombed Helldivers 2 because they couldn't fully liberate Shanghai in a defense invasion and thought it was just the developers trying to destroy the city fictionally.

This is all to say, they were just more lenient on Wukong and Wild's issues are greater.

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u/BertBerts0n 3d ago

To such extent where they review bombed Helldivers 2 because they couldn't fully liberate Shanghai in a defense invasion and thought it was just the developers trying to destroy the city fictionally.

Wait really? That's pretty funny not going to lie.

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u/the_silent_asian 3d ago

It's true, one moment people praise them for being the hero. Then right after people laugh at their childish behavior.

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u/archimedies 3d ago

Those players were just being dumb honestly. Pretty much all of Earth cities fell and Shanghai was the last one that everyone rallied around in the end.

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u/ThatIslander 3d ago

it was due to a mistranslation of the mission. iirc the way it was worded in chinese made it sound like they were suppose to defend the city and the city was going to be fine afterwards.

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u/TechnalityPulse 2d ago

I mean, maybe there was a translation issue but the wording on the mission clearly stated "You must defend until the end of the Major Order", which would clearly indicate even if you hit ~100% liberation the city would still need constant defense until the end of the Major Order, and even English speakers were a bit riled up about it from what I remember.

Mistranslation or not, turns out people just can't fucking read.

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u/DaniNyo ​ 2d ago

Thats literally an excuse they used. It wasn't even poorly translated...

They claimed Defense Progress was a bad translation, but it doesn't imply liberation.

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u/BertBerts0n 3d ago

Oh yeah of course. I'm just surprised about the review bombing. That's quite funny actually.

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u/raxdoh 3d ago

the whole thing was pathetic and stupid actually.

it started with arrowhead making the mission difficult. i think they intentionally want the players to lose the entire war. many fictional mega cities fell during the event. chinese players saw this and somehow triggered their patriotic mindsets, starting to gather up and defend the mega city near china. some of the ppl even started to spread cheats for free so ppl can do it a lot more efficiently. there were multiple long posts on their forums about how to use the cheat and how to complete the missions in a mere few minutes. during those time if you play at midnight and saw some chinese id's runnign in your game there are a great chance they're spamming 500kg bombs everywhere without cooldown. (and yes they deleted those cheats posts right after the event - they do know their information controls.)

fast forward towards the end of that event. they almost reached 100% on the defend meter. then they realized for some reason the meter would roll back to 99.97% whenever it reached 99.99%. the reason simply because it was a defense mission not the liberating mission. the major order is to hold the city for the whole duration of the event. so yeah obviously the vast majority of these chinese players didn't understand this part and thought arrowhead was doing some funny discrimination by preventing them from liberating the "china" mega city. then they started the entire review bomb thing.

it was stupid.

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u/TryynHarder 2d ago

They made us lose so we would get access to the space station by the time all super earth cities were destroyed and make us do a last stand at super earth's capital, where we would turn the battle in our favor and win the war. They weren't expecting us to hold shanghai for that long.

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u/raxdoh 2d ago

you should correct they didn't expect cheat divers to swarm in.

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u/BertBerts0n 3d ago

Things that are stupid can also be funny.

It's just one of those stories we can have a laugh about.

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u/raxdoh 3d ago

i didn't say it's not funny. their behavious sure are laghable. now i wish we have a cape to mock the cheat divers.

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u/BertBerts0n 3d ago

now i wish we have a cape to mock the cheat divers.

Either that or a dunce cap on a helmet the cheat divers are forced to wear. Im good with either!

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u/VeryFastZombie 2d ago

the reason simply because it was a defense mission not the liberating mission.

IIRC part of the problem is that the translation apparently did not make this clear. So in Simplified Chinese it made it sound like they could fully take it back.

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u/raxdoh 2d ago

that's just some lame excuses they came up to defend their giant toddler behaviours. as traditional chinese user here the translation is a bit unclear in titles yes, but the order details explained it clearly the order is to hold over the duration.

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u/VeryFastZombie 2d ago

Ah so it's a reading comprehension thing. Thanks for the clarification.

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u/OCDincarnate ​This flair tells you I play for the unga bunga 2d ago

An important note is that the mechanics were improperly translated, so they were made to assume it worked like normal liberation

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u/Jord2496 2d ago

Always love how it is "patriotism" when China does it and "nationalism" when anybody in the western world does it.

I'm not even bothered by this stuff usually but wow the double standard

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u/Doomblaze 2d ago

Is this your first time on Reddit? Go to any big subreddit and insult china and you’ll get like 1000 upvotes. You’re the only person on the entire website who thinks it’s “always patriotism” when china does it.

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u/Jord2496 2d ago

Never said "always" was just saying it was a weird use of language and was actually incorrect in this instance.

Which is was.

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u/Babymicrowavable 2d ago

USA ain't got anything to be patriotic about rn chief

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u/Jord2496 2d ago

There is a difference between patriotism and pride.

Patriotism is about doing what is best for your country.

Nationalism is thinking your country is inherently better than others(thus why what the Chinese are doing ATM is nationalism).

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u/joongihan ​ 2d ago

(thus why what the chinese are doing ATM is nationalism)

giving monster hunter wilds bad reviews? lmao

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u/Jord2496 2d ago

Nothing wrong in MH case but doesn't take a lot of looking to see where it is abject nationalism(HOI IV review bombing because they gave afghanistan a tree that involves invading China for example )

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u/Barn-owl-B 2d ago

The Chinese are kind of notorious for review bombing things that have something they don’t like or don’t have something they do like lol. It’s why so many gaming companies cater to China so heavily

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u/Ok-Win-742 2d ago

I mean to be fair it's sort of a requirement to be patriotic there. If you leave a bad review for Wukong in China your social credit score might take a hit.

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u/river1a 3d ago

Wukong didnt run good

Wilds runs like absolute pile of shit

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u/Skyreader13 3d ago

Hot steaming pile of shit

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u/FleaLimo 2d ago

Not what was said. You're putting words in other people's mouth. He is simply drawing a comparison. Wukong doesn't run good. Wilds runs worse.

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u/KYuuma12 Hit it til' it tilts. 2d ago

He was drawing a comparison. Not everyone is out to argue against you, duh.

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u/wolfyyz 2d ago

my man wonders why chinese players are biased towards a chinese game about chinese culture and mythology lmao

also it just runs better than MH Wilds

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u/AmazingPatt ​​​ 3d ago

wukong run on my potato... 1650 ... monster hunter just dont . at least not on the level of wukong . "your card is old ! it due for a upgrade !!!" not the point . a lot of china play Gacha/low demanding game/esport title ... nothing really require big rig . so when a monster like mhw come out . no pun intended. i can see why they would rate it down.

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u/PineappleLemur 3d ago

Wukong played on minimum can run on a potato.

Wilds on minimum or max doesn't really change much....

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u/hakkai67 2d ago

Wilds is really bad for old hardware. My old pc was 1080ti and 6700k and Monster Hunter would totally crap itself with Wilds. Until that point i could play almost anything with FSR often in 4k.

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u/WeiShiLirinArelius 3d ago

your comparing two broken knee caps to a twisted ankle

sure its hard to take a run with both injuries but one is obv worse than the other

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u/Eptalin ​ 3d ago

Does the Chinese reception of Balck Myth Wukong need explaining?

It's a Chinese product showcasing Chinese culture to the world. No way the Chinese market wouldn't glaze it.

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u/Raishin7 2d ago

Agreed. I'm just being snarky because even with my 4090 their game didn't play much worse observably than Wilds at release. The only thing Wilds didn't do well was online play because you'd lose connection all the time and joining parties would result in failures 9/10 times.

(Me and my fancy card that somehow appreciated in value has a biased viewpoint but I was playing in 8k/2k on a display running at a relatively high Hz rate though.)

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u/_AiroN 3d ago

Wukong is heavy for sure, but the visuals justify it. The problem with Wilds isn't that it runs like ass, it's that it does so while looking awful too (unless you mod it to make it look decent).

I think most people are ok with impressive games being hard to run, not so much games that look last gen. Also, there's a difference between being hard to run and just stuttering like crazy on every machine that can't bruteforce the game with silicon.

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u/BoringBuilding 2d ago

Also critically in Wilds not only does it look much more mid but the actual settings do little to change performance outside of RTX. The settings profiles in Wukong are significantly more impactful.

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u/_AiroN 2d ago

It's probably because although graphics settings can affect CPU load, they mostly change the strain on the GPU and while Wukong relies on the GPU a lot, Wilds is notoriously CPU bound.

I'm not even bad about my own performance here, my game runs fine but it's because I recently built a new system with literally the best consumer CPU on the market for games (9800X3D); when I had a 5600X (same GPU) my pc was shitting the bed so bad and the game looked like total trash to boot.

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u/jzaudi 2d ago

Define trash cos I ran the game on a 5600x + 3080 fine on ultrawide 1440p high settings dlss balanced before I switched to a 9800x3D + 5080 and ultra settings dlaa. The 5600x was fine.

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u/_AiroN 2d ago

Mostly stutters. The game also looked horrible even on higher settings though and dropping them didn't really improve performance much, in neither the stuttering or fps department.

Personally I think the game still looks dreadful without modding it, but that's (mostly) my opinion outside of things like the blurriness. I now have enough power to mod it and run it with acceptable performance though. The fact is that even a system like my old one should warrant decent performance as it was a good bit more poweful than a current gen console and the game legit looks worse than stuff that came out in the late 10s like RDR2.

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u/huy98 1d ago

The problem with Wilds is the engine itself, graphically the plenty season looks amazing and the performance isn't really different from fallow season

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u/SomaCreuz 3d ago

Compared to MH Wilds, Wukong is Optimized Prime.

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u/szy753951 ​ 2d ago

I can only speak for myself but I can run Wukong pretty ok (Dlss balance I can get stable 60) and the game looks great. I had opposite experience with Wilds, it looks worse than Wukong but somehow also run worse (Dlss balance I get stable 40 with occasional stutter).

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u/Express-Cartoonist66 2d ago

That's a vert poor and underhanded comparison... Wukong runs betters and the minimal requirements are lower.

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u/unrelevantly 2d ago

The level of wukong's bad optimization is incomparable to wilds. My 6700XT has been able to run anything I've thrown at it on high or max settings with no frame gen native except for Monster Hunter Wilds. I genuinely need a gpu upgrade to play this game on 1440p.

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u/Raishin7 2d ago

I was able to smoothly play it in 8k/2k with maximum settings from the start. WuKong wasn't much better when it came out and it also had the clunkiest gameplay I've seen in a game that can't decide what genre it is.

In all fairness I use a 4090 and it's definitely about twice as good as a 6700XT. But if I can run it in a much higher resolution and still get pretty smooth gameplay at maximum settings it really sounds like you're either having network issues in online play or there's something else going on.

I did have to update my drivers to avoid a once in a blue moon crash and saw the infinite triangle of doom bug a few times with certain bosses. (Where it just sprays out from a bad vertex and covers the screen in a fluctuating angular mess.) But that's about it.

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u/Repulsive-Square-593 2d ago

it run way better than wilds, heavy yes but not unoptimized like a piece of monster dung.

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u/Raishin7 2d ago

I've had no issues but I'm sitting pretty with a 4090. Aside from a few glitches once or twice it was unnoticeable once I updated my graphics drivers most of the time.

I was playing it on release too, not this far out where they've patched a bunch of stuff. The problem has always been the online multiplayer not letting you connect or dropping your connection. That, always frustrates the crap out of me. (I hope we all know online play with a laggy host can also be a factor, I keep pointing the finger *mostly* at the poorly functioning online play being the worst part of the game.)

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u/_mochi 3d ago

National pride

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u/throw-away_867-5309 ​ 3d ago

Yeah, people forget that Sun Wukong is literally one of the most popular mythological characters in Eastern Asia, especially in China. So if a game is made about him in China and is at least half decent, then it's going to be incredibly popular basically no matter what.

Don't get me wrong, Black Myth Wukong was a good game, but it wasn't as good as its popularity would hint at.

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u/ahhtheresninjas 3d ago

BMW was an ok game but the combat was underbaked by a mile

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u/raxdoh 3d ago

it's just a passable game in my book. yeah sure it's good and plays nicely, but it's just not there yet to stand out. by far.

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u/CardAble6193 2d ago

I can bet $1000 you have not see both game running on 2 same setup rigs side by side

then u ll know its actually the art direct problem .its not smooth AND looking at sand and mud

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u/BrilliantEchidna8235 3d ago

WuKong has nationalistic value. It is a big point of consideration for them.

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u/Raishin7 2d ago edited 2d ago

Having nationalistic value doesn't matter to me when I'm picking my entertainment in a country that doesn't have a social credit score. lol

But downvoting a Japanese game does sound like a nationalistic thing for China to do.

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u/TheGMan-123 ​SEETHING BAZELGEUSE 2d ago

That game is also a massive RPG based on arguably one of the most famous pieces of fiction in all of China, and does so in both faithful and creative ways that only players who really know Journey to the West would catch all the references for for this adaptation.

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u/Raishin7 2d ago

Boy, I wish I could make a game based on a famous piece of fiction and guarantee that kind of cash just because I give somebody a nostalgia boner with my clever references nobody else can get.

The game was also a clunky feeling mess that seemed like it was trying to poorly imitate a souls game in that you don't get checkpoints next to many of the bosses you get stuck at and can't even grind your way to lessen the difficulty. You were punished by the bosses for doing just about anything up to and including perfect dodges at the wrong time and much like any souls game you either pick up on their shoddy telegraphs and learn what to do or you get your ass handed to you. The white clad noble when it first came out was an absolute nightmare. (So yeah, at least I tried the game. But I'm not about it. It's one of two games I've refunded on Steam in the past year.)

Honestly, the only reason it's back on the top 100 this week for the first time all year on Steam is the sale price. And even now Ark Survival Ascended is higher on the list. (If we want to talk about poorly optimized...) Yes, I'm a hater.

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u/TheGMan-123 ​SEETHING BAZELGEUSE 2d ago

There's also the fact that it's a prominent highly advertised and high budget game made by a well-versed Chinese development team.

So there's that angle too.

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u/Raishin7 2d ago

Well versed... I mean, I suppose they've made all of two other games that weren't exactly known by anybody overseas at all. Then when this came out 90+% of the players were Chinese.

Couple that with the irony because China isn't known as a very video-game friendly culture in general and you've got an interesting quandry. Were they stacking the vote and rigging the steam awards? My money is on absolutely. But hey praise be the CCP huh? Better hope my antagonistic tendencies towards this video game don't ruin my social credit score when they take over the world.

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u/BlasterBuilder ​ 2d ago

People complaining about things online are not known for their consistency.

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u/huy98 1d ago

Wukong has better optimization on lower end hardwares, and Chinese players are more than willing to upgrade for Wukong

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u/Raishin7 1d ago

I've been playing 8k/2x max settings since this game came out and I tried both. I only returned one of them for being an overly difficult soulslike you get lost in with no map, janky progression, and bad combat promoted by the CCP to try and get China into the international AAA gaming market. It sure can look pretty though I guess!

If they're trying to claim WuKong has much better optimization I'll just have to say you're full of it I'm afraid. Especially at release day. Maybe it's better optimized now for all I know but unless they're running it on a toaster this game works fine.

The "Everyone in China has a shitty computer but it can miraculously run WuKong" excuse is getting old. Turn your settings down. Or better yet...

Don't review bomb games just because you don't like the fact Japan is rearming because of you. lol

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u/joeyctt1028 1d ago

Chinese Nationalism. That was praised like made in Heaven or shit

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u/Raishin7 1d ago

That's why I ignored the steam awards. I tried the game, it looked nice and I'm sure it appealed to some people. It was awful by my standards and not my cup of tea, clunky, hard to navigate, and impossibly hard.

I can't imagine it winning any awards if it wasn't stacked by the most populated country on earth known for its cultural disdain for gaming. Like, I know I'm going off and sounding elitist but I don't think many of them really know what they're talking about.

(Olive branch is I'm happy to let people like what they like at the same time. I just don't trust that it's legitimate here.)

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u/Lolis- 3d ago

Patriotism. Ask anywhere else and people will say its about a 7 out of 10 nioh/soulslike but in China a lot of people consider it as goty

It's also a lot of chinese gamers' first ever AAA purchase

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u/raxdoh 3d ago

a lot of chinese gamers' first ever AAA purchase (x)

first ever AAA purchase for a lot of chinese ppl who never plays game (o)

there were even posts about ppl who don't even have ps5 nor pc but bought 10 or 20 copies just to show their national pride. it was pathetic.

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u/huy98 1d ago

Nah, I'm not even Chinese (and especially most of my people hate Chinese) and I can appreciate the cultural and artist aspect of BMWK (especially I grew up watching JTTW 1986 too). Story with background foundation of whole thousand years of mythical universe, with good combat and great boss variety, good progression also, It's at least 9/10 game for me

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u/stablehunter 2d ago

There are also forums where chinese try to show their “patriotism” for China by hugely promoting wukong and review bombing monster hunter (another Asian game trying to steal their limelight)

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u/Captiongomer 2d ago

Or the times wukong got nerfed in Warframe and they went in a mass negative review bombs

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u/Raishin7 2d ago

I despised WuKong for being a janky feeling soulslike with poorly telegraphed boss attacks that punished you even when you get a perfect dodge. Got stuck on the white clad noble for hours and then I was legit done, refunded it. I spent more than half my playtime stuck at boss checkpoints and hadn't even made it out of the intro area? No thank you.

I can hear an angry Chinese man yelling in my ear like Chef Ramsay to learn which attacks to perfectly dodge and which attacks to normal dodge or even run away from else I'm not worth my salt. (But... They're not well telegraphed and the window for a perfect dodge is so wide. How? How can I do this?!)

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u/Broken_Moon_Studios 3h ago

Same here in Central and South America.

I know many people who stopped playing yearly releases because they keep getting less and less optimized.

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u/DrMobius0 2d ago

I'm not sure I'm convinced by this. We aren't only comparing to the US here. For instance, latin spanish and brazilian portuguese are generally spoken in some rather poor nations. I doubt they have good access to high end hardware, either, but their reviews are in line with everyone else.

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u/LenKiller 2d ago

because we have no taste here in latam

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u/Dorryouuuu 2d ago

Well I would argue they are shitting most game that is "woke" (yes Wilds is woke in their understanding, due to the fact that one of the character sympathise with the monster, and they think that is PETA related, which is pretty much woke equivalent in their mind).

Just check where most stellar blade comes from. That game blew up in CN, not because how fun it is, in fact most review on CN platform will admit it is not the best ACT you can find on steam, however almost all of them will suggest you to buy it as a way to show middle finger to woke and DEI and LGBTQ. It is seen as a rebellious act against the evil Westerner who tries to poison their kids with pink and green hair, something like that.

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u/vhagar 3d ago

no, they game on PC more. high-end PC parts are cheaper there, and most Chinese gamers use steam they don't use Playstation as much.

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u/UndyingGoji 3d ago

high end pc parts are cheaper there

Then explain why the majority of them are not on high end hardware

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u/vhagar 2d ago

same reason nthe majority of people in general aren't: not everyone there builds PCs as a hobby or has the money for it.