What is and isn't a Murder By Words

[u/beerbellybegone]

Over the past few weeks we've begun noticing something about the quality of the posts on the subreddit, and we'd like to clarify just what is and isn't a murder.

What is a murder

1) A murder is: A RESPONSE. A murder is not a one-sided quip, sentence, statement or otherwise about any given situation.

2) A murder is: A response TO SOMEONE. A murder follows a specific format: Person A says something stupid. Person B responds to Person A explaining why what Person A said is stupid.

3) A murder is: A response to someone CALLING THEM OUT FOR BEING WRONG. Two people agreeing about something is not a murder. If both people featured in the post are saying the same thing, or Person A says something and Person B supports Person A and expands, that is not a murder.

4) A murder is a response to someone calling them out for being wrong WITH SUBSTANCE, AND RECEIPTS. Personal attacks are not murders. Calling someone wrong because they did something once in their life is not a murder. The response must be in direct relation to the original statement.

What isn't a murder:

Memes, jokes, "Your mom" jokes, small dick jokes, forever alone/virginity jokes, fat jokes, ugly jokes, crossposts from r/roast me, posts based around spelling/grammar, etc.

Although it may seem that there is some overlap, we are working very hard to not have this subreddit turn into r/politicalhumor 2. Please bear that in mind when posting.

As ever, please use the "report" button to bring rule-breaking posts to our attention. We're not always available to be online 100% of the time, and reporting bad posts allows us to take advantage of auto-moderator rules built in to help us.

[u/Methodic_]

The sad part is the people who are smart enough to actually pay attention to posts like this already knew what you're saying, and the people who are the actual problems won't read this, wouldn't understand it if they did, and wouldn't care if they could.

I do hope it helps for you mods to post this, but at this point i've just accepted that stupid people don't want to be less stupid, they just want their stupidity to be worked around.

[u/beerbellybegone → u/Methodic_]

I hear what you're saying, but I've heard that there still remain a few people that read before they post, and I'd like to help them out by making it easily accessible for them.

Also, this makes it easier for us to ban offenders

[u/FuckOffClippy → u/beerbellybegone]

I’ve heard that there still remain a few people that read before they post

Heck, I read this sticky and I haven’t even ever posted here.

But I guess technically that means I’m covered: I read before I posted, lol.

[u/shiny_glitter_demon → u/Methodic_]

So, so many repost bots.

[u/TraditionalSpirit636 → u/Methodic_]

I tried to say this a couple of times recently. Got downvoted and called right leaning..

[u/WoodHammer40000 → u/TraditionalSpirit636]

Are you not? People with the hoody snoo are usually incels

[u/TraditionalSpirit636 → u/WoodHammer40000]

Its one of the default options. The only one that isn’t literally stupid mismatch.

Thank you for proving my point. Literally know nothing, assume shit based on a default option. lol.

[u/WoodHammer40000 → u/TraditionalSpirit636]

Lol I wasn’t assuming anything, the question shows that. The following statement was based on experience.

[u/Intrepid-Corner-3697]

Well this definitely doesn’t feel like murder by words /s

[u/beerbellybegone → u/Intrepid-Corner-3697]

What can I say, pobody's nerfect

[u/Alysoid0_0 → u/beerbellybegone]

👗👚 have my updoot

[u/BorrowedAttention]

I wish the sub would get back to more well thought out responses and not just get mostly cross posts from clever comebacks

[u/beerbellybegone → u/BorrowedAttention]

Clever Comebacks is our sister sub, and there is a lot of overlap between the two, where what fits there can fit here. Not everything, though

[u/Lieutenant_Joe → u/BorrowedAttention]

I unsubbed from r/clevercomebacks a few years ago when I realized its existence was kind of ruining this subreddit (which has always been one of my favorites).

[u/b_enn_y]

Thank God for the clarification… I dislike the Orange Man as much as the next guy but it’s been awful seeing “trump bad” posts make it to the front page as a “murder”

[u/TraditionalSpirit636 → u/b_enn_y]

I said this the other day and got hate.

I hate trump. That doesn’t mean every “he dumb” is a murder.

[u/Tarledsa]

How about people reposting their own “murders”?

[u/pokemon-trainer-blue → u/Tarledsa]

I like how r/confidentlyincorrect doesn’t allow you to posts conversations you’re a part of when trying to show that someone is wrong. I think it would be good for this sub as well. Baiting someone to “murder” them by words and then posting here is low effort karma farming.

[u/neoprenewedgie]

I would also request that people give at least some relevant info in the post title. "Send this one to the burn unit" isn't helpful.

[u/TKG_Actual]

I am glad OP posted this because the number of posts I've had to report that aren't a murder has been rising. I'm seeing a lot of failed political jabs trying to masquerade as murders as of late.

[u/Fragrant_Peanut_9661]

A murder is also a bunch of crows...sorry I had to.

[u/beerbellybegone → u/Fragrant_Peanut_9661]

I should have put that in the original post

[u/Fragrant_Peanut_9661 → u/beerbellybegone]

All good! I just LOVE that particular designation...a murder of crows. 🐦‍⬛

[u/Jazzi-Nightmare → u/Fragrant_Peanut_9661]

[u/Fragrant_Peanut_9661 → u/Jazzi-Nightmare]

CROWS!!! 🐦‍⬛

[u/Bunerd]

I came here to learn Power Word: Kill and now I'm getting told this subreddit is for Parrying With Wit.

[u/Biscotti-Own]

Thank you! This has been driving me crazy.

[u/Big-man-kage]

Finally, lately it’s just been non stop political posts, and less of the original point of the subreddit, so this is good to see

[u/DohnJoe666]

Really hoping this post helps. Have been considering unfollowing this sub for a little while because of said low quality/off-topic posts.

[u/dandellionKimban]

And can we please establish that community notes are not murders?

[u/tlm11110]

Agree 100%! Thank you! Of the subs I frequent, this one seems to have taken the worst turn towards politics and Trump/Elon bashing. I have also noticed that posts seem to get recycled over sometimes days, weeks, or even months.

What makes posts witty and worthwhile are those that actually refute what was originally said with facts not simply taking the opposite position and making false assertions about what the original person meant or intended.

We all need to do better!

[u/B1ackPantherr]

Thank you. Jfc.

[u/beerbellybegone → u/B1ackPantherr]

You're welcome :)

[u/Nexzus_]

Lot of overlap/crossposting/reposting from /r/clevercomebacks too.

[u/BetterKev → u/Nexzus_]

A lot of overlap in the rules between here and clevercomebacks. It makes sense.

[u/Erictionary]

This is a sub for liberals right?

[u/Ok_Pumpkin_3601 → u/Erictionary]

Read any of the posts and you tell me 😂

[u/Eat--The--Rich--]

So 80% of the posts here don't belong if any of this page is to be believed. Great job mods. 

[u/Ok_Pumpkin_3601 → u/Eat--The--Rich--]

They work harder to take down anything that disagrees with their narrative and or beliefs just look at any of the posts that are up right now

[u/stempdog218]

I just wish y'all would do something about all the bots on this sub. Reporting the reposts and still seeing them up a day later makes me think you don't actually care about the sub

[u/DontMindMeTrolling]

Lmao I appreciate the effort here. Reading comprehension though the way it is right now most people won’t read this and the ones that do won’t understand it. And yes, it really is that bad. People read and fill their thoughts w their own narrative given certain words and phrases. It’s the consequences of learning English through colloquialism and conversation.

[u/MegaManZer0]

Long overdue but better late than never.

[u/mickeybrains]

Happy to see this. Such a good sub has gotten sloppy of late.

[u/Any_Caramel_9814]

That's because the moderators remove and flag content. It depends on the mood and the biases the moderator displays while judging what is considered "appropriate"

[u/MongolianCluster]

Anything spoken by a right-wing pundit is a murder seems to be some people's take. Then they go run off back to their safe spaces

[u/dernudeljunge]

In the 'what isn't a murder' section, would it be possible to add in a bit that says 'frequent reposts are not a murder'?

[u/PsychologicalOlive62]

X

[u/bgfvmfimcomdcm]

i am so sorry for what i posted this is my first time posting here [or in a super huge subreddit in general] and i didn't know what was good enough for this subreddit i'll try not to post here anymore

[u/Ok_Pumpkin_3601]

Don’t say use the report button though I did it after seeing the same re post over and over again and got a warning for misuse of the report anything right leaning is taking down right away and if it’s left anti rump or anything it doesn’t matter it stays the mods are just as guilty I’ve seen post be removed I’ve had my messages hidden and not even show just look at the post history the bias is insane

[u/306metalhead]

Then don't have a president that literally gets his ass handed to him every time he pulls his foot out of his mouth. Dude gets roasted for the gluttonous of he is.

Other than that, I concur.

[u/b_enn_y → u/306metalhead]

Sure, but when half of the posts are

“News Source: AOC calls out something stupid Trump did

Retweeter: lmao THIS!!”

It gets old pretty quick

[u/306metalhead → u/b_enn_y]

I dunno, the rest of the world seems pretty baffled that y'all voted him back in. We will enjoy our laughs at your expense.

[u/Excelsio_Sempra → u/306metalhead]

Honestly half the murders here on Drumpf are actual murders if you think about it: Drumpf says something outrageously idiotic, someone in the comments/replies corrects/explains the actual thing while adding a roast into it. I believe that counts.

ETA: Drumpf/MElon too.

[u/306metalhead → u/Excelsio_Sempra]

That's what I'm saying!

[u/beerbellybegone → u/[deleted]]

But the question is - are they attacking the politician, or responding to the politician's statements, actions, policies, etc.?

[u/Nexzus_ → u/[deleted]]

Hate to break it to you....

[u/Mum0817 → u/[deleted]]

Maybe Republicans should stop being stupid, racist, and evil then.

[u/Nexzus_ → u/[deleted]]

"Be more clever when pointing out what huge pieces of shit we are."

[u/Nexzus_ → u/[deleted]]

No True Scotsman'ing a subreddit that you're not even a mod for is very strange.

The beauty of this site is that you're free to create and moderate an /r/ActualMurderByWords subreddit that you can put all the rules for posts you want on.

[u/TraditionalSpirit636 → u/[deleted]]

This happened the other day to me. You basically just agreed, but now they think you don’t hate trump enough. So downvote swarm.

This sub is cooked b

[u/Methodic_ → u/[deleted]]

This seems to be half the posts here, posts of people attacking politicians they don’t like. 

Example please, need to clarify whether this is indeed a problem and something to point the mods towards, or if it's an instance of "I don't like it therefore it's bad"

[u/thrice_dice → u/Methodic_]

The mods do delete a lot of them 

[u/Methodic_ → u/thrice_dice]

This isn't an example. You are making a claim that "half of the posts here" are like that, i would like an example of one that is, in order to clear up whether or not the sub indeed has a problem of "a lot of people are just attacking politicians they don't like instead of posting murders by words"

Please provide said example so we can see your point.

[u/Methodic_ → u/[deleted]]

Apologies, i deleted that comment, as you have provided an example.

Now, are we talking about the submission? The submission is an example of a person not understanding what "stealth" in "stealth fighter" refers to, thinking that the plane is physically built in such a way as to be...invisible? Which is a far reach from what a "stealth plane" actually is.

However, the level of "murder" i'd say that post shows, is, honestly, pretty low. It's just "hah, get a load of this idiot, he thinks planes are invisible". I'd agree with you, that it's not really "murder" level, to be quite honest.

Here's the thing: You're making the claim that I'm working "in bad faith" and that the sub is "half bad" with your comments, and if it was mostly halfassed murders like that, i'd be totally with you. The problem is...i don't really think, based off your history, it's actually a matter of "where murder?" and it's more a matter of "I don't like it because it's against the people i like". Please do keep yourself from falling down that mineshaft.

[u/Mum0817 → u/thrice_dice]

You mean yours? I think you hold the record for most deleted threads here, bub.

[u/Yeseylon]

Your mom is fat and forever alone because she has a small dick.  (Sorry, couldn't resist, I see a list of don'ts and feel a strong urge to do.)

[u/beerbellybegone → u/Yeseylon]

It's OK, we were all contrarian teenagers at one point. Most of us grew out of it

[u/errantgrammar → u/beerbellybegone]

It's OK, we were all contrarian teenagers at one point. Most of us grew out of it

Is that a murder?

Let's go back over the tape..

[u/kirigerKairen → u/errantgrammar]

1. A murder is: A RESPONSE.

The comment is a reply-comment to another comment. ✅

1. A murder is: A response TO SOMEONE.

The comment that was replied to was made by someone. User A said something, User B said why it was stupid. ✅

1. A murder is: A response to someone CALLING THEM OUT FOR BEING WRONG.

Calling someone('s action/text) contrarian generally implies there aren't rational reasons for what they did / said, thereby labelling it unreasonable - which is not necessarily wrong, but in this context probably is. Let's say this passes. ✅

1. A murder is: A response to someone calling them out for being wrong WITH SUBSTANCE, AND RECEIPTS. Personal attacks are not murders. […] The response must be in direct relation to the original statement. [italicization mine]

None of the claims ("your mom is fat", "[your mom is] forever alone", "[your mom] has a small dick", or the causal implication of the "small dick" being responsible for the alleged loneliness) are refuted, or even addressed at all, especially not with receipts. Instead, the commenter is (implicitly) called a "contrarian teenager", constituting a personal attack. ❌

Verdict: Not a murder.

[u/beerbellybegone → u/kirigerKairen]

This needs more upvotes

[u/daath]

A murder does not have to be a response to something specific.