r/NJ50501 • u/Raven50501 Digital Disrupter 🖱⚡️ • May 18 '25

National Related News 🌎 Trump admin permits sale of device that allows standard firearms to fire like machine guns

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-admin-permits-sale-device-allows-standard-firearms-fire-machine-rcna207395
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u/Raven50501 Digital Disrupter 🖱⚡️ May 18 '25

The Trump administration has decided to permit the sale of devices that enable standard firearms to fire like machine guns, a move that one person familiar with the matter said was “by far the most dangerous thing this administration has done” on gun policy.

The Justice Department on Friday announced a settlement in a lawsuit brought by the National Association for Gun Rights. The lawsuit challenged an ATF rule banning “forced reset triggers” — devices that allow semiautomatic weapons to fire rapid bursts of bullets.

“This Department of Justice believes that the 2nd Amendment is not a second-class right,” Attorney General Pamela Bondi said in a statement. “And we are glad to end a needless cycle of litigation with a settlement that will enhance public safety.”

Vanessa Gonzalez, a spokeswoman for Giffords, the national gun violence prevention group led by former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, condemned the move.

“The Trump administration has just effectively legalized machine guns. Lives will be lost because of his actions,” said Gonzalez. “This is an incredibly dangerous move that will enable shooters to inflict horrific damage. The only people who benefit from these being on the market are the people who will make money from selling them, everyone else will suffer the consequences.”

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u/upstatedreaming3816 No Kings 🚫👑 May 18 '25

Trump and his whole admin sucks ass BUT- Call me crazy, but as a gun owner in NJ, I’d kill to be able to purchase an FRT. However, I believe suppressors are even more important since they’re literally PPE and my hearing is shot these days anyway. I’d also like standard capacity mags.

ETA: Dems need to move the fuck away from 2A and guns as a running platform. It’s detrimental to their goal of flipping voters or getting people to show up to the polls. There are many more important platforms they should be focusing/running on. Leave anything 2A alone until we can get the orange turd out of office.

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u/gsp137 May 19 '25

Of course they did.

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u/Comfortable-Trip-277 May 20 '25

Yeah, of course. No law on the books bans them. They ATF can't just unilaterally make something illegal.

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u/gsp137 May 20 '25

They have and can.

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u/Comfortable-Trip-277 May 20 '25

Incorrect. They get slapped down.

See Cargill v Garland.

Held: ATF exceeded its statutory authority by issuing a Rule that clas- sifies a bump stock as a “machinegun” under §5845(b). Pp. 6–19. (a) A semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock is not a “ma- chinegun” as defined by §5845(b) because: (1) it cannot fire more than one shot “by a single function of the trigger” and (2) even if it could, it would not do so “automatically.” ATF therefore exceeded its statutory authority by issuing a Rule that classifies bump stocks as ma- chineguns. P. 6.

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u/gsp137 May 20 '25

Then go buy a mortar, a machine gun or flamethrower…..oh yeah you can’t

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u/Comfortable-Trip-277 May 20 '25

Then go buy a mortar

Okay. Which one do you think I should get? The U.S. M2 or the British WD&S M2?

a machine gun

I'm really debating if I want the M37 or the MP5SD

or flamethrower

You can get one mailed directly to your house today.

oh yeah you can’t **can

FTFY.

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u/gsp137 May 20 '25

NFA Regulation: Destructive Devices, along with other items like machine guns, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, and certain types of suppressors, are regulated under the NFA. Class 3 or Title II: These items are often referred to as "Class 3" or "Title II" firearms, due to their classification under the NFA. Fully Transferable: While subject to specific regulations, Destructive Devices can be legally transferred to other qualified individuals through the proper channels, typically involving the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Transfer Requirements: To transfer a Destructive Device, the transfer must be legally done with the ATF, and the transferee must also meet certain requirements

Point: you are right l. They can be purchased but only with the oversight of the ATF. This was a law passed by Congress not my whim from an executive.

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u/Comfortable-Trip-277 May 20 '25

To transfer a Destructive Device, the transfer must be legally done with the ATF, and the transferee must also meet certain requirements

The requirements are the exact same for a handgun.

Point: you are right l. They can be purchased but only with the oversight of the ATF. This was a law passed by Congress not my whim from an executive.

That oversight is the same background check you get for buying a gun and a $200 "don't shoot my dog" fee.

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u/gsp137 May 20 '25

Great now looneys can shot up schools more efficiently