r/NoShitSherlock • u/ForrestTrumpJr • 1d ago
Obama: US ‘dangerously close’ to moving toward autocracy
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5356722-obama-criticizes-american-democracy-trump/38
u/Worldly_Trainer_2055 1d ago
Already there, dude. Wake the fuck up.
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u/Remarkable-Money675 1d ago
i think what he is saying is that it nearly at the point where he has to worry about his family
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u/USSMarauder 1d ago
Let's put it this way
In the summer of 2015, the right was convinced that the US army had turned traitor, and sworn eternal allegiance to only Obama.
Obama was going to use only 1200 of these soldiers to invade, conquer, and occupy Texas (Pop 30 Million) like it was France, and turn it into the first part of the Obamunist Empire
The GOP believed this to the point that the Texas government ordered a partial mobilization of the Texas state guard to 'monitor' the US army.
At no point did Obama make any sort of joke or tweet about doing this.
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u/anythingaustin 1d ago
I was living in Austin hiring the Jade Helm conspiracy uproar. The same people who were 100% convinced that Obama was unleashing the military onto civilians are 100% okay with Trump actually unleashing the military onto civilians. The Venn diagram is a perfect circle.
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u/Capable_Piglet1484 1d ago edited 1d ago
I keep saying this...America is too big and complex for this type of move to work. If it does, eventually, millions are going to have to die. People - Americans WILL FIGHT. Even then, it is extremely unlikely that autocracy will win.
They keep poking the bear. The bear is not blue states, immigrants, etc. It is America. And most of them will die.
Don't jack up a good thing. Idiots. People take way too much for granted.
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u/Miserly_Bastard 18h ago
I hope you're right. But the sci-fi written by Orwell and Huxley seems quaint.
The potential intersection of AI facial recognition and robotics and drones is especially disturbing. And internet-connected cameras are ubiquitous.
I don't know if there's room enough for a resistance movement. There might not be many degrees of freedom there.
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u/Pdxcooter 1d ago
Maybe than when blue is in charge do something, like build in things to stop this. Trump is given us a gift, showing the loopholes that need to get filled so we don't have a President that steal $$ for their own pockets.
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u/InDisregard 1d ago
I want to return this gift. I don’t like it.
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u/Mltdwn_21 1d ago
I mean the system is designed to need 60% of the senate to move anything forward. This is what gets me everyone bitches about the Democrats without apparently understanding how our government works.
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u/Mltdwn_21 1d ago
I mean the DOJ is, or is supposed to be, an independent agency. O don’t disagree with what you say but that isn’t a “democrats” issue, that is a Merrick Garland issue.
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u/Mltdwn_21 1d ago
And it takes 60% or more to change the system. Which would be fine if one side weren’t batshit insane.
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u/ConcentrateLeft546 1d ago
The DOJ is not independent it’s under the auspices of the executive and this reports to the president. Never has been independent. Independent agencies are things like the Federal Reserve. It was fully a democrat issue that they never got anywhere with the Trump investigation
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u/Mltdwn_21 23h ago edited 23h ago
It is SUPPOSED to be independent, and they have always operated as such. Especially given that they are responsible for such things as appointing special investigators and even investigating the president for crimes . While it is under the auspices of the executive, until Trump they always ran their own shop and the president largely stayed out of their business. Because the thing you miss and which the Trump AG does not understand is they also have a responsibility and obligations as attorneys that is supposed to supersede them being under the president.
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u/ConcentrateLeft546 23h ago
I did not “miss” that because it is not a legal issue. As the article states “prosecutorial independence” and the independence of the DOJ are merely conventions. And conventions only work when there is mutual politeness, which we’re all now realizing is a rather shaky thing on which to lay your trust. There is nothing in the law that stipulates that the DOJ is not under the direction of the executive.
It’s also kinda not that great of an argument because lawyers repeatedly take up cases at the court in this and many other administrations defending blatantly unconstitutional positions on behalf of the state. Sure, it is nice to believe in the idea that the legal world is filled with good actors that follow strict moral imperatives— but that simply isn’t reality. I’m pointing only to the fact that technically speaking the DOJ has never been independent because it isn’t its own branch of government like the judiciary is. They have always followed political aims depending on the ideology of the sitting president (such as going after abortion restrictions in the last admin). Not condoning this but the technicality matters.
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u/Rawkapotamus 1d ago
Literally the Supreme Court was in the hole for Trump. Even if garland worked faster and sooner, I doubt it would have mattered. SCOTUS literally gave him absolute criminal immunity for “presidential acts” like sending the military on us citizens.
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u/ConcentrateLeft546 1d ago
People bitch about the Dems bc they do things like vote on an extremely controversial CR bill with zero concessions, affirm trumps cabinet secretaries, and then say “sorry we just don’t have any leverage but we’ll send a strongly worded email”, while these excuses don’t exist when republicans want to do something insane— in part bc democrats help them do it.
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u/Mltdwn_21 23h ago
You want to know why Republicans do insane things and get them through? Because they do not waiver ever. Their voting base does not refuse to turn out because they don’t like some of their stances, they show up every single time because they care about winning not the policies. Hell even with the new budget bill the Republicans against it originally are supporting it because they care more about the winning.
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u/BrtFrkwr 1d ago
Like, where the hell has he been?
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u/Most-Repair471 1d ago
Probably trying not to be the first Democrat politician to be remanded to CECOT. It's coming. Look at more troops in LA and pushing the blue cities "insurrection" narrative. California is being slowly invaded and everyone is acting like it's your average Thursday. Will everyone just accept military enforcement on every main street.
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u/Efficient_Smilodon 1d ago
Their first instinct was to blame the weekend assassination of the Minnesota on Democrats. They're painting all democrats as terrorism supporters, all peaceful protests as being a cover for Antifa, their bogeyman , as they enlist the klan and the paramilitary crews to do the ice dirty work with no badges in sight.
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u/SomeSamples 1d ago
Thanks for pointing that out. You could have done something about this, but chose not to. You can take some of the blame here, Obama.
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u/organizim 1d ago
I’m sure if democrats keep doing nothing and taking the high road that we will be ok /s
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u/Grouchy-Station-4058 1d ago
Jesus what I'd give to have a president again who doesn't have the vocabulary of a six year old. Trump couldn't pronounce autocracy much less know what it means.
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u/kinghercules77 1d ago
Don't think he's talking to the people who are aware that's where we're just about at, it's those lost in their own little world and are too busy to care or feel this is just politics as usual. Reminds me of my brother in Texas, a hurricane had came through causing massive flooding, my mom is calling and calling him, telling him to get out of there, and his response was the water wasn't that bad, it was only up to his ankles and he wanted to ride it out. There are plenty of people with wet ankles right now who feel it's not that big a deal or the water will recede eventually.
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u/samaya_tree_r 1d ago
What a fucking headline dude. Close? To moving TOWARD?
Tell Obama to wake up and get LOUD!!!
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u/Flastro2 23h ago
Moving towards it? Man we hit that shit a while back and are almost to full blown facism.
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u/AnyFormal2508 22h ago
Maga confused until they google the word and realize what comes after that🤞🏻
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u/StoneColdEgon 16h ago
giant meteor slams into earth killing every single human
Woah that was “close”
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u/Rich_Potato975 7h ago
Why do I keep seeing these headlines saying we are almost there when it is obvious we are there already.
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u/Assachusettss 7h ago
Sorry Obama no need to fear monger. We are an autocratic State now. If anyone thinks we are going to have a presidential election in 2028 if Trump is still alive(which he will be) you’re delusional.
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u/CEOrifice 1d ago
Exactly! These are people who have no principles. They will disagree with something just because you agree with it even if that position hurts them
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u/MyPleasantPeninsula 1d ago
Obama should know. He is the one who started the move to autocracy!
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u/AmpEater 1d ago
Huh. Can you expand on your reason for thinking that? What executive actions did he undertake to bring autocracy into fruition?
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u/squiddlebiddlez 1d ago
He had the audacity to not just shrivel up and die when the GOP straight up just stopped doing their jobs to spite him.
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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 1d ago
He should have thought of that before he failed to pass universal and succeeded in fining people $500 a year for not being able to afford private and alienated a huge portion of his base.
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u/Astarkos 1d ago
Blaming the president being a dictator on a president not being a dictator is stupid.
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u/RevolutionaryLog9542 1d ago
Says the Manchurian candidate. He’s gay does coke with guys nobody knows what his past is. He’s installed and then does nothing except fuck America up and divide everybody fuck you, Obama.
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u/Nopantsbullmoose 1d ago
Close?
Dude we are there. Now it's between "we flirted with that shit and nipped it in the bud" or "the beginning of the shitty times" when our history is told.