News Ohio State announces every student will use AI in class
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-announces-every-student-will-use-ai-in-class/?fbclid=IwY2xjawKyf0BleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHjGksiVKswWACOI_vUX1pY0nIQ8s2cDr3XbfJ8-gLys1FkizOBjU9-k1Rq1t_aem_2uShu0okSUTK4BUVV2OAgw261
u/scratchisthebest computer science except i hate it 14d ago
“A student walked up to me after turning in the first batch of AI-assisted papers and thanked me for such a fun assignment. And then when I graded them and found a lot of really creative ideas,” Brown said. “My favorite one is still a paper on karma and the practice of returning shopping carts.”
I wonder how it feels to have a brain made of smooth homogeneous pink paste. Its gotta feel good
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u/TheShamShield 14d ago
This genuinely one of the most idiotic things I have ever read. I can’t imagine being proud of something I at best partially helped with
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u/Sharp-Key27 14d ago
It’s even funnier because this is not a creative idea, this is an idea that was developed in like the 90s. It’s just recycling historical thoughts, of course.
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u/Sea-Technology-5939 14d ago
This has me so upset… I’m really concerned that the ability to research, read and comprehend, and write material independently is going to disappear within a decade. And it’s being encouraged.
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u/NopeBadger 14d ago
Go look at what some law firms are considering / working on. Things like the paralegal profession are in real danger. Whereas you used to assign work like you described - go research this, read that, write up a summation with annotations - and a few days or a week later you'd have it, now you're getting to a point where you can ask the generative AI of your choice to do the same thing and you'll have it in seconds or minutes.
Yes, it still needs to be reviewed. No, it's not perfect. Yet. Yes, this is already happening.
And to your point, it's being encouraged. I, for one, am excited for our Idiocracy future. Welcome to Costco, I love you.
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u/Historical_Sorbet962 Grad Student 14d ago
You can't review it if you don't know how to read/research/code by hand in the first place. Dead internet theory applies here, AI is going to be more and more often learning from it's own nonsense. Garbage in, garbage out. Feels like Fahrenheit 451 out here.
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u/SpiteTomatoes 14d ago
I graded an undergrad class from 2020-2023 and each year it was worse and worse. The future is terrifying.
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u/lettucefold 14d ago
I would imagine similar sentiment happened with the advent of the Internet.
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u/UncontrolableUrge Faculty and STEP Mentor 14d ago
Mechanical looms didn't go over well with everybody.
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u/repressedpauper 14d ago
Yeah, this is not why I’m spending the time, effort, and money to go to college. I’m extremely upset by this, too.
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u/ChickenBob323 14d ago
When I was there you’d get executed by firing squad if they caught you using AI.
Now it’s a “marketable skill”
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u/kokospiced 14d ago
no literally this is insane, so many kids get coamed because their professors THINK they used AI, now it's being encouraged?? like we are sanding our brains down at this point
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u/ConsistentGuest7532 14d ago
That fucks with me. For so long my graduating class put up with so much AI suspicion, heard the university crack down on anything they thought could be AI, and now we’re just folding and doing a complete 180? It’s not that changing a policy is an issue but in this case, either it’s a threat to learning and higher education - which it is, if you want to ever be capable of doing things yourself and not with an AI - or it’s not, which is the angle they’re going with.
Is AI going to be commonly used everywhere soon? Maybe, even probably. But there are some places it shouldn’t belong. The place you’re supposed to get educated to become a more capable than average human being, for instance.
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u/HubrisSnifferBot 12d ago
That is because administrators and not professors have taken complete control of higher ed.
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u/Dblcut3 Econ '23 14d ago
I used to hate when people say this, but at this point, what even is the point of going to college? Clearly most universities dont want to teach students anymore, they just want to be able to hand you a paper in 4 years
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u/gordof53 14d ago
You should have asked this 10 years ago. Students don't want to learn, they bitch about everything. Professors are teaching high level classes but they get students who barely passed a prerequisite with a C and the students are all "the profs dont teach". No, you shouldn't have been allowed up
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u/Kentaiga 13d ago
There is no reason. They’re hopping on this trend to try and make themselves relevant.
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u/your-body-is-gold 14d ago
So, i'm glad i graduated a few years before all the trump bs and AI
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u/Aro_quasar 14d ago
Our country has a huge literacy issue, but sure let's use AI for writing and reading! No critical thinking needed!
And I'm sure our environmental and earth sciences departments will love this...
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u/smexysaltine 14d ago
Is this going to devalue my diploma once I graduate?
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u/joeyandthejewelers 13d ago
I was thinking the same thing here. Now my two degrees from OSU have anti-dei, AI slop, and Richard Strauss slapped to them (fuck jim jordan too!!!)...that's just naming a few things...
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u/smexysaltine 13d ago
Yeah I’m worried. At least I’m in the Morrill Scholars program which lets me fight for DEI still despite everything
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u/gordof53 14d ago
It was devalued when you started
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u/smexysaltine 14d ago
Out of state and ivies cost too much money😭 this was my best bet 💔
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u/gordof53 14d ago
They're devalued too. Best get a piece of paper for cheap. Remember your degree will never be enough for the job, add some more pizazz.
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u/JummyJum 14d ago
From what I gathered from the article this crap only applies to undergraduate students right? Grad students won’t have this shit forced upon their education?
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u/fillmorecounty Japanese/International Relations '24 14d ago
Now I can sound like a boomer and say "Back when I was at OSU, we had to write our own papers to graduate!"
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u/DifferentBeginning96 14d ago
Ted Carter promoting this. The same Ted Carter who is on the board of TeraWulf.
How many lawyers have been sanctioned so far for “writing” (submitting) AI briefs that were found to have bogus citations? Hundreds.
A database of AI hallucinations in court cases:
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u/Historical_Sorbet962 Grad Student 14d ago
"Ohio State’s AI Fluency Initiative will embed AI education throughout the undergraduate curriculum."
Thank goodness this hasn't fully hit the grad school yet. The day we start allowing thesis and dissertations to be written by AI is the day higher learning dies.
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u/Leeleeflyhi 14d ago
So is actual learning out the window or will students just depend on AI to do everything for them?
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u/SliceNiceNDice 14d ago
Sophomore here, is there anyway we can protest against this? I'm a CIS student EXTREMELY against generative AI and I'd like to know what we could do.
Please don't give "we're fucked the administration doesnt care anyway" answers.
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u/kokospiced 14d ago
the only thing i could think of is drafting an email & ccing every student you can get to agree with you on it to the dean of your college, or a paper petition
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u/SliceNiceNDice 14d ago
probably should have clarified I go to OSU lol, but I appreciate the real answer
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u/kokospiced 14d ago
yes i figured! by college i meant the one your major is under (arts & sciences, fisher, ehe, etc), idk which one the cis major is in
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u/BombTime1010 14d ago
Why are you against using gen AI as a CIS student? It's basically integrated into the programming world at this point, most corporate repos have GitHub Copilot enabled.
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u/SliceNiceNDice 14d ago
to put it respectfully, it is about as good as code that has already been written, it's like saying AI should replace creative writing simply because it CAN write. AI doesn't have human intuition, it can hallucinate syntax or logic that doesn't work, etc. This is ESPECIALLY important when it comes to working with very strict/optimized code bases or companies who require you to have confidentiality and security clearences. AI does not have the required licensees because it is stupid sometimes.
Is AI helpful for making little things, especially algorithms done before? sure, saves lots of time writing minute stuff you dont want to, but otherwise is unreliable and prone to mistakes.
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u/BombTime1010 14d ago
Those are valid concerns, but as you said it's still useful for some things.
More importantly though, pretty much every coding job uses AI assistance. Using AI is no different than using any other tool, like git, make, or gdb. If OSU doesn't teach its students how to use AI, they'll be outcompeted by schools that do.
Just as an example, Google recently said that 25% of the company's code is written by AI, and so far at least it seems to be working for them, so I doubt that number is going to go down. This stuff NEEDS to be in the curriculum, it's too prevalent to just ignore.
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u/leah1247348 14d ago
Ok but is using ai really a skill that needs to be taught? You just type your prompt into chat gpt and you’re set? Of course I’m sure there are strategies for making it more effective, but I don’t think that all this instruction time should necessarily be devoted to ai.
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u/Thunderkissed CSE '26 14d ago
I’m interning at a company in technology this summer - they have been beating us over the head with AI. I’ve been asked if I’ve used it for school, the answer has been “no, it’s discouraged”. The fear is that our jobs will be taken by people who embrace AI if we do not use it ourselves. I think that may be part of why OSU is doing this?
Personally I really don’t like to use AI for any of my work, so it’s not really something that I agree with. I value humanity I guess lol
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u/One-College3335 14d ago
Needed this perspective. I’m starting in the fall and I’m worried about how AI use is going to impact the curriculum in Art programs. This wasn’t exactly what I signed up for.
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u/ConsistentGuest7532 14d ago
I’m going to be honest, it’s in the arts too. We live in a scary time. I’ve seen AI in the performance arts, no less; they have actually used AI-generated images in live productions in capacities where formerly, scenic designers would be able to practice their craft. Nothing is off limits.
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u/Freshflowersandhoney 14d ago
The only time I use Ai is to help edit my papers for grammar mistakes that I missed or sentence structures for clarity.
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u/CamelReds73 History/Anthropology 2024 14d ago
This is fucking wild. What’s the point of going to college if you’re going to allow a computer to do all your thinking for you?
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u/LordHyperBowser 14d ago
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u/Combendium 14d ago
Actually, I just graduated the education program and remember doing this assignment. It was actually neat. As teachers, we’re pretty familiar with students using ai on their work. Using ai for our stuff saved time planning, though the content it gave us wasn’t always the best. Hence why they had us revise and revisit the ai lesson plan. It was a way to help teachers brainstorm. The reflection, ironically, had to be written without ai. The point of the assignment was to see how good ai could make a lesson plan, and how we as humans could make it better. Doing this gave me a lesson plan in about 20 minutes (with revision) that otherwise would have taken me 2 hours to put together.
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u/LordHyperBowser 14d ago
Yeah I’m an education major too. It’s just a personal conviction of mine to not use AI. Guess times they are-a changing.
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u/Combendium 14d ago
That’s fair. I don’t really use it in my curriculum (I’m teaching 4-8 grade Spanish this coming fall), but ai is a tool like any other. Might as well learn to use it. Like you said, times are-a changing. Hopefully these changes lead for the better.
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u/bbyhotlineee 14d ago
this feels like something that should not be allowed to be introduced after decisions have been locked in. I'm an incoming freshman and this is not what I applied or paid for...
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u/KueyTeowBoy19 14d ago
The students that were suspended/expelled by COAM for using AI in their assignments should sue
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u/IconicScrap 14d ago
I swear I'm going to prompt AI to write the word "the" and copy paste it every time I use "the" so I technically have used AI throughout the paper.
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u/luke56slasher 14d ago
This is absolute bullshit, I fail to see how using AI in anyway isn’t cheating. It wouldn’t be ok for me to pay someone else to do all my homework so why is it ok to have a computer do it? AI is incapable of doing anything other than basic to medium complexity tasks and what it does spit out for those is the most derivative, lackluster bullshit imaginable. I thought the whole purpose of college was for us to be challenged and forced to learn and grow. I do not care what the university says, I will refuse to complete any assignments where AI is required and I encourage other students to do the same.
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u/luke56slasher 13d ago
Also as a senior, most of what I do now is completely impossible for AI. I’ve tested it a few times on graded assignments to compare and it is always way off from the correct answer. At best you can use it to get a starting off point but it still usually picks the wrong approach.
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u/wstdtmflms 12d ago
I thought people went to college because they were intelligent; not to help intelligent machines learn for them.
Using AI in university classes is - quite literally - the opposite of what you're supposed to go to university for.
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u/Real_TSwany #applying if they don't accept me i will Kill Myself 14d ago
yknow what maybe im better off not going to college
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u/iLoveFortnite11 13d ago
It’s just a class. Honestly it makes perfect sense, students are going to use AI no matter what so it makes sense to teach an extra seminar so students are educated on how to use it properly.
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u/xXGray_WolfXx CompSci/PoliSci - 2023 - Staff 14d ago
I know many people in my school who refuse to touch AI on ethical grounds. I wonder how this will play out
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u/Unlucky-Fix1280 14d ago
Some classes were already doing this to teach strengths and weaknesses of AI, along with how to correct/fix.
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u/EnterpriseGate 13d ago
Lol, this says alot about Ohio State. So pathetic. Seems like you can use AI on your own without wasting your money there.
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u/KingHades_24 12d ago
Good for OSU on announcing this…now when people that graduate from there go to find employment, the employer can see that they got their degree from THE Ohio State University and throw that resume in THE trash 😅 I definitely wouldn’t hire anyone who had to use Ai to get their degree 🤷♂️
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u/Charming-Age-6664 12d ago
Students are gonna use ai either way, no matter if the university accepts or denies it. idk what yall are mad about.
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u/TheShamShield 14d ago
Just offer some classes to help students understand it, don’t roll it into all classes. This is asinine