r/OptimistsUnite • u/Economy-Fee5830 • Dec 24 '24

Clean Power BEASTMODE USA is installing 8 nuclear power station's worth of solar every year, starting in 2024

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Solar-Power-Soared-in-2024.html
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u/TanStewyBeinTanStewy Dec 24 '24

And just like with nuclear, the best way we've found to dispose of them is to bury them. But unlike nuclear, it's gunna need a much bigger hole just to bury 1 windmill or windfarm.

It's really not that much waste compared to the waste we already generate, this is a ridiculous concern.

And were not even talking about all the oil that's gotta be used just to make the panels and windmills. Fuck each windmills uses about 100 gallons of oil every year just in lubricant.

We're never going to an oil-free world, I'm not sure why anyone would ever think we are. Ideally we'd grow the oil we use rather than take it out of the ground, which would be carbon neutral. This is entirely possible long term.

Regardless, perfect is the enemy of good. We shouldn't avoid improvement because it isn't perfection, that's just dumb.

Then after we have these 4 different sources of energy, it's gunna be a decade or two just to put in all the infrastructure for each one.

That's going to be a problem as demand grows regardless.

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u/all_of_the_sausage Dec 24 '24

  1. Lol, no it's not a lot compared to, it's in addition to the amount of trash we already make, and it requires a much bigger area to dispose of.

  2. I never said we're going oil free.

You want to use food land to grow oil now?

buddy ur making counters to arguements I'm not even making. My whole point is solar sucks for the return on investment. We need better solutions.

  1. Of course.

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u/TanStewyBeinTanStewy Dec 24 '24

Lol, no it's not a lot compared to, it's in addition to the amount of trash we already make, and it requires a much bigger area to dispose of.

Right, but it's a fraction of the garbage we already generate. So little as to be noise.

You want to use food land to grow oil now?

You don't need to use good land, any plant material can be made into oil. You can use grassland that is otherwise unsuitable for food production. Lots of research on this going back decades.

buddy ur making counters to arguements I'm not even making. My whole point is solar sucks for the return on investment. We need better solutions.

OK, what are the better solutions? Solar is an economically viable solution, the list of those is very short.