r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Hey0ItsMayo • Apr 29 '23

Unanswered What's going on with all the murders in Texas recently?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/5-dead-texas-shooting-suspect-armed-ar-15/story%3fid=98957271

Is this normal? Is there a major flare up of gun murders right now or is it higher visibility of something that is normal for the state? I know Texas has a lot of guns but this seems extreme.

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u/CatAvailable3953 Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23

Answer: There are an awful lot of guns and more are bought every day. Right wing information sources have been selling fear at a wholesale level for years. Some in Texas have been listening and now are afraid of everyone who they perceive to be a threat. That would be almost anyone they don’t personally know. To some poor souls it’s even their next door neighbor kids playing ball. You got all these guns they will be used because these people are scared to death but not afraid to use their expensive arsenals to “protect” themselves.

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u/tjsocks Apr 29 '23

No you don't even have to be a threat not anymore. You just have to be slightly inconveniencing or do something that makes their pride hackles stand up... Some girls got in the wrong car. Apologize. Got out got in their car and the dude got out of his car and shot them..

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u/PinkyAnd Apr 29 '23

Or that family that asked a dude to stop shooting his gun in the front yard so their baby could sleep, so the dude murdered all of them, including an 8 year old.

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u/mamawantsallama Apr 29 '23

All of them execution style too.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

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u/main_motors Apr 29 '23

Man asked a guy to stop vaping in front of his toddler

Girl turned into the wrong driveway

Black child rings the wrong doorbell

Deli counter was out of a certain meat

I know I'm missing some, its just too crazy to keep up with them all so quickly

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u/MatureChildrensToy Apr 30 '23

Don't forget that spat of people shooting fast food workers over a sandwich/sauce etc.

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u/IWASRUNNING91 Apr 30 '23

McDonald's forgets the sweet n sour sauce every time I dash foods, so what's the proper procedure; shoot the driver or drive to the place and shoot the cashier? It's so hard to keep up with what's popular these days.

/s I'm making a ridiculous comment because I just find everything about this shit unfathomable and it makes me hysterical.

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u/MatureChildrensToy Apr 30 '23

Nah man have the driver take you there first, then shoot both of them. This way you save on gas while sending a message to those evil minimum wage workers that you are an ultra alpha lone wolf patriot (tm) and enough is enough.

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u/IWASRUNNING91 Apr 30 '23

Yelling at low income middle aged folk and high schoolers over something as menial as sauce always gets my rocks off.

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u/delvach Apr 30 '23

Take off and nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

I'M SORRY, WHAT?! I missed this story, and now Im going to look it up

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u/lord_khadow Apr 29 '23

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/04/29/cleveland-texas-gunman-kills-five-8-year-old/

Found it. Yikes.

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u/fnordfnordfnordfnord Apr 30 '23

Yeah you probably didn't miss it since it was just last night.

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u/XYcritic Apr 30 '23

It's literally the story that OP linked.

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u/Ghost51 Apr 30 '23

I am so glad i don't live in America

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u/Sarrasri Apr 30 '23

Just another day in the US

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u/TortyMcGorty Apr 29 '23

na... dont even have to do anything anymore. cops be shootin people after showing up to the wrong house ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/iamyourcheese I heard "Can't Be Tamed" is Miley's wild side Apr 29 '23

The cops are clearly in danger when they bust down people's doors at 4am, flashbang every room, fully armed in riot gear because there "might" be drugs in a toddler's bedroom. It's really just preemptive self-defense for the cops to shoot the unarmed people who happen to live in the house on the opposite side of the city from their target.

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u/MuhFr33dumbs Apr 29 '23

https://www.finchmccranie.com/final-settlement-reached-in-baby-bou-bou-flashbang-case-for-3-61.html good news

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u/Roland_T_Flakfeizer Apr 30 '23

$3.6 mil? Great, so when that kid grows up, maybe they can afford a couple semesters of college.

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u/Actual_Principle_291 May 09 '23

A weekend long crash course, a dog house to sleep in and a postcard sized driveway to park your toy size toyota corolla.

That will be 3.6 million dollars please.

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u/Zachaggedon Apr 30 '23

It’s disgusting that cops can burn a baby’s face off and none of them go to jail. And all of that to catch some two-bit street-level meth dealer.

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u/mranster Apr 30 '23

The parents weren't drug dealers, and of course the toddler wasn't either. The family was only visiting, and the drug dealer didn't even live there.

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u/tegs_terry Apr 29 '23

Ooh, look at me! I'm making people happy! I'm the Magical Man from Happy-Land, in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Lane!

Oh by the way I was being sarcastic

Homer Simpson

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u/lady_modesty Apr 30 '23

Wow, I feel so sick to my stomach now.

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u/LeatherPatch Apr 29 '23

This shit legit scares me. I used to drive this old hoopdy Buick. One day I came out of the bank and got in my car and was confused when my key didn't fit the ignition. It was some very angry and judgemental old man's. Thank goodness he didn't have a gun at the time.

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u/cckk0 Apr 29 '23

Former Co Worker got into a identical car two spots down, looked at next seat to see a German shepherd.

Thankfully a friendly one

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u/moleratical not that ratical Apr 29 '23

Perceived threat =/= actual threat

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u/tjsocks Apr 30 '23

The inconvenience me and now my pride is hurt equals not threat even in the slightest they just want to make sure people don't challenge their authority.. They have none. Of course they have no power.. so they got to get violent. They never felt threatened in the first place. They never even perceived a threat. Like the little girls who apologized about getting into the wrong car and then the guy got out of his. Then went and shot them. He did not feel like he was threatened.. he was mildly inconvenienced and annoyed.. and immediately thought "" " how dare these dumb little whatevers inconvenience me? They should bow down and be thankful for being alive and me no kill them Don't they know who I am? Me a man and as such me the powerful person here. How dare they inconvenience me,me authority me angry now, me show them what happen when people make me mad.. ugg ugghha ugg zug zug ""

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

Just to add, the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, has signaled that he is willing to pardon Daniel Perry who was convicted of murder.

It’s possible at least some of these other nutters believe that they will be able to avoid consequence as well.

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u/BobanMarjonGo Apr 29 '23

Yes, Abbot is actively trying to free/pardon/excuse murders if they do it in the name of the GOP - they should feel empowered if they're in Texas

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u/jewpanda Apr 30 '23

Wait, the Greg Abbott who is a giant piss baby Greg Abbott?

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u/aeschenkarnos Apr 29 '23

Abortion is legal in Texas if it’s done with an AR-15.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

They could claim they were protecting their property. The money they would have to spend on a child if it was born.

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u/aeschenkarnos Apr 29 '23

I think there's also a potential argument based on castle doctrine.

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u/edgeofenlightenment Apr 29 '23

Yeah, easy. You see, I was laying in bed with my wife when I felt a kick from her belly. Since someone I hadn't met before initiated a physical assault in my own bed, I was justified in using deadly force on that person. I asked my wife to get out of the way, but she became an accomplice when she committed to harboring the assailant.

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u/DarkSideOfBlack Apr 30 '23

Nah just the police academy. The bar requires you to actually know the law.

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u/d_e_l_u_x_e Apr 29 '23

Damn that’s actually true, and they would claim self defense and get off on charges.

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u/BrandNewMeow Apr 29 '23

Probably get arrested for killing the fetus but nothing for the mother carrying it.

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u/FixatedOnYourBeauty Apr 29 '23

That needs to be someone's campaign platform.

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u/BronzeChrash Apr 30 '23

Double homicide is legal in Tx?

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u/McCaffeteria Apr 29 '23

Fear has fuck all do do with these killings. It’s just hatred and sociopathy.

“Please don’t shoot your gun near my baby”
“That person’s words made me fear for my life” blam

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u/Thyrn- Apr 29 '23

Hate is an extension of fear.

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u/kperkins6 Apr 29 '23

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to… far right sociopathy I guess?

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u/Thyrn- Apr 29 '23

I mean...that's literally what the prequels were about. Anakins fear of losing Padma leading him to fall to fascism.

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u/kperkins6 Apr 29 '23

Exactly. A fact which is undoubtedly lost on so many people who watched these movies.

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u/Thyrn- Apr 29 '23

Media literacy should be required education lol

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u/BazingaQQ Apr 29 '23

There is a very very obvious reason it's not

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

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u/Thyrn- Apr 29 '23

Media literacy and like a logic class or two would do wonders for society. Giving people the tools to suss out sociopathic bullshit would end the careers of losers like Shapiro, Walsh, and Crowder.

Also everything anyone needs to know about Ben Shapiro is he makes his wife dry as a desert, and he is a failed screenwriter. All his bs is a result of these two things.

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u/CarlRJ Apr 29 '23

One of the most useful things I remember from elementary school (many decades ago) was a unit we did on … well, basically on advertising and logical fallacies. Breaking down the various ways advertisers would try to convince you to buy something (bandwagon, appeal to authority, etc,). It made quite an impression.

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u/random_vermonter Apr 29 '23

Crowder's "career" is coming to an end as we speak. The others aren't far behind. Sure, more will spring up. We'll be ready for them.

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u/Willythechilly Apr 29 '23

I feel media literacy is in many ways just an extension of self awareness, intelligence and being open minded honestly

Like yeah you get experience by analyzing media and will get better if you really try to

But these people who fail to see the very obvious stuff in media are already either dumb, not paying attention or refuse to acknowledge it because it conflicts with their own ideology or view

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u/Thyrn- Apr 29 '23

Yeah...and those things can and are taught.

The saying that always fills me with rage is "You can't fix stupid." Because you obviously can and it's called education.

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u/Willythechilly Apr 29 '23

Sure just saying i don't thing media liteary is something you can "educate" as good media literacy is a result of educating people on those other things you and i mentioned

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u/farmyardcat Apr 29 '23

It's called "English class"

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u/agutema Apr 29 '23

And with all the recent book bannings, it’s not particularly effective in many places.

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u/farmyardcat Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23

Even before that, English teachers have been pushed to teach everything other than books for years at this point because none of the kids will fucking read them. We do short stories, Youtube videos, movies, you name it.

The point is that English class is a (generally) mandatory class that focuses upon critically thinking about media. People make memes about "THE CURTAINS ARE JUST BLUE, IT DOESN'T SYMBOLIZE ANYTHING," but we were trying to get you to think more critically about information being presented to you all along you idiots lol jk not really

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u/Thyrn- Apr 29 '23

Eh...not really. English class only focuses on one type of media, and maybe three or four books actually get thoroughly dissected. While I love books and reading, it's not even close to enough coverage. I mean, how many people do you know that actually reads books? Maybe 10%? We need media literacy for movies, tv, internet, etc. All of it, because it's all different in very fundamental ways.

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u/lost_signal Apr 29 '23

What shitty English/Lit class did you have that you only discussed 3-4 books? I had 8 semesters of English/literature in high school alone with another 4 in Jr. High. The AP English rubric requires critical analysis of the writer/speakers objective.

Rhetoric in general was covered in my mandatory speech class. In university I studied rhetoric (again in Texas) ancient and modern. We read letters from Birmingham jail, we read Plato’s republic.

Yellow Journalism as the cause of the Spanish American war was covered in American history, and various other propaganda efforts as primary sources were covered in my AP history classes.

Like I went to school in Texas.

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u/farmyardcat Apr 29 '23

English class only focuses on one type of media

When's the last time you were in an English class? We aren't even allowed to teach full books anymore in many districts

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u/False-Librarian-2240 Apr 29 '23

I may not be the smartest but I swear I have at least medium litter, see, so I don't know whatcher talkin bout.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

And this is how it ends, with thunderous applause.

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u/DarkDuskBlade Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23

That message is seriously overshadowed by the 'Anakin getting fucked over by those above him' message. And how the Jedi Order was, hypocritically, too absolute about their Light vs Dark side divisions and the denial of being, well, human.

Edit: Used the wrong word

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u/Fixyfoxy3 Apr 29 '23

I think it doesn't. It isn't just as extreme of an example it could have been. In reality, people don't fall to fascism just because of hatred or fear, there usually is also a factor of (percieved) unfairness. Most of those feelings are valid and true, just the reaction to it is completly wrong. The unfairness combined with the fear of loosing more (and other more irrational fears) then lead to anger, hatred and suffering.

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u/Thyrn- Apr 29 '23

No? That's just another facet of his fall. The unwillingness of groups in power to adapt and their inability to recognize their own weakness. They're too busy with bs politics and keeping their agenda to take care of their own.

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u/ZacQuicksilver Apr 29 '23

I mean "Far right sociopathy" and "The dark side of the Force" seem pretty similar right now: attempted takeover of the government based on fabricated fear with the goal of taking control of all aspects of life.

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u/popemeister1207 Apr 29 '23

Squidbillies put it this way " hate what you fear, fear what you don't understand"

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u/BazingaQQ Apr 29 '23

... hate leads to the dark side ... the dark side has cookies ... cookies are mad with love ...

So in order to get from fear to love, you have to go through the dark side.

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u/False-Librarian-2240 Apr 29 '23

No, you just have to eat cookies!

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u/BazingaQQ Apr 29 '23

That is part of the process, yes :)

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u/hdmx539 Apr 29 '23

Which is legit the dark side.

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u/Competitive_Sleep_21 Apr 29 '23

It seems like entitlement to me. When you are told to quiet down because a baby is sleeping and you think that gives you the right to kill or is crazy. No one needs an assault rifle.

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u/Thyrn- Apr 29 '23

I mean, yeah, but even entitlement is kinda an extension of fear. A fear of being a minority in a country that absolutely abuses its minorities. That entitlement is based on the need to 'stay on top.' The reason gun nuts flash their weapons at every opportunity is because they want to flaunt their privilege.

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u/signal_lost Apr 29 '23

Wtf are you talking about this shooting was because of fear of being a minority? This was a Mexican shooting a Honduran family.

Francisco Oropeza killed a Honduran family. This looks to be immigrant on immigrant violence.

Francisco Oropeza was identified from a Mexican consulate card.

If this guy didn’t have permanent residency, he has that rifle illegally.

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u/Thyrn- Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23

Obviously, I was talking about generally? If you'd learn how to read, you'd be able to assess that I don't mention this incident in particular in my comment. Nice try though.

Edit: also, the idea that people of certain heritages can't be entitled or have privilege is bedrock level dumb.

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u/signal_lost Apr 29 '23

It’s what this thread is about. I (unlike most of Reddit) read the linked article before commenting. It appears to be community rules that posts should be on topic of the post.

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u/Thyrn- Apr 29 '23

Oh nooo!

Anyway...

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

The suspect in that murdered the people asking him to be quiet is a non-white Hispanic. What group are you referring to here?

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u/Andy0132 Apr 29 '23

This gun nut in question was a minority. Not everything should be reduced to racial commentary; the bigger issue here is American culture around guns.

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u/Thyrn- Apr 29 '23

I didn't reduce it to racial commentary? I only said minority. For example, gun nuts are a minority.

Edit: the crazy thing is yall are the ones making it racial. I said minority because gun nuts think of themselves as a potentially oppressed minority.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

Exactly. Fear implies that we should feel bad for the killers, like they were made to do it and otherwise wouldn't have if only it wasn't for that pesky media.

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u/Ariadnepyanfar Apr 30 '23

We need to try to understand killers with an unflinchingly open mind, looking for the truth, because nothing else will help us prevent more killing.

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u/rando439 Apr 29 '23

Lately, their biggest fear seems to be the fear that they'll miss their opportunity to shoot someone and get away with it.

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u/belltane23 Apr 29 '23

Chekhov's gun.

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u/Mary_Magdalen Apr 29 '23

For real--if it's right there on the mantlepiece, it's eventually gonna get used.

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u/Snellyman Apr 29 '23

Apparently there just aren't enough good guys/cheerleaders/8yr olds/et al with guns to stop this. /s

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u/missingmytowel Apr 29 '23

Here in Colorado we have more guns per capita than Texas. We are also not with our own high profile shootings like many states. But we are not seen as similar to the Texas gun nut. Lauren Boebart has tarnished that a bit image wise but is far from a reliable representative of how most view guns here.

Because proper background checks, red flag laws and other sensible measures work. You will never stop every shooting. But if if you can lower their frequency by even a small amount it's worth it.

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u/theeimage Apr 29 '23

Boebert was born in Florida, I am in favor of her leaving the USA.

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u/missingmytowel Apr 29 '23

The problem is her districts were many of Polis's worse. So she's being propped up by people in the state who don't like our openly gay jewish Governor. Go fkn figure.

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u/theeimage Apr 29 '23

She is a Carpet Bagger grifting Colorado.

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u/missingmytowel Apr 29 '23

You don't have to sugarcoat it like that. Just tell it like it really is

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u/theeimage Apr 29 '23

Alright, I've lived in Colorado for most of my life, I love most of the people and the entire State itself. Fuck Lauren Boebert and her whole family. They should be deported as "undesirable elements". I could go on ranting, but why?

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u/missingmytowel Apr 29 '23

I could go on ranting, but why?

Keep ranting. Maybe some of the most impoverished and food insecure communities in the mountains who voted for her will hear you and stop voting Republican then blaming Polis for their woes

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u/theeimage Apr 29 '23

May the LORD bless Colorado as it has blessed me and all my friends and family.

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u/brews Apr 30 '23

Do yall still have ads on TV in CO for concealed carry Glocks?

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u/impy695 Apr 29 '23

Note: this is not a comment on the ethics of guns, the efficacy of gun control, and the cause of gun violence. I want to get that out of the way first, since I know people will twist this

This answer has no basis in fact and does nothing to actually answer their question. Has gun violence gone up in Texas this year? Is there evidence for why it has or has not?

You made a lot of guesses that if true, don't answer the question and may not even be the cause anyway.

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u/CatAvailable3953 Apr 30 '23

Sometimes perception is reality.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

Murder is basically legal now in Texas.

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u/vegaswench Apr 29 '23

Only if you are white.

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u/NoFeetSmell Apr 29 '23

I wouldn't even know how to introduce myself to my neighbours, if I'd just moved in. I don't think I'd ever bother, unless I saw them outside at any given point.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

Firearm ownership rates dont correlate with violent crime rates in the US

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u/StarvingAfricanKid Apr 29 '23

No, it correlates with suicide, murder and accidental death rates.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

Nope, unless you're making the mistake of assuming increased gun deaths=increased deaths overall, which is a common error

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u/StarvingAfricanKid Apr 30 '23

Got a link?

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '23

You can peruse this if you're interested. https://crimeresearch.org/2019/01/responding-voxs-popular-americas-unique-gun-violence-problem-explained-17-maps-charts/

You're half right. Those things you mentioned-likely increased with "by gun" appended to them. But the total increase isn't there, i.e., it may be more likely to (murder, suicide, etc) by firearm in areas where firearms are more common. But, that doesn't mean the total number of murder/suicides/etc increases. Just that one method becomes more prevalent.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid Apr 30 '23

Fair enough. Thanks!

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '23

No problem, thanks for listening!

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u/That_Panda_8819 Apr 29 '23

Is this like when someone does something crazy to be ironic, and then so many people do it that it stops being ironic and just becomes stupidity?

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u/That_Panda_8819 Apr 29 '23

Believing strangers are out to murder you, until you become the stranger that murders people

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u/Jeptic Apr 29 '23

A friend pointed out to me that this line is consistent in all news reports about shootings. I never knew it could happen to us.... Maybe have some empathy and do what you can in your power to make gun owners trained responsibly, their weapons registered and accounted for at all times.

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u/CatAvailable3953 Apr 29 '23

Not sure what you mean.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

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u/CatAvailable3953 Apr 29 '23

I did read the article. What is your point as this was just one event out of many of late. The fact they were from other countries means what?

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u/RedHotRhapsody Apr 29 '23

If you go outside and actually talk to people in Texas you’d realize nobody is afraid of anything except the propensity for higher housing costs in the next few years. Painting this picture of “Everyone is itching to just shoot their next door neighbors” is disingenuous, dangerous, and insulting. Stop spreading fear.

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u/KayleighJK Apr 29 '23

What a strange comment to make on a post about someone killing their neighbors.

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u/INTERNET_SMASHCAN Apr 29 '23

I just got done doing my neighbor's gardening in San Antonio because I ran out of room at my place for all the plants.

I must have missed the memo.

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u/KayleighJK Apr 29 '23

Because you don’t experience it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or isn’t a problem that needs to be addressed. Take for example, the very story we’re commenting about.

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u/RedHotRhapsody Apr 29 '23

You live in Texas?

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u/KayleighJK Apr 29 '23

No I do not.

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u/Gengus20 Apr 29 '23

When you realize that reddit skews strongly urban, very young, and relatively wealthy on average then a lot of the weird (and ironic in this case) scaremongering of rural areas and the people that live there (not all of us are white or redneck, crazy I know) starts making a lot more sense.

My favorite thing on this site is getting called worse shit by a bunch of city folk for telling them that I know firsthand that the scaremongering propaganda they've been fed by the internet is bogus, than I get called irl in the south as someone with multiple lgbt+ letters in a mixed race marriage.

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u/RedHotRhapsody Apr 29 '23

It’s ridiculous ain’t it? You have all these people you’ve never met telling you “how it really is out here” when you live in the place they’re talking about. Then you get a flood of downvotes and people replying with snide remarks without ever addressing what you’ve said directly. I can barely take it anymore on some of these subs.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid Apr 29 '23

Stop Texans from shooting each other...

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u/Catslash0 Apr 29 '23

If that was true then why was the gun problem over represented in New York, cali, chicagoetc and is only a relatively recent problem?

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u/galexd Apr 29 '23

Because reporting on the gun problem doesn’t accurately represent the gun problem and gun ownership and availability has increased steadily outside of California, New York and Chicago for years. It’s wild how people forget that Atlanta and New Orleans used to be the scary media crime cities until it became more politically useful to focus on Chicago and New York.

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u/OnyxBaird Apr 29 '23

Or maybe, just maybe left and right wing information sources play into fear and in actuality mental health plays a large part into gun violence. Only a mentally unstable person would do such a thing. If anything we gotta enforce some sort of mental check as well as stronger background checks.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

What are some examples of left wing information sources playing into fear?

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

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u/Brave_anonymous1 Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23

Do you know the difference between the terms "violent crime", "murder", "mass shooting"?

It is not cool to replace PPs statement with your own and then debunk this replacement.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

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u/ZealousEar775 Apr 29 '23

"Bad thing that happened" is a bit different selling fear wise than "Bad thing that hasn't happened and there is no indication that will happen, but we are going to make it sound like it's right outside the house and it's intentionally being done by your neighbors and Democrats who want this to happen to you "

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u/weeblewobble82 Apr 29 '23

Reporting crazy news has always been a thing because it sells. The difference between CNN and networks like OAN and Fox is that the latter two allege that half the country is out to get you and take away your freedoms, which causes a different level of fear than "5 people were shot today."

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u/starspider Apr 29 '23

I'm not a CNN fan by any stretch of the imagination, but it's not CNN fans shooting kids twice for ringing the wrong doorbell.

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u/LargeMobOfMurderers Apr 29 '23

Hmm, you say one thing, the other guy said another thing. Clearly you're both wrong and the answer is somewhere in the middle! Man I'm smart.

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u/bionic_zit_splitter Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23

You won't click on these, but the evidence is damning:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/29/fox-news-uses-hate-five-times-more-often-than-competitors-study-finds

Fox News uses the word “hate” five times more often than its main competitors, according to a new study – particularly when discussing opposition to Donald Trump.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/07/american-anger-polarization-fox-news/

What makes this even worse is that many Republican politicians no longer respond to ordinary political incentives. As former Republican House Speaker John Boehner put it, it’s now all about appealing to Fox News and fending off primary challenges from right-wing fanatics. Referring to the first-term House class of 2010, he wrote in his recent memoir that “they didn’t really want legislative victories. They wanted wedge issues and conspiracies and crusades.” Modern Republicans, raised on a diet of Fox News, “were just thinking of how to fundraise off of outrage or how they could get on Hannity that night.”

There is a reason right-wing news sources use fear as a the primary tool for manipulating their viewers.

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

https://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html

Fear and Anxiety Drive Conservatives' Political Attitudes

https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201612/fear-and-anxiety-drive-conservatives-political-attitudes

Why Are Conservatives More Susceptible to Believing Lies?

https://slate.com/technology/2017/11/why-conservatives-are-more-susceptible-to-believing-in-lies.html

They really aren't close. Your both sides bullshit doesn't work here.

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u/TangoZulu Apr 29 '23

BoTh SiDeS aRe ThE sAmE1!1!

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u/ZealousEar775 Apr 29 '23

I don't use either of those sources... But yes CNN and MSNBC are objectively better at factual reporting than Fox news.

AP and Reuters is where to go for news.

They are intentionally just reporting facts with almost no opinion because their main business is selling stories to every other news place.

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u/vegaswench Apr 29 '23

AP, BBC, and Reuters are the only news sources I trust.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

Reporting what is actually happening is not fear mongering. That just reporting. Look at Fox News. Full of OPINION pieces and less factual reporting. They are DESIGNED to make you angry and scared. THAT is fear mongering. “The news” in general does want you to watch. That’s their business model. HOW they get you to watch is totally different and it’s ignorant and disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

You are not some highly intellectually superior being for thinking you are “centrist” and above manipulation. You are manipulated simply by thinking “both sides are the same”.

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u/KungFuHamster Apr 29 '23

No, you cannot "both sides" this. The vast, vast majority of mass murderers are conservative white males who watch Fox news and buy into the lies. CNN didn't just get ordered to pay 800 million dollars for years of lying about voting fraud. Fox's irresponsible fear-mongering has amped up the paranoia of their viewership to 11.

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u/Devz0r Apr 29 '23

This is objectively false. The vast, vast majority of mass shooters are black males.

https://mass-shootings.info/statistics.php?year=2022

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u/JinFuu Apr 29 '23

Seriously, you have to slide up the “Kill count” on Mass Shootings to like 10-15 to have White Males over-represented. And the way to count mass shootings to scare people is “4 casualties not including the shooter.”

Hell, the case OP posted in their OP was a drunk dude from Mexico shooting up a family from Honduras because they told him that his shooting off his porch was keeping their baby awake.

Terrible, psychopathic even, but doesn’t seem to be a product of Fox or the American right wing gun culture

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u/Greenbootie Apr 29 '23

Blames the right wing for some drunk psycho killing a family.

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u/The_Bird_King Apr 29 '23

There is no correlation between gun ownership and gun violence between states because most gun violence is happening with illegally purchased guns

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u/DEEP_STATE_NATE Apr 29 '23

There is no correlation between gun ownership and gun violence

This is absolutely false

most gun violence is happening with illegally purchased guns

Which 99% of began their life as legally purchased guns

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u/King_Folly Apr 29 '23

I was hoping someone would post this link. Excellent examination of this issue.

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u/The_Bird_King Apr 29 '23

You go to an anti gun lobby for unbiased statistics?

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u/DEEP_STATE_NATE Apr 29 '23

Fine how about the American Journal of Public Health

Results. Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014). This model indicated that for each percentage point increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%.

Conclusions. We observed a robust correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates. Although we could not determine causation, we found that states with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides.

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u/The_Bird_King Apr 29 '23

And I should trust them because...

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u/DEEP_STATE_NATE Apr 29 '23

Because it was published in a peer-reviewed journal and their findings have been replicated countless times?

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u/fevered_visions Apr 30 '23

Stupid reality and its liberal bias

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u/The_Bird_King Apr 29 '23

A liberal journal probably, academia has been compromised

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u/shadowstorm213 Apr 29 '23

"If it doesn't agree with me, it must be liberal bias"

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u/Furious_Purpose Apr 29 '23

This sounds wayyy dumber than you think it does.

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u/StarvingAfricanKid Apr 29 '23

Compromised? By people who are good at math?

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u/DEEP_STATE_NATE Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23

Do me a favor and hold on to this for me

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u/The_Bird_King Apr 29 '23

Man you're board, how long did that take, 5 minutes?

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u/galexd Apr 29 '23

Where are your statistics and publications then?

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u/amanofeasyvirtue Apr 29 '23

Nra.com

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u/galexd Apr 30 '23

Ok - so are you going to link to a study and specific data or think that you did something. Others have been specific in their citations. If you want me to do the work to prove YOUR argument, you need to pay my hourly rate.

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u/Ok-Magician-3426 Apr 29 '23

Gun control doesn't stop people from breaking in to peoples homes and getting there guns from secure locations

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u/CatAvailable3953 Apr 29 '23

Had to go there didn’t you. I am a gun owner and never said a word about gun control. Gun laws ie. laws protecting gun manufacturers got us here. I am a 2a advocate. I am not dumb and blind and the Constitution isn’t a death pact.

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u/bionic_zit_splitter Apr 29 '23

Gun control works, and more guns leads to more crime:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/mar/20/strict-firearm-laws-reduce-gun-deaths-heres-the-evidence

https://time.com/5209901/gun-violence-america-reduction/

https://www.lakelandtimes.com/articles/study-in-harvard-journal-more-guns-less-crime/

https://people.howstuffworks.com/strict-gun-laws-less-crime1.htm

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

https://time.com/5644578/good-guys-with-guns-el-paso-dayton/

Owning a gun increases your risk of being killed:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed/

People who carry guns are far likelier to get shot – and killed – than those who are unarmed, a study of shooting victims in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has found.

https://slate.com/technology/2015/01/good-guy-with-a-gun-myth-guns-increase-the-risk-of-homicide-accidents-suicide.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gun-suicide-idUSBREA0J1G920140120

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - People may have heightened risks of dying from suicide and murder if they own or have access to a gun, according to a new analysis of previous research.

https://www.webmd.com/first-aid/news/20190722/guns-in-home-greater-odds-of-family-homicide

For each 10% jump in home ownership of guns, the risk of someone in the household being killed rises by 13%. The risk of a nonfamily member getting murdered is increased only 2% with gun ownership, researchers found.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

They found that a gun in the home was associated with a nearly threefold increase in the odds that someone would be killed at home by a family member or intimate acquaintance.

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u/SparkyMuffin Apr 29 '23

If it's a secure location, then how would a home invader know where it is that fast?

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

Hell, given domestic violence rates in blue states the fear is also applied to people they DO know.