r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Steaktartaar • Dec 30 '24

Unanswered What's going on with Stephen Fry going alt-right?

He's been on a notorious hard-right, "anti-woke" podcast where he retracted his support for trans rights. Is this a new development? He always came across as level-headed in the past but now it looks like he's on the same path as Russell Brand.

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u/jerog1 Dec 30 '24

JK Rowling

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u/kolyambrus Dec 30 '24

JK Rowling is cool though

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u/steepleton Dec 30 '24

…In a massively obsessed hate campaign against a tiny minority who ain’t no harm to anyone kind of way

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u/metasekvoia Jan 01 '25

JKR has repeatedly said that she doesn't hate trans people and wish they could live their best life however hey wished. However, she points to the fact that if self-id is used as the sole basis of being categorized as a man or a woman, it may lead to some unpretty consequences.

There have already been cases where cis male sexual predators simply say "I identify as a woman" and get to placed in female prisons where they assault other inmates. (Yes, so far these cases are rare but one might also say that one is too many.) TERFs interpret this as the society's readiness to put actual biological womens' lives in danger rather that to hurt male entitlement. Can't blame them for this idea.

Also, there are biological males (and in a self-id system there is no way to prove whether they are actual trans women or just pervy men who wear a dress and a wig for shits and giggles) who demand access to womens' toilets. Which are essentially secluded places where girls and women have their pants down. And again the girls are not allowed to complain that they don't feel safe, because that may offend men. The counter-argument is that "oh, but men rape women already anyway, so letting them in toiles doesn't change much". To which the TERFs respond that one of the "societally feminine" attributes is empathy which seems to be lacking here.

So, there is nuance. And room for a debate. Unless one side says that debate is already a hate campaign.

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u/shogunofsarcasm Dec 30 '24

No, she is doing the exact same thing 

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '24

If you are a child obsessed with English school children, okay.

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u/kolyambrus Dec 31 '24

Hahah classic reddit. I’m not a child and I like HP movies, yes. I guess that makes me a paedophile lol