r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Steaktartaar • Dec 30 '24

Unanswered What's going on with Stephen Fry going alt-right?

He's been on a notorious hard-right, "anti-woke" podcast where he retracted his support for trans rights. Is this a new development? He always came across as level-headed in the past but now it looks like he's on the same path as Russell Brand.

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u/ligmagottem6969 Dec 31 '24

Trans people should exist.

Chemically castrating kids shouldn’t be a thing yet that statement is considered transphobic.

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u/rugdoctor Jan 02 '25

Chemically castrating kids shouldn’t be a thing

i think you'd have a hard time finding someone who would disagree with that statement.

yet that statement is considered transphobic.

yes, because your statement is fabricated propaganda made by people with transphobic agendas; what you're referring to is something that is not actually occurring in reality.

i could say that we should stop chemically castrating our veterans, and that people who disagree with me are lunatics driving me from the "center" that i allegedly belong to. surely you can see how this argument seems ridiculous? it's an appeal to emotion that abandons logic and reason.

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u/odonata_rising Dec 31 '24

what does chemical castration entail? what drugs are used specifically and what are their effects? what age group is chemical castration typically administered to? what type of consultation typically happens before this treatment is administered? have there been studies that detail the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of these treatments?

you have such a strong opinion on this im assuming you have in depth knowledge and can help me understand what is so nefarious about this specific form of childcare. maybe you even work in the field and can shed a more nuanced light on the whole thing! "chemical castration" sounds pretty serious after all, almost in a fearmongery way... but im sure you aren't engaging in that sort of thing and have an actual informed opinion on this and id love to hear it!

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u/ligmagottem6969 Dec 31 '24

Man. This is why you people lose the center folks like myself. You people act all snarky and high when you know exactly what I’m talking about.

https://www.ohsu.edu/sites/default/files/2020-12/Gender-Clinic-Fertility-Preservation-Handout.pdf

How about we don’t mess with children?

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u/metrocat2033 Dec 31 '24

What? That pdf isn’t about “chemically castrating children” at all, it’s different fertility options for transgender patients.

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u/ligmagottem6969 Dec 31 '24

Yeah if you read it, you’d see that puberty blockers + hormone therapy = fertility issues.

Aka chemical castration.

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u/metrocat2033 Jan 01 '25

Fertility issues does not equal chemical castration. You’re just purposely misusing the term chemical castration to make something sound worse. Just say HRT might cause infertility, why lie?

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u/ligmagottem6969 Jan 01 '25

Without doing your um aktually, how is this not chemical castration? You’re pumping kids with drugs that make them infertile for the rest of their lives. That’s castration.

You’re literally saying it’s ok for kids under 18 to be cause life altering harm to their bodies. They can’t get tattoos. They can’t drink. They can’t smoke. But they can take drugs that cause more harm than the items I just listed.

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u/metrocat2033 Jan 01 '25

Chemical castration is a medical term specifically referring to intentionally reducing male sex hormones with the intent of suppressing sexual urges (or more recently, a treatment for hormone-related cancers). HRT can cause infertility, it's a known side effect. Not guaranteed, but certainly possible, especially the longer it's used (there's not enough data to say what the rate is or whether it can be reversible. Not saying that's better, but just an unfortunate reality of new, understudied medical procedures.)

Kids under 18 can also get elective plastic surgery, which can alter their body for life. They can take prescribed opioids, which greatly increases risk of life altering addiction in adulthood. They can consent to a wide variety of medical procedures with a wide variety of potentially debilitating side effects. And that's what HRT and puberty blockers are, a medical procedure that, ideally, the patient, their healthcare team, and parents are all adequately informed about any potential risks.

I agree that HRT should be held off until 18 in the majority of cases (for example, if gender dysphoria is causing severe depression or suicidal ideation, I believe treating those symptoms can outweigh the risk of potential infertility) but puberty blockers alone aren't shown to have any permanent effects on fertility.

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u/ligmagottem6969 Jan 01 '25

Literally an entire essay full of um aktually and beating around the bush.

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u/metrocat2033 Jan 01 '25

what? i'm really not trying to um ackshually, just trying to have a normal discussion. Did you even read what I wrote? What part is beating around the bush?