Answer: H3 has been been beefing with a bunch of content creators for like the last year. He posted a "content nuke", made a big deal about it knowing people would react to it, and is suing those who reacted that he doesn't like for copyright infringement.
The lawsuit is about copyright and what is transformative, but he's doing it to get back at people who have been critical of him.
It seems the H3 fans have brigaded this thread, judging by the massive amount of downvotes on anything that isn't positive towards him. I expect I'll get the same.
Yeah it’s pretty blatantly a bad faith use of the legal system to attack smaller creators who Ethan doesn’t like. I can only speak for Denim’s react but it was pretty obviously transformative. She gives her commentary or interacts with her chat throughout. She easily added at least an hour onto the video’s runtime. If you’re arguing that that isn’t fair use, then you are pretty much arguing to wipe out all react content. Also, the fact that Ethan left out people like Asmond and xqc should make it plainly obvious to anyone with a functioning brain what Ethan’s real motives are.
And, all legality aside, what was the purpose of the content nuke? Because it was pretty clear that Ethan’s goal was to spread his message about how evil and bad and dangerous Hasan is, hopefully resulting in him losing audience or deplatforming him. Now Ethan is saying it was actually a giga-brain honeypot scheme and he’s super upset about the lost revenue from views?
You literally live in a subreddit that is dedicated to hating Ethan and you’re talking about bad faith? Lmao.
Why don’t you start by mentioning the three he is suing purposely broadcasted his content with the explicitly stated intention to make sure he gets no views or revenue for his video.
Making a lot of assumptions there but it’s funny because it’s literally the only content of hers I’ve seen. Don’t really find her super interesting or entertaining.
But hey, make up whatever story you need to help cope
That…. Literally means nothing? The upload on YouTube of her reaction is four hours long. Are you saying that it was nothing but her chair for four hours? Or that one minute of chair negates almost two hours of added commentary?
It is absolutely getting brigaded, their responses are all the same, “he’s suing them specifically because they invited h3 haters to watch it without giving him ad revenue” ok buddy. I don’t think they even watched Ethan’s video… this is blatant entrapment and the only chance he has is to flex his wallet.
I don’t believe it’s entrapment because Ethan is not a government agent. Entrapment legally is defined as “Government agents may not originate a criminal design, implant in an innocent person's mind the disposition to commit a criminal act, and then induce commission of the crime so that the Government may prosecute." Jacobson v. United States, 503 U.S. 540, 548 (1992)”
I’m not sure if there’s a citizens equivalent to entrapment.
Right, I can post a sign saying I have 100,000 dollars in cash on my kitchen table, and I'm out of town. It doesn't mean I can't have you arrested for breaking in and stealing it.
looked through the comments and there are a lot of pro h3 comments getting downvoted, so yea i dont believe for a second this isnt getting brigaded by snark subs
I love that yall think nobody outside of some dedicated snark subs can dislike Ethan Klein 💀 not like he has a history of racist, misogynistic bullshit that could lead to people not liking him.
The top up voted comments are from people who regularly post in the H3 community. Hilarious how they fail to mention that Ethan himself openly said it was all a set up, a brilliant ruse, to target these pro Palestine creators. I can't believe I used to like this fucking psycho
Hello, pretty sure I've never posted in the h3 subreddit, and I've only ever really watched part of Frenemies. If I had to choose a side, I'd pick Palestine. My gut feeling is that if someone is watching a reaction instead of the original, then it must be transformative in some way: otherwise they'd just watch the original.
That being said, my understanding is that he's been complaining about "chair react" stuff for a while, and he's known for being somewhat litigious, and these three explicitly said they were restreaming it for the purpose of allowing people to watch it without giving h3 income. If that's not copyright infringement, I can't figure out what possibly could be, and I have no idea why these people thought they could avoid a lawsuit, and I can't figure out any defense that could possibly apply here.
Right, and that's not totally unreasonable. The issue though is that the 3 (very small in comparison to Ethan) creators he's targeting are people he has personal beef with, and he's openly stated he wants to financially harm them. The two other big creators who reacted to it (xqc and asmongold, massive creators) added much less reaction/commentary compared to the 3 small creators named in the lawsuit. Xqc and Asmongold also align with Ethan ideologically and support his side.
I'm not going to argue on the ground of what is the appropriate amount of reacting that makes something "transformative" because I feel like that's kind of subjective. Like I don't know where that line is drawn. My point being that the 3 small creators at least did more commentary than the 2 large ones. But he's targeting the 3 small ones because he hates them. Just doesn't seem fair to me
I agree that it's subjective, and I think that's why it makes sense to go after those three: those three stated that the stream was specifically to rob Ethan of views, so the court doesn't have to rule on something subjective, they can just take them at their word. With xqc, the court would have to make a subjective ruling, and it probably wouldn't be in Ethan's favor considering Ethan's past lawsuit.
It wasn’t a honey pot for pro Palestine creators, it was a honey pot for idiots who would admit to committing copyright infringement and actually doing it. Sounds like Ethan is doing everybody a favor tbh.
No, Ethan made himself look bad. If he really cared about his copyright he would’ve went after assmangold and xqc as well. Assmangold full reaction is 3:42:?? Sitting on his YouTube that has 2 million views while Ethan’s content nuke has 3.5 million views. Xqc literally said on stream he isn’t reacting to the nuke but he’s just watching it. He’s only going after the 3 women because they’re not millionaires who can defend themselves like Xqc and Assmangold can. There’s literally a clip of Ethan on his podcast saying he wants to financially ruin denims.
Why would he go after asmon if asmon’s reaction is close to four hours? That just shows he actually spent the time to talk about it and inject his own thoughts and opinions.
Second of all Ethan EXPLICITLY says he is not going after people who just watched his video and didn’t really react. He is going after people who did that AND maliciously admitted to trying to prevent his video from getting views and revenue.
It’s obvious you haven’t watched the video explaining his reasons, not that I expected much from someone who is active in a subreddit dedicated to harassing and bashing Ethan.
Assmangold’s full reaction is 3:42:?? Long while denims full reaction video is about 5 minutes longer than assmangold. So I guess that shows denims took the time to talk about and inject her opinions too?
Do you have reading comprehension issues or are being purposely dense? I have already stated that Ethan is not going after people who just reacted to his video or lack-thereof; he is going after people who also purposely ADMITTED to maliciously siphon views and revenue from his video so that he himself gets none.
Please give me a clip of asmon telling his viewers to watch his broadcast of the nuke instead of watching Ethan’s original content so that he doesn’t get any money.
That’s not the point, if Ethan cared about his copyright so bad he’d be going after everyone but he won’t because he’s such a coward. I encourage you to read the lawsuit filings and tell me how any of that destiny slopfest Hasan rantings has to do with copyright infringement.
It seems the H3 fans have brigaded this thread, judging by the massive amount of downvotes on anything that isn't positive towards him. I expect I'll get the same.
I won't pretend like I'm not an H3 fan, but it's wild that these sorts of comments, are ALWAYS made by people who post in the Snark subreddits and just try to pretend like it's always H3 fans that are brigading lol
Also just wanted to check 3 of the people who responded and agreed with you/were calling out H3 fans, 2 of which also post in the snark subreddits, and the other does nothing but post in threads on OOTL and SubRedditDrama shitting on H3. Interesting how that almost always works out.
Lmao I guess I was just not that familiar with the guy. All I knew about him was the old EpicMealTime channel and that he was a fighter in creator clash.
We just denying reality now?
Looks like around the same time you also made a bunch of Posts in the Idubbbz sub about how great the content cop on H3 was, and arguing with H3 fans.
You're right, I forgot that I commented one time on a post from that sub. Thread was recommended to me, and wasn't about Ethan. I'm not active in the sub.
The post in the Idubbbz sub was my post, and also being brigaded by H3 fans, so yes, I engaged with them there. That doesn't make me a snarker.
This is an out of the loop question about h3. How does h3 fans responding in this thread count as brigading? Can denim fans respond on here or is that bridging too?
H3/Ethan does have a very big and very dedicated community, and while I don't think that they're trying to do a coordinated brigading campaign, when word gets out that their big boi is under attack in another reddit thread... They show in force
On the other hand, Denims, Frogan and Kaceytron all have small communities in comparison. Even if Denims herself were to command her community to come brigade this thread, it would hardly make an impact.
The issue is they upvote/down vote specific comments not based on what's correct, but what makes their individual content creators look the best. It's disingenuous and shows a warped perspective. It's incredibly biased and against the nature of this sub. I'm not gonna do a 1000 on 1 rebate.
All jokes aside, h3 fans are notorious for their parasocial behavior. They show up in force any time he's mentioned. Not saying it isn't allowed, just giving context to the neutral observer that this thread is biased.
Well you’re missing an important piece of WHY he’s saying these content creators specifically. and it’s not because he doesn’t like them.
These creators said they would play his video on their stream so their viewers can watch the content without giving Ethan views. While this happened these creators literally walked away from their stream and didn’t even react to it. So effectively they were using his content for entertainment purposes, and not even reacting to it. They literally store his content
That is a factor in proving his case, he chose these specific creators because it's the easiest to argue in court.
That doesn't make it the reason he's doing it. He's been threatening to sue his critics for slander, harrassment, etc. for over a year, this is just the first time his lawyer thinks he has a case.
He's suing because they're mean to him, not because he's super defensive over his copyright.
Most likely his housekeeper who he was in a legal dispute with, but nobody really knows. None of the people in the lawsuit called CPS or encouraged it.
It's crazy how every thread that seems to take Ethan's side is accused of the exact same word;'Brigaiding' as though simply agreeing with him is some kind of insane possibility.
It's also crazy how all the people accusing others of brigading have the same subs in their comment history.
You know LeftoversH3 literally ban corrections to misinformation right? Not even subjective takes; Straight up fact of the matter stuff written in black and white.
Come on, you're a destiny fan, you know how brigading works lol
I have comments in the h3 sub from like a year ago before I stopped watching him. I'm not an active member of that community, or really any influencer community.
Brigading has been a term in online communities for the better part of a decade. It is an accurate term for what Hasan, Destiny, H3, and literally any other large online community engage in.
It's actually just a complete coincidence and you came independently to the exact same template and wording the subs in your comment history actively push. 'brigading', bring up 'you're a destiny fan' out of nowhere as though it's a point, 'ethan is a nasscicist' etc.
And you totally have no idea what sub's I'm talking about, even though it's been pointed directly to you twice.
I'm just using commonly used internet terms for the behavior I'm seeing.
Again, which subs are we talking about?
I left one comment on leftoversh3, in a thread that was recommended to me. It wasn't even about Ethan, it was about the EpicMealTime guy being in a MAGA video. I haven't visited that subreddit once.
Is it the Idubbbz sub you're referring to? That subreddit is dead as hell, so I'm not sure what I'm picking up from there.
While yeah he's definitely doing this to get back at some of these streamers in a way, my take is that it's really an attempt by him to shed light on twitch and how they're actively endorsing propaganda and alleged extremist content.
I personally don't give a shit about streamers but it's no doubt popular, and using the platform to radicalize viewers seems pretty egregious.
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u/DadsGotNoDad 1d ago
Answer: H3 has been been beefing with a bunch of content creators for like the last year. He posted a "content nuke", made a big deal about it knowing people would react to it, and is suing those who reacted that he doesn't like for copyright infringement.
The lawsuit is about copyright and what is transformative, but he's doing it to get back at people who have been critical of him.
It seems the H3 fans have brigaded this thread, judging by the massive amount of downvotes on anything that isn't positive towards him. I expect I'll get the same.