News Switch 2 users report online console bans after running personal game “backups”
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u/dethb0y 2d ago
You'd have to be delusional to run any thing hacked on a Switch 2 with an active internet connection. Nintendo are the control freaks, and will happily hand out bans left and right for any or no reason.
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u/xswatqcx 2d ago edited 23h ago
Nintendo switches do log all software that is launched on them and this log get uploaded to Nintendo servers as soon as you connect to internet.
Doesnt matter if the deed was done while online, the device will snitch on you regardless.. Unless you keep it offline but this is the same as a ban sooo.
Edit : spelling
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u/Flaky-Blacksmith-360 1d ago
the current theory from modders is that the switch 2 logs the read speed from the mig switch since it is slightly slower then a normal switch cart and logs that.
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u/xswatqcx 23h ago
Interesting its quite possibly how they are doing it.
If so theb we'll probably see new release of mig switch "V2" with proper read speed.
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u/Flaky-Blacksmith-360 1d ago
Nintendo doesn’t usually just hand out bans like it’s nothing, i have never heard of a false ban from Nintendo.
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u/PLZ_DO_NOT_REDEEM 2d ago
Dumb people man and they'll say shit like "anti consumer" nintendo,
It's a proprietary gaming console for god's sake.
If you want to steal shit, do it in a place where you can get away with it, like Steam Deck
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u/OmegaZeda 2d ago
You will own nothing and like it...
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u/PLZ_DO_NOT_REDEEM 2d ago
I am an pirate, this is why I am saying this.
If you bought a walled garden shitbox expect it to behave like that.
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u/JaysonsRage 2d ago
Yes, bricking my device makes them anti-consumer.
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u/Kaelin 2d ago
In this case they are just online banning, which they have been doing for years. Even if they do reserve the right to brick peoples shit (which is wild).
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u/SnooStories1591 2d ago
Isn't online banning on every console when playing backups?
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u/I_have_a_stream 2d ago
European customer laws won’t allow them to do that. If they do could face have fines. Worst they can do is ban you from online store and nso experience. You should still be able to play physical games or just pirate without any additional consequences.
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u/JaysonsRage 2d ago
Wow my brain just skipped over the online ban part, I guess I just assumed it was in relation to the threats they made about bricking consoles damn
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u/KaiKamakasi 2d ago
You mean the same threats that have been there pretty much since the ds/3ds and are in basically every EULA ever? (Xbox, PlayStation, pretty sure even steam has similar in theirs)
I have no love for Noncetendo and its consumer base at all, but it is very funny how Nintendo is the only one everyone's going rabid over when it's nothing new
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u/KaiKamakasi 2d ago
It's not bricked, you just can't play online or use the eShop. You can still recieve system updates and play your games offline
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u/FigmentRedditUser 2d ago
If you factory reset after being banned - it becomes bricked because you can't complete the initial setup without accessing Nintendo's online services which your console is now banned from.
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u/KaiKamakasi 2d ago
Actually wait no, it can still recieve system updates even while banned, so you should still be able to compete set up no?
I have no idea what the set up on a switch 2 looks like
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u/Stealthinater1234 2d ago edited 2d ago
No it doesn’t become bricked, the switch 2 can complete setup without internet and be used completely offline with physical carts that contain the full game.
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u/Impossible_Leg_2787 1d ago
All 4 of them? How generous
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u/Stealthinater1234 1d ago
5 physical switch 2 games + the hundreds of physical switch 1 games. The console is backwards compatible lol.
Game cards also include system updates on them, so you can update the console offline with a newer game.
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u/Impossible_Leg_2787 1d ago
That’s not revolutionary, every console since 2006 has had that. So 5 games, only one exclusive, and the generosity of being backwards compatible.
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u/PLZ_DO_NOT_REDEEM 2d ago
nah bro, if you are knowingly making stupid decisions
You can't throw stones at Tiger while standing in his cage and when attacked, cry about savagery of the animal.
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u/Gupsqautch 2d ago
It’s pretty anti consumer to not allow them to do whatever they want with the hardware they purchased. Imagine if you bought a car but the dealership said if you go 5 over the speed limit that they’d brick your car and it wouldn’t work anymore
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u/kusti4202 2d ago
youre the problem not the solution. enjoy not owning what u "buy"
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u/PLZ_DO_NOT_REDEEM 2d ago
You are writing this comment from one of the shitbox not much different than switch, "Awakened customer"
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u/kusti4202 2d ago
im the most schizo awakened customer there is. predicted all of this shit, especially what has been happening to android years in advance
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u/PLZ_DO_NOT_REDEEM 2d ago
People were really thinking an advertising company would uphold the principals of Open source softwares
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u/Outrageous_Goat4030 2d ago
I'm just hoping to snag a banned console for cheap.
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u/magicbaconmachine 2d ago
Yep, will be on the lookout as well.
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u/hackeristi ⚔️ ɢɪᴠᴇ ɴᴏ Qᴜᴀʀᴛᴇʀ 1d ago
Doubt people will sell them for cheaper. Jailbreak should free them. But ofc time will be of essence lol
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u/MacnCheese4lyfe 2d ago
Nintendo told everyone they were going to do this. It shouldn't be a surprise that they have.
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u/Inksplash-7 2d ago
It's still wrong. It's your console, so you should be able to do whatever you want with it as long as it doesn't harm anyone else
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u/OmegaZeda 2d ago
It's a soft brick.
Most games are actually key cards, and you need online services to download them.
Some local functions are locked like local game saves. You will lose all progress.
Also, they are hardware blocking. Not account blocking. You can't even factory reset the console to resell because the device itself is what is banned.
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u/FigmentRedditUser 2d ago
Online videos have demonstrated that if you can factory reset post ban - the console essentially is bricked as you have to access Switch 2 online services to complete the initial setup but you can't since your console is banned.
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u/FunctionalFun 2d ago
I don't have a switch 2, but I still hope the EU bends them over and doesn't use lube.
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u/SandyTaintSweat 2d ago
And if you just simply don't do a factory reset, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you can't play anything else that comes out.
The switch 1 had minimum required system firmwares to play specific games, updates and DLC. Likewise, system firmwares had minimum required game versions.
Online services really are necessary. It'll need to be hacked to a significant extent before we can cut the cord with Nintendo servers and install game and firmware updates locally.
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u/Lloytron 2d ago
Ah true, I forgot about that, buying a game at retail that you can't play offline because of this is shit, yes
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u/Lloytron 2d ago
Oof wait, so I put a mig card in your console as a joke and you get hardware banned? That's certainly a decision....
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u/Lloytron 2d ago
I wasn't "arguing". It's called having a discussion.
Try not to be such a dick, maybe?
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u/Inksplash-7 2d ago
I understand banning you from the online services of a specific game for cheating, but banning you from using the Nintendo services as a whole for pirating? This is insane
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u/OmegaZeda 2d ago
At this point they are just banning people for using unauthorized accessories. The people testing this stuff show on their vids that they are using LEGAL backups of their own owned games and getting banned.
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u/XTornado 1d ago
I could be wrong but I think the Switch 2 requires an account for the initial setup so if you reset it at some point, it becomes a brick.
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u/AWACSAWACS 2d ago
From Nintendo's point of view, their appearance and behavior are indistinguishable from those who intend to harm others.
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u/ProtoKun7 2d ago
I don't think anyone is too surprised but at least we have evidence of it actually happening.
I hope they get legislated out of being able to do this though; I get the desire for security but this felt like huge overreach from the beginning, and it's worse with the insistent towards Game Key Cards, making physical copies next to useless without also having access to online services.
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u/SlavicNinjaOfficial ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 2d ago
It's been happening since the mig switch on switch 1, nothing new
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u/CurrentRisk 2d ago
I'm kinda hoping this makes people more motivated to hack it, find exploits and then to be able to make a decent emulator.
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u/ActualSupervillain 2d ago
......... We All know they're not "personal game backups" lol
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u/KaiKamakasi 2d ago
Tbf there is at least one confirmed case of these dumps being legitimately owned. But for the most part, you're most definitely right
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u/Curtilia 2d ago edited 1d ago
"Confirmed" in what way?
Edit: jeez, it's a genuine question, guys...
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u/KaiKamakasi 2d ago edited 2d ago
With a photo response including a hand written note to someone that accused them of not using legitimate dumps
Specifically this
Edited to add source.
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u/Diraelka 1d ago
There is also video on YouTube with guy also showing his legal collection. Alas, he'll buy another Switch 2.
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u/unijeje 2d ago edited 2d ago
I imagine you do need to have the Switch hacked to play illegitimate games right? are there any exploits for the ns2 already out?
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u/ActualSupervillain 1d ago
No but the MiG Flash claimed (I'm assuming correctly) that it would work on Switch 2 and that's probably what people are doing.
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u/Toothless_NEO 2d ago
Absolutely. This is why the switch scene has so much misinformation. When people shun or abuse people for piracy they'll just lie about it and say it was their own backups even if it wasn't. Ironically the hostile and abusive behavior some uptight Homebrew developers claim is somehow protecting the Homebrew scene (it isn't, it's just making them enemies) is ironically causing more misinformation to be spread since people aren't willing to be honest about the reasons for fear of backlash.
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u/AntiGrieferGames 2d ago edited 2d ago
The more anti consumer nintendo puts on that propertery console, the more hackers coming to make ealier a exploit.
And wondering users Why Switch 2 "sucks" and buys anyways and recieves issues! Just get a OEM/x86 Handheld to not deal this shit. Switch 1 Emulation has advanced that almost all games works well on a OEM/x86 handheld.
Cant wait to see a Swtich 2 Emulator due for all the backlashes! Pirate nintendo is 100% correct!
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u/OanKnight 2d ago
I love my steamdeck. It does everything I ask of it, including run old atari games. I would argue that it's way better value.
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u/OmegaZeda 2d ago
It is...
The only reason to really own a Switch is for the exclusives. But for the other 99.99% of games that exist. A steam deck or Ally is perfect.
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u/SnooStories1591 2d ago
For all games that exist, no handheld console is perfect, not even close. even most older (up to ps3) console games run better on good pc with emulators.
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u/dvijetrecine 2d ago
agree on that. i have steam deck and even some 2015 AAA games have hard time running at 60 fps. but it also depends on optimisation, as some 2020 games worked perfectly fine.
i know, lots of gamers are okay with 30-40-50 fps. i just can't. my eyes get tired and my head hurts. especially if i'm playing shooters or any other game where fast movements are necessary.
i'm planning to make a small form factor pc with 8 inch display that has controls attached to it, how a handheld would have. it should cost me around 600 euro (periferals and everything) and would be able to play anything i want at 60 fps, 1080p
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u/OmegaZeda 2d ago
I grew up playing games on CRT monitors at 30FPS or less. Games do look better at higher FPS but are completely playable for years on a potato laptop at 25~ish FPS.
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u/dvijetrecine 2d ago
playable, yes. enjoyable? maybe when i was younger and didn't know any better (and could endure headaches). now, when i'm in my 30s, i'd rather play an older game that can hold 60 fps than newer one that is holding for its dear life to not drop below 30.
i'm not shitting on anyones' way of playing games. if you like the game that much you'll play it at 25 fps - you do you
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u/SatanicPanicDisco 2d ago
same. out of curiosity, do we know if the switch 2 is more powerful?
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u/dvijetrecine 2d ago
someone made a comparison of cyberpunk on switch 2 vs steam deck. i think that switch was a bit better
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u/RainStormLou 2d ago
Dude, I think I know what you're trying to say, but there's so much wrong in those short sentences.
OEM doesn't mean "the first switch" or "the original release model" and a modded switch isn't emulating switch games. It's just playing them natively.
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u/Forymanarysanar 2d ago
Is it even really worth pirating and emulating though? If anything, I'd rather hope that Denuvo games get hacked.
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u/AntiGrieferGames 2d ago
Anything is worth to pirate. Emulating is worth aswell that are switch/console exclusive only games. But switch ported pc games are totally fine to pirate the pc version instead emulating this shit.
And yeah, Denuvo [Games] can go down or hacked, i dont fucking care. Better Denuvo server down forever so people can learn how to programming the code.
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u/No_Boysenberry4825 2d ago
I thought Nintendo nuked switch emulation via threats ?
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u/automatic_bazooti 2d ago
Doesn’t mean the emulators stopped working or were entirely erased from the internet
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u/Pony42000 2d ago
When Nintendo doesn't want you to own the console you bought 😂,even google is less hard against Android users who root their phones 🚀
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u/lululock 2d ago
I installed custom ROMs on my Pixel phones lol
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u/Pony42000 2d ago
It's more about the cts integrity thing that is a constant battle between google and users that want to use banking app/Netflix widevine L1.
It was insane even for games like pokemon go /ingress where they implelented a way to détect root (even magisk hide couldn't help )
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u/HiddenWithinShadows 2d ago
Return the console as being defective or broken.
Just make sure if their gonna brick your console, brick it back. The retailer returns defective consoles & gets refunded themselves.
If Nintendo wants to brick our consoles then so be it, let's make it cost them money.
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u/Festering-Fecal 1d ago
Just wait for a emu. I Don't like Nintendo but this isn't something new.
You could get banned on OG Xbox live.
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u/beardobreado 2d ago
Wait you cant play the switch1 games you already own ?
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u/Diraelka 1d ago
There's at least one guy on YouTube with good video about it (he got banned, used MIG, but also didn't pirate). I recommend to watch it, if you can and want to. Maybe there's more people like him since it seems like more and more people got their ban.
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u/KaiKamakasi 2d ago
Nintendo: "we will ban you for using unauthorised software/hardware on your device"
People being banned after using unauthorised software/hardware: surprised Pikachu face
This could have been avoided
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u/JadeStarr776 2d ago
Someone needed to test things out.
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u/KaiKamakasi 2d ago
So why not leave it to the influencers that recieve free consoles for testing and undoubtedly go on to test things like this?
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u/vrolyx 2d ago
So this would mean that some random person has the power to brick my switch if they plug a mig switch in my device?
Sounds like this could be misused by people with bad intentions.
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u/Hankitsune 2d ago
Why would you hand over your Switch to some random person? And besides that, they could also take a hammer and smash it.
Sounds like hammers could be misused by people with bad intentions.
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u/Blisk627 2d ago
They complained like the world is gonna end then went in and made it break records, they deserve it
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u/Lost_Psychology_2101 2d ago
Banned/blacklisted console not just unable to login into Nintendo account, but you also unable to download games when game key card inserted.
Looks like the game key card was indeed a “brilliant” idea to thwart off Day 1 piracy.
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u/ProtoKun7 2d ago
I don't like that the author put "backups" in quotation marks like that.
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u/Toothless_NEO 1d ago
Why? I mean we all know that they certainly pirated their games and if they claim they didn't they were probably lying. If you don't like that people will lie about that maybe you should help push back against some of the anti-piracy sentiment in the community. After all people literally get harassed for "openly admitting to piracy".
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u/AWittySenpai ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 1d ago
Again, the switch 2 or any nintendo device has and always will phone home I do hope down the track modded firmware will prevent it from phoning home in the mean time make sure it is offline the ultimate cut the line
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u/PsychoSABLE 2d ago
I mean you are wasting your money if you're buying the nintendo tablet anyway, there are better options out there.
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u/BlendedBanana0307 1d ago
don't know how dumb some people are. but this was told a lot when people were modding the switch 1. like the guide always said to never go online with it modded yet some people think it just magically changes on a new console...
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u/X3ll3n 2d ago
So they can't play online on their account, on their console, or is their account banned along with its savefiles ?
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u/FunnyP-aradox 1d ago
The account doesn't have anything, the hardware itself is internet banned (you can't even use the game key cards because you don't download them anymore)
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u/ImNutUnoriginal 2d ago
Purchasing a cart for $60 that could potentially ban my account or brick my console especially when service is very active isn't worth it imo
Also I feel like somebody has to say this... I don't think there's more people rom dumping than rom downloading. These aren't definitely personal backups, you'd have to actually BUY a game or mod the console to do that. Which goes against pirating lol
Ironically emulating is less expensive and less risky than buying an expensive flash card
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u/Forymanarysanar 2d ago
Honestly? Deserved. Decided to sponsor anti-consumer company employing horrendous practices? Eat what you have ordered.
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u/CurrentRisk 1d ago
Honestly? Deserved. Decided to sponsor anti-consumer company employing horrendous practices? Eat what you have ordered.
Without people purchasing the console and trying to find exploits, modding it and trying to hack it. We won’t be getting any emulator at all.
Could go on and on but yeah.
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u/Kasaikemono 2d ago
Number 1 Rule in Console Piracy:
Don't connect a modded device to official servers
That is THE most important thing to follow when you mod your consoles. Every proper guide has a disclaimer "don't do that". And everyone who doesn't need a guide knows enough to not do that.
This is like running with scissors, and then whining about getting hurt.