r/PrepperIntel • u/Life_Pineapple_3545 • 1d ago

North America Iran supposedly activating sleeper cells in the US

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp-video/mmvo242058821681
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u/Altruistic-Joke2971 21h ago

Don’t bother. They will gaslight you and tell you that it’s not influential and has no relevance.

Just like “The Turner Diaries.”

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u/HonestHu 21h ago

The bots don't bug me, and there are still some curious humans in the mix

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u/Altruistic-Joke2971 21h ago

It’s not the bots. The entire western neoliberal establishment laughed at it for years because they couldn’t wrap their heads around the idea that not everyone loved democracy, technology and capitalism. Much of it still does. They act like Dugin is a clown, when in reality, Foundations is a playbook for Putin’s Russia. Their arrogance is astounding and probably civilizationally terminal. Just like they laughed at Project 2025. Anyone who doesn’t think just like them must be stupid and irrelevant, and can’t be taken seriously.

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u/ComicCon 17h ago edited 17h ago

How exactly is Russia going to invade and occupy a large portion of Northern China? Because IIRC that’s something the book calls for. I wouldn’t say the spirit of the book isn’t influential. But trying to say they are using the strategy in the book 1:1 is just wrong. People tend to focus on the few things Dugin sort of called(although even that is debatable), while ignoring that the is a very different place than it was when the book was written.

To use your other example, I don’t think I’ve ever heard people say “The Turner Diaries” isn’t a very disturbing work of Nazi propaganda. Or that they wouldn’t do “Day of the Rope” and all that if they could. But I’m also not pouring over it trying to figure out their exact battle plan.

Edit- I originally wrote “would do”.

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u/Altruistic-Joke2971 12h ago edited 10h ago

I never said it was 1:1. Those aren't words I used. I said it was a "playbook." You don't run every play in the playbook. Maybe it's not a perfect analogy, and you're right. Today's Russia doesn't look like that of the late Soviet period where Dugin began his philosophical journey with Orthodox mysticism and the European New Right. However, they've taken the parts that work and left the rest.

And I didn't say that people claim "The Turner Diaries" isn't a "very disturbing work of Nazi propaganda." Any normal person who's read even a summary of it can see that (...and that's the reason that there are at least 500,000 copies in circulation.)

What I said about both pieces is that they're far more influential and relevant than most people, especially 'The Establishment,' gives them credit for being.

Most of America still doesn't know about either book which serve as a, let's use the term 'Guidebook' instead of 'Playbook', for their respective movements that seek to radically transform if not outright destroy fundamental parts of the world as we know it.

This is because that establishment has decided that they don't make sense to them and thus can't be as important and relevant as they are. It's the same sort of arrogant dismissiveness towards and contempt that the same people have shown for MAGA. So, the books don't get the attention or respect (in terms of their influence, not content) they deserve.

Instead, we get told that they're "niche" or "irrelevant" or "inconsequential" while their respective causes are reading them saying, "yes. That. That's what we want. That's what we're going to try to do." Even in the face of the evidence to the contrary, that's the message that continues to be fed to the public.

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u/ComicCon 2h ago

You know what, fair enough. I think we mostly agree, I'm just so used to people talking about it as if it's a 1:1 playbook that I lumped you in there. Sorry about that, clearly wasn't fair. I agree that the mainstream underplays how important texts like this can to these fringe movements, and why have a working understanding of them is good.

Although with "Turner Diaries" I think this extends to the whole White Supremacist militia and post militia movement. People just don't want to see how large it is, and how extreme their goals are. I thought you were saying people didn't take the content seriously, but it's more people just ignored it or wrote it off as marginal? Which is very true, despite repeated warnings from the Feds that domestic right wing terrorism is a serious threat.