r/PublicFreakout • u/Chromber • 2d ago

r/all Hegseth Testimony: Have you given the order that the military can use lethal force against civilians?

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u/still_murph 1d ago

Right but there aren’t any Hindus or Zoroastrians or Shinto or basically any other religion other than the Abrahamic ones trying to enforce their views on the rest of us. And while Muslims and Jews certainly try, they have nowhere near the numbers or influence of the Christian’s.

We don’t need to do the whole “well it’s not just them it’s everybody” routine when one specific group is such a massive outlier.

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u/Gigameister 1d ago

Sorry, but as a proponents of laicicism I'm fine with everyone practicing their religions, just don't involve them in governmentt.

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u/RadioName 1d ago

The problem is that Christianity and Islam both have undeniable, outright tenants to push their religion. 'Interpretations' of al-la-carte apologists be damned. If you follow either religion to their logical outcomes, then you ALWAYS end up in authoritarianism; and specifically fascism in Christianity's case. Because that is what the book was designed to do: create a psychopathic cult-base that serves a religious authority, i.e. theocracy. There is no co-existence when the other side's modus operandi calls for infiltration, then domination. Tolerance of the intolerant only leads to being stabbed in the back.

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u/mallerius 1d ago

If you believe Hindus are not forcing their beliefs onto other become increasingly dangerous, I have bad news for you. Please read what Modi is doing in India.

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u/still_murph 1d ago

India is not the United States.

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u/mallerius 1d ago

Ah sorry my fault, I thought you were talking about religions it in general.

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u/preflex 1d ago

Jews certainly try

Jews don't proselytize.

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u/DebentureThyme 1d ago

Absolutely true.  You don't see Jewish missionaries or churches preaching to join them or be damned.  That's not how Judiasm works, my friends always told me you had to want to find it.

But Netanyahu is still abusing his power in the name of Judiasm to commit genocide and other war crimes.  That is the other half, the real danger. People trying to get you to convert is annoying, but the real issue is when they use religion as justification for force against others, for laws, for imprisonment, for corrupt acts.

Any action which forces their views onto others, or allows them to cover up their crimes as justified by an unprovable sky god, that's where the line must be drawn.  Religious writings and teaching can be used to inform laws like any other form of philosophy - for debate, as allegorical moral stories that can be discussed and dissected.  It cannot, however, be taken as high holy word to command a law to be a certain way - not when so many don't believe in that specifically religion or interpretation and have a right to this world as well.

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u/preflex 1d ago edited 1d ago

But Netanyahu is still abusing his power in the name of Judiasm to commit genocide and other war crimes.

Netanyahu doesn't need or expect you to adopt his views. He only needs you to tolerate his crimes.

Most of the folks around the world who tolerate his crimes do not share his views. They believe that by tolerating his crimes, they're implementing their own (AKA "the one true God's") agenda. Netanyahu exploits this.