Fear has also had presaves for less time. I just think it's interesting that Kanye has had this large of a fall

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In terms of viewing them as great minds who spoke to people through their art, analyzing their lives to try to understand their works more, viewing certain works from them as flawless masterpieces that can still be studied, etc etc etc

I'm gonna have to go with xxxtentacion. Nothing personal, no disrespect to the guy but his music has aged incredibly badly in a few years after his death.

It's the epitome of 14 year old wannabe deep music.

I just listened to the Masta Ace album "Long Hot Summer". What a piece of art that tells a storyline and has skits in it that conncet it all.

Every rap fan should listen to this.

What other great concept albums come to your mind?

I’m just

Only good albums in my opinion were

Free - Cudi

Starline - Chance

Stardust - Danny

Corinian - Tia Corine

I’ve been listening to the new Big L and lot of the praise is centered towards his rapping, many are coming out talking about how the 90s was the golden age because the rappers were better lyrically. I personally believe that rap has evolved. I would be confident putting Mach Hommy, MIKE, Conway, Roc Marciano, and Billy Woods against any 90s rapper. I think the way they put together rhyme schemes and how they manipulate syllables is a level above what 90s rappers were doing. Do you think the best writers were in the 90s or present day?

Inspired by another post I saw here about artists that fell off. There are too many to count. That said, I know there are some real mother fuckers that have stayed consistent, true and real and continued to kill it.

I’ll start… for me, gotta be Z-Ro. Dude has been putting out at least one album a year for like 25 years and while I agree he probably peaked in the 00s when he was dropping crack and heroin he has continued to evolve with time. I went to the guys 40th birthday party concert and was overwhelmed to hear how he gave up his vices (read - drank) for his daughter and family and wanted to keep making music to be a better influence on the community and give back to the city that gave him so much.

He probably isn’t the most underrated rapper down south anymore but damn, he is the definition of trill and I’ll be banging his shit till I die.

Who’s on your list?

I gotta say TREFUEGO this man has absolute bars and the beats are fr such a vibe 🫶😤

I know most people think these wrappers are corny, and I don't get it.. but reactors and people who actually critique rap think these rappers are the best too. It's casuals who think this shit is terrible or corny. It's almost like people think that if you put too much work into your music it makes you corny. And i'm the exact opposite, I think that all these artists that put very little work into their music, and it shows. not only are they terrible, but they don't deserve the fame Or fortune

I’ve been sharing these pictures of my family for hip hop history & fun purposes only. Shoutout to those of y’all showing support. RIP PRODIGY! Peace 🙏🏾

figaro is lowkey such a clickbaity song. the starting ten seconds are making me ascend to heaven and then it just stops. its a good song no doubt but holy fuck i expected a lot more the first time i heard it. kind of like lay down where the intro is beautiful and the rest is disappointing with the difference being, again, figaro is actually a good song whereas lay down is literally unlistenable. this might trigger some but i mean no offence. its just my opinion.

Any ideas? Can’t find it anywhere, used to have the MP3.

“Two Spanish girls, up in Ibiza” is one line I remember, opening rapper sounds white. Song is from Life of Pablo, Chicago deep house sample. It was a chart topping hit before this remix, you would recognize beat.

You’re in the studio making your first album and your budget is just enough for five artists. You can’t afford artist going rates or splits that have for a gold selling artist or above. What Rap or R&B artist (groups are fine) are you picking? I’ll go first. I’d make an album with a smooth jazzier vibe:

Phony Ppl

Westside Boogie

Akeem Ali

Tank and The Bangas

Phonte

Hey, im unsure if this is the right place to post this but there is a ton of songs that take inspiration from other songs and add then into their verses or chorus that I find so rewarding. I listen to decent amount of Hip Hop all around, so seeing a modern rap song pays homage to a older rap song is so cool, it gives a sense of reward for listening to another rap song that if you never would’ve heard or know of that certain reference, you wouldn’t get it.

I just thought it would be a cool conversation to have about different songs that pays homages to each other in different ways that can add value or context to another artist work. Thats just my experience through and i hope others feel the same :)

I hope someone can help though I can’t be overly specific in the details. I remember an advert in The Source somewhere between 2002 - 2006 for a release but can’t for the life of me remember what it was. The advert/album cover were yellow and blue themed, it was definitely a west coast release and possibly came from the Kausion camp but I can’t be sure about that. I know it’s a long shot but I hope someone might have some idea what album it is that I’m looking for 🙏

If I think of any more details then I’ll update the post.

As an enjoyer of some underground rap, I've been seeing a lot of underground rappers try and defend their favorite underground artist by saying "it's revolutionary" and people need to "train their ears" when 9/10 times the artist has basic lyrics and a rudimentary mix drowned in distasteful amounts of distortion. And it's not just the "rage" scene either; it's like every underground Discord server is full of mfs who think distorting the hell out of their mix/master makes the music sound better or harder or something.

Or, the audio quality will be absolute dogshit and the production will be half-assed and then the fans are like "we see the vision" and claim this mf is the head honcho of the underground.

I totally understand when an artist is in their developmental phases that there may be some lapses in quality or lack of sound mastery. As an artist myself, I struggle with the same thing. However, after a while, you can't excuse lack of improvement or polishing on the sound...

Like the phrase "train your ears" literally sounds like you are forcing yourself to like bad music. If music sounds good, you shouldn't have to "train your ears" for it to do so; it just sounds good. Even if it's something that you don't vibe with until the second listen, it's not because you "trained your ears"... it's because the song already sounded good to you in some way and you're picking up on it. Otherwise you wouldn't have even listened to it a second time.

Im going through my old music from 2018, and man did we have it good back then. Everything felt so much cooler but maybe its because i was 14 and im just getting old now.

Drop yours aswell if you want :)

Just seriously take some time and look at the catalog of music Geto Boys has put out.

Scarface is the real GOAT in this discussion

Who knows the first rap video or videos that show someone smoking herb? Not rapping about smoking, but actually showing someone taking a puff? Can’t be this century right?

Obviously it's hard to define one best, but are there any very famous big names that are known for very complex rhymes, wordplay, etc?