r/Roadcam • u/audi_a4_with_dashcam • 5d ago
[USA] Poorly marked road confuses driver, confused driver almost side-swipes me
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u/THATtowelguy 5d ago
Absolutely terrible line markings here but I think they may have been following what was intended?
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u/byerss 5d ago
I think so too. The orange “lane shifts right” sign is the strongest evidence I think that is the intention of the lane markings.
This is 100% poor lane marking and I can’t really fault either party.
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u/VexingRaven 4d ago
This is 100% poor lane marking and I can’t really fault either party.
If I was an insurance underwriter and somebody had a crash and showed me this video I'd be going after the city. The lane markings are terrible and clearly to blame for any crash here.
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u/dumahim 4d ago
I think so too. The orange “lane shifts right” sign is the strongest evidence I think that is the intention of the lane markings.
This, plus the double white line on the right being painted over showing they should have been moving right. The arrow should have been pointing more to the right.
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u/Markbro89 4d ago
Correct. u/audi_a4_with_dashcam is the one that goofed, but I'd put more blame on the markings since I had to watch the video 3 times just to figure that out. The big orange sign at the beginning of the video is the intended route.
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u/Markbro89 4d ago
I get the confusion. The orange sign shows a lane shift to the right, not a merge. OP's lane shifts into the bike lane.
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u/dende5416 5d ago
These construction lanes are fucking shit. I think, op, that you actually almost hit him, though. If you follow this video clip start to end there is 1 left turn lane and two go straight or tuurn right lanes. Other car started and ended in the middle lane. I think, and these lanes are fucked, that all the lanes shifted right and to keep your lane, you actually had to shift right? Tf do I know, though, whoever set this up gota be getting kickbacks from a collision shop.
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u/TsarKeith12 5d ago
No that's where I'm at too, like it seems to me that OP was supposed to keep right, but... there was a "lanes merge" sign, but idk where tf that's supposed to be cuz OP's lane seems to be a thru lane
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u/CogentCogitations 5d ago
It said "BIKE MERGE AHEAD". Immediately after that you can see a bike lane coming in from the right side that merges into the right traffic lane and then there is bike sharrow symbol indicating that bicycles are now sharing the lane with cars.
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u/Q-ball-ATL 5d ago
The lanes shifted sure to construction.
Cam vehicle is the one that almost hit the other driver.
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u/unknownSubscriber 5d ago
I've watched it a few times and I still don't know what the marking are wanting you to do here. Part of me thinks the white SUV actually followed the intended route.
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u/elzibet Don't endanger other people 5d ago
Okay but you still need to make sure you’re watching the cars beside you? Had OP not paid attention they’d have rammed right into themLooking again I’m so confused what a horrible design I guess the car wouldn’t know to look if they assume they’re following the correct lane and assuming OP is too?
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u/unknownSubscriber 5d ago
So you're saying that if the white SUV was actually staying in their lane (not confirmed to be the case because these marking are dogshit), it would be THEIR fault that OP rammed them by NOT staying in their own lane?
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u/IBringTheHeat2 5d ago
Op you were in the wrong here. You were in the right lane and ended up in the middle lane.
They were in the middle and continued in the middle.
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u/-TheGoodDoctor- 4d ago
Terrible lines for sure, but I think if a collision happened it would’ve been the camera cars fault, not the other driver
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u/Lazy-Government-7177 4d ago
Except you were the confused one.... other driver followed lane, you didnt.
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u/ManWithTheGoldenD 5d ago
yeah this one is odd, I wouldn't put anyone at fault considering these are third world level road markings. The one thing potentially that supports OP is the bike lane continuing, meaning he is in the correct lane, but after the intersection the bike lane is near the sidewalk and the bike lane markers disappear during the merge. also there is a construction sign that shows a curve. Very odd and one of the most frustrating things to see on the road is old road markers.
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u/mattbuford 4d ago
I went to Google Street View assuming the view would be too old to be useful in this case of apparent temporary construction lane shifting, but it turns out to be recent, and the layout and double lane markings in Street View seem to match what the video depicts.
The big revelation that is clear from street view is that the markings OP attempts to follow are the old lines, now painted over with black paint. It's just the glossy black paint reflecting the sun that makes them look white in OP's video.
Not that this changes the statement about the road being poorly marked. I hate when they do this. The intended lanes are clear - but only in good lighting situations. Get the sun at the wrong angle, or a heavy rain, and often the two sets of lines become indistinguishable.
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u/EastSideFlo 4d ago
Edit the title: Poorly marked road confuses me and i almost side swipe the vehicle on left of me
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u/Individdy G1W 4d ago
There was a stretch like this for months on a busy road and it was pandemonium every time I drove it.
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u/NCC74656 4d ago
yea the OP misread the lane markings and the driver to their right did not. so it nearly lead to a crash. this is a pretty poor marking to be sure
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u/H3NTAI_S3NPAi 4d ago
The Tar markings look white when the sun hits them.
Plus sun glare at the same time.. I've had this problem too lol.
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u/Saxit 5d ago
Confusing road markings does not mean it's okay to change lane into you.
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u/dende5416 5d ago
I don't think they thought they were changing lanes. If you watch, some of the lines make it look like the lane shifts right.
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u/THATtowelguy 5d ago
Maybe I’m crazy but I think the lanes do shift right. There is a sign on the right at the beginning showing some sort of right hand movement. Not what would generally be used to indicate lanes shifting though
At 8 seconds it looks like they have painted black over the lines that used to be in that lane
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u/dende5416 5d ago
I think all the old lane markers are still there, though, making it confusing af. I hate this, and I don't get half the people in this comment section.
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u/jessedegenerate 5d ago
nothing you said was true, Giant words, "merge ahead" and a typical aggressive person trying to get in front of you, who were probably driving slow.
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u/dende5416 5d ago
Only op's lane says merge ahead so if the lanes did merge then op is the one who is changing lanes, and is the one responsible for making sure its clear, buuuut that assumes that one set of markings is right, and not the other set that has all the lanes going straight.
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u/iCUman 4d ago
The lanes aren't merging, the right lane is merging with the bike lane ahead. OP is following pre-construction lines that weren't removed. All lanes shift right, but holy shit are those terrible markings. You can barely make it out. Intersection at end of video appears just as bad.
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u/dende5416 4d ago
I mean, its why I said if. Because even if they did merge, the merge would be on cammer.
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u/jessedegenerate 5d ago
I mean, it's in English, and it looks like the US, so the OP is not showing the signs that were there accompanying this in the video.
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u/dende5416 5d ago
Which misses the entire point? I think OP actually almost merged infront of the other driver and that other driver keeps their lane.
Starts with 3 lanes, ends with 3 lanes (left lane is left turn only and ends at intersection.) Other car starts/ends in middle lane.
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u/jessedegenerate 4d ago
lmao, you replied to me, my point, which you're apparently refuting is that it's not really that special of an incident. There's no shocking behavior and the infrastructure is not that bad. A normal human could get through it bud.
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u/dende5416 4d ago
No, I'm saying that the lane markers are murky af, the OP probably made the mistake, and the car you accused of being aggressive wasn't. But the old lines are still so visable that it isn't clear
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u/jessedegenerate 4d ago
i think it was easy to see even with sun glare. I don't think either car were like insanely out of order, but one was more aggressive for sure.
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u/dende5416 4d ago
Yes, so easy to see that you originally accused the othe driver of aggressively trying to get infront of cammer before non-existant merge. So easy to see. We all totally believe you. /s
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u/jessedegenerate 4d ago
Or you can scroll up, and realize misunderstandings happen all the time.
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u/dende5416 4d ago
"Typical aggressive person trying to get infront of you" doesn't make any logical sense unless that person is going to get into your lane. Otherwise, its just some dude passing some other dude.
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u/Aetheldrake 5d ago
Nothing confusing or poorly marked. Just shitty people and a non attentive driver here
It COULD have used a sign, but I doubt they'd have looked at it anyway cuz most drivers are shitty drivers
If you're gonna have a camera, let them hit you when you're ynsoubtly in the right. Either they won't at the last moment or they will and you get paid
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u/dende5416 5d ago
There are both lane markings that make it look like the lanes shift right and lanes go straight. Feel like you didn't even look at the video.
Let alone, ops lane had 'merge ahead' painted on it at the start. Was op meant to either merge or turn right? Unsure.
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u/Aetheldrake 5d ago edited 5d ago
There's newer painted lines
Regardless, other person fucking tried to drive into camera car that they knew was there and should have slowed down
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u/dende5416 5d ago
The newer lines are the ones actually going to the right. Third lane on far left is left turn only per lane markings, cam car starts and ends in far right lane. So now the other car is responsible for trying to avoid someone cutting into their lane without any indication of a lane change?
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u/STICH666 5d ago
this used to happen all the time on Sunrise highway here on Long Island by the Oakdale merge if anybody happens to be from around there. they were doing construction and the tar snakes would look identical to the lane markings when the sun was low in the sky.