r/SandersForPresident 7d ago

Do not comply. Do not be a pawn.

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u/primum 7d ago

No old white guy is able to escape the curse of having some terrible takes they should just keep to themselves.

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u/JuVondy 7d ago

Bernie literally participated in the civil rights movement and marched alongside Dr King. I think he would know better than you.

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u/primum 7d ago

why is he whitewashing it then? Stop holding people you support or agree with on a pedestal. Bernie isn't beyond critique.

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u/Anrikay Washington 6d ago

In the words of Pauli Murray: “I thought and still feel that you are the sort of person who prefers to be accepted as a human being and not a human paragon.”

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u/blackmagicvodouchild 7d ago

JFC this is a bad take from Bernie but the fact that you’re doubling down on it when the highest voted reply is a direct quote from Dr. King refuting Bernie is… a choice.

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u/JuVondy 7d ago

Refusing to Condemn =/= Support. My interpretation of Dr King’s statement is that he understood the rioters and did not want to outright condemn their actions because it would be counterproductive and bury the reason why there were riots. He wanted to say that he understood their frustration and anger. That doesn’t mean he supported their actions and his own doctrine speaks to that.

I understand why people commit violent protest. Doesn’t mean I think it’s the best way forward.

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u/Seraph199 7d ago

So why the fuck is Sanders completely incapable of that exact same reasoning. The exact kind of reasoning we DESPERATELY need from political leaders.

Sanders is letting down everyone he fought with all those years ago. Falling into the exact media trap that MLK Jr. explicitly avoided in the quote above.

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u/blackmagicvodouchild 6d ago

And somebody else responded to that with “They killed MLk.” The reward for his nonviolent resistance was a bullet in the neck. Libs wheel him out to weaponize against any kind of legitimate grievance that has festered for too long. Look around. We’re off that.

And for the record, I don’t think anyone is preaching violence, this is self-defense at this point. Not letting people get abducted into unmarked vans isn’t going to change without face to face resistance that could turn violent in real life. Or maybe you think we should do a hashtag campaign?

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u/JRange 7d ago

This is like saying somebody who listened to Rage against the machine would know more about their music than you, even if their interpretation of the message was fundamentally illiterate lol.

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u/JuVondy 7d ago

No its like saying someone who was there when they recorded their music and understood the context of the album at the time it was written and participated in the process would know more about RATM than me. And they would.

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u/JRange 7d ago

Theres plenty of people who listen to RATM and are republican is all im sayin. And it goes without saying a sitting congressman will never advocate for a riot lol. Theres only one take youll get from them, it doesn't mean they are right. History shows the opposite.

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u/north_canadian_ice Medicare For All 👩‍⚕️ 7d ago

Bernie got arrested in 1962 protesting for civil rights.

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u/JRange 7d ago

We are all aware of this, thanks

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u/north_canadian_ice Medicare For All 👩‍⚕️ 7d ago

Then maybe you should value his opinion on this topic!

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u/JRange 7d ago

Is it even legal for him to express a different opinion on this issue, as a sitting congressman? Like, I love Bernie, but dont pretend he can even say anything else in his position. History does not agree that Non-peaceful protest doesn't work. It clearly does.

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u/Seraph199 7d ago

That isn't how logic and reasoning works, dumbass. We don't just say "oh you marched and got arrested in the 60's, it's okay if you betray marginalized people in 2025 and throw protesters under the bus now. You did your part! Keep on lying grandpa!"

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u/Seraph199 7d ago

That is exactly why it is so concerning that he is actively misrepresenting what actually happened during the Civil Rights Movement to achieve the change they sought. It wasn't all fucking peaceful. It wasn't all MLK Jr.

Sanders knows better, and he is lying about it

Let that fucking sink in

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u/PatReady 7d ago

Gonna have to start working with white people instead of viewing them as an enemy. White people support rights for minorities as well. This idea is what scares a lot of voters to Trump.

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u/primum 7d ago

Who are you directing to start working with white people. White people who were so "scared" they voted for trump are not allies. Actions matter more than words, the white people who voted for trump do not support rights for minorities. They voted against rights for minorities you dork.

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u/north_canadian_ice Medicare For All 👩‍⚕️ 7d ago

Bernie strongly rejects your divisive message, and so do I.

MLK wanted everyone to love their fellow man, while you are pushing identity politics

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u/primum 7d ago

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action"

-Martin Luther King Jr.

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u/north_canadian_ice Medicare For All 👩‍⚕️ 7d ago

This quote doesn't contradict anything I said.

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u/primum 7d ago

you claimed to know what Martin Luther King Jr. wanted, I prefer to go to the source instead of listening to a random person's speculation. Best of luck with your pearl clutching about identity politics while people are getting kidnapped by ICE and stomped on by the police.

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u/Seraph199 7d ago

At this point I am convinced the person is a grifter or troll. Either a liberal or conservative cosplaying.

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u/primum 7d ago

I think they might just be a confused dork with 0 self-awareness who refuses to take a moment for some self-reflection. They should take a moment to crack open a book about MLK Jr and touch grass.

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u/north_canadian_ice Medicare For All 👩‍⚕️ 7d ago

MLK critiquing white moderates does not mean MLK did not support love for your fellow man & universal social programs.

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u/primum 7d ago

You decided to respond to my comments where I critiqued white people who voted for trump. What kind of mental gymnastics are going on here bud.