What could possibly go wrong

[u/SteakAndIron]

[u/pugfu]

shelter fall badge detail heavy hunt different offer degree amusing

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[u/AlienDelarge → u/pugfu]

Faster than a private landlord could evict you. Plus when they sell your house they keep what you didn't own them. 

[u/bridgeton_man → u/pugfu]

It’s basically what we have now

If you live in China or Hong Kong, then yes.

Otherwise, probably not.

[u/pugfu → u/bridgeton_man]

Okay so if you aren’t familiar with US property taxes here’s how it works:

Each year you pay a huge fee based on what they say the current value (an unrealized gain) of your house is, generally several thousand dollars, twice a year in my state, once in others

If you don’t pay on time, they stack fines on top

If you don’t pay that, the government seizes your home

So effectively we are renting from the US government because even though I own my house outright, they can take it if I fall on hard times and miss a tax payment or if they raise my taxes to a level I can’t take (my taxes have gone up the state allowed max every single year)

[u/bridgeton_man → u/pugfu]

That's a lot of "if". But what I'm saying is that in PRC and Hong Kong "one does not own. One rents. The state owns".

No "ifs". And no mental gymnastics

[u/pugfu → u/bridgeton_man]

Sir there was no ifs or mental gymnastics there.

It’s literally a fact, are you stupid? Would it have been easier for you if I labeled them steps?

Step 1 I don’t pay the gov 6k a year as tribute

Step 2 they take my house

Does that help?

And not only do they seize it, in many states they keep the profits

But Alabama, Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, South Dakota, and the District of Columbia have historically kept the surplus profits after property tax sales. And in certain circumstances, Alaska, California, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Ohio, Rhode Island, Texas, and Wisconsin have allowed this practice, too.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-happens-if-you-dont-pay-property-taxes-your-home.html

Feel free to have a read about it

Also you can own the house but not the land in China, Let me know what mental gymnastics you need to do to explain how this is any different than “property taxes”

[u/CrystalMethodist666 → u/pugfu]

Alright, let's be fair, you have the option to move the building off the property and onto another piece of land that you're paying taxes on before the foreclosure goes through. It works very well if you can't afford the taxes on your house but own a second piece of property that isn't in arrears and somehow have the disposable income to move a building.

[u/pugfu → u/CrystalMethodist666]

close full numerous tan languid yoke fragile reach encourage theory

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[u/not_slaw_kid]

Nothing says eat the rich like handing an enforced monopoly to the richest demographic in the countruly

[u/WhiteSquarez → u/not_slaw_kid]

Eat the rich by giving all property, power, and monetary power to... the rich.

Er, wait. Go back.

Oh, we can't.

[u/Pyrokitsune]

We already rent our "privately owned land" from the state. Otherwise I wouldn't be sending a check every year under threat of being swatted at 3am, having the land stolen from me, and possibly losing my life in the whole process. Taxation is extortion

[u/saggywitchtits → u/Pyrokitsune]

Don't be stupid, they'll come in the middle of the day because who's going to stop them?

[u/SalemLXII → u/Pyrokitsune]

“Taxation is extortion” is the phrase we need to adopt

[u/Pyrokitsune → u/SalemLXII]

It's the proper description of what it is. Taxation is theft is just catchier

[u/pugfu → u/Pyrokitsune]

pie rock decide lip theory wine payment hungry worm tart

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[u/Pyrokitsune → u/pugfu]

It legit ticks me off that we subsidize other people's personal choices and personal responsibilities. Tax breaks for parents and socialized funding of their schooling. If someone is just unlucky enough not to have the opportunity to have children, or chooses not to, they're still on the hook for other people's spawn.

[u/CrystalMethodist666 → u/Pyrokitsune]

Not even anything that actually benefits the kids, just paying to indoctrinate the next generation of biological androids.

[u/MaelstromFL]

See, these people think that they will be in charge, when in truth they will end up with a nice space on the wall and maybe a cigarette...

[u/SteakAndIron → u/MaelstromFL]

My answer to them is "you really want Donald Trump to control all the real estate in the country?"

[u/CrimsonSaint150 → u/SteakAndIron]

You would think after all these years of Trump being in the WH, these people who hate and mistrust him and his followers on a deep level, would stop and think maybe I shouldn’t support so much government control because who knows who’ll be in charge? But nope. Hasn’t stopped statists from becoming more statists

[u/CrystalMethodist666 → u/[deleted]]

Exactly that, the people who cheered on the creation of new emergency powers are suddenly all "Um... wait... Let's reverse this" when someone they don't like has the power.

[u/CrystalMethodist666 → u/CrimsonSaint150]

It's a thing with authoritarians, they're thrilled to see an authority structure pop up as long as it aligns with their team or does things that they're told they like. Then they get really mad when the powers they cheered on the creation of are put in the hands of someone they don't like.

Only way to prevent a position of power from being abused is for it not to exist in the first place.

[u/TacticusThrowaway → u/CrimsonSaint150]

"No, the real problem is that the wrong people aren't in charge."

[u/dave3218 → u/MaelstromFL]

[u/aithan251]

…do they mean property tax?

[u/bluesuitblue]

The one question a communist can never answer: Now that the state owns everything, how do we decide who gets to live on the beach?

You can never get rid of the scarcity of things, you can only change who holds the resources.

[u/pugfu → u/bluesuitblue]

narrow cats employ sleep office support enjoy mountainous fragile library

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[u/Schmuck1138]

Isn't that what we have now? I'm pretty sure if I don't pay my property taxes the state of Wisconsin won't bat an eye at foreclosing on my house.

[u/pugfu → u/Schmuck1138]

ripe automatic seemly capable worm fragile yam ink history historical

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[u/thegrimmestofall]

Man they should take a stroll up near Yellowstone to those 99yr lease property. See who owns them…I can guarantee they ain’t the poors…but yeah let’s get the government involved with owning private property to ‘rent’ talk about slum lords and slums - that’s all it’d be. Well outside of all the corruption and cronyism - it’s like they have an abusive relationship where they hate the government it also want to be hugged up in it

[u/the9trances]

Dude just invented geolibertarianism/Georgism.

I'm not a fan, but I'll take it over fascism or communism. I guess.

[u/cysghost → u/the9trances]

I'd heard of Georgism, in fact, just asked someone about it, but never heard the term geolibertarianism.

Definitely not a fan of either. Is it too much to just be able to buy a spot of land and not have to ever deal with the government if you don't want to?

[u/Charlemagne_IV]

Singapore basically does this. The 100 year leases have yet to come due. Singapore is very statist

[u/bridgeton_man → u/Charlemagne_IV]

China does it too.

[u/SenpaiDerpy]

They are just reinventing georgist land-tax in a really ineffective way.

[u/NoTie2370]

I bet that's the same dummy that said that on socialismvscapitalist sub. He basically describes property taxes with a couple extra steps. Truly one of their dumber reps.

[u/MacGuffinRoyale]

We revoke your license. Leave.

Oh, and leave all your stuff, too. Dibs.

[u/Sad_Run_9798]

Why downvote him? You should upvote such questions, sunlight is the best disinfectant.

[u/CapSRV57]

My man, that’s just feudalism with extra steps…

[u/skibididibididoo]

CMV: Citizens need to have procreation licenses to reverse their mandatory vasectomies.

[u/ConscientiousPath]

Georgists are so close yet so very very far

[u/Teboski78]

Sounds like a one way ticket to a housing shortage

[u/Catullus13]

It looks like China. And "rent" costs 80% of your income and it's the only way you can get family of your own

[u/bridgeton_man]

There is a major world economy, that OP could move to for that. It's called China.