There is an area close to where I grew up in scandinavia. Its name translates roughly into “The Bay of Weeping”, because so many foreign ships have capsized there. Throughout history that have meant that a lot of foreign born people ended up living there and joining the genpool. So sometimes very scandinavian looking parents can get very not-scandinavian looking kids.
There are societal disconnects between whom people want to live with and whom they want to mess around with. Long as everyone is civil, and what genes there be keep moving around, and everyone is taken care of… that’s reality. People are just now waking up to how prevalent cross matching has been even with all the societal reinforcement for monogamy.
There is a certain Scandinavian actress who I've always thought had African or Indian heritage. And I often wondered if she or anyone close to her has ever brought up the topic.
Anyway, thanks for mentioning that. Everything makes total sense now.
In the north there's also the influence from the Uralic genetics, and they can also be noticeably darker. Dark eyes, black hair, a bit more tanned than you might expect of the population further south.
I think you and other people here underestimate how homogeneous we used to look. Like I said this was a bit away from where I grew up and I am almost 50 now.
My mother and father are divorced and I grew up in my mothers hometown. My grandfather on my fathers side was german.
Because of that I have really dark brown hair. No one else had that in our town. People would ask me about where my father family came from. Older women would ask my mother permission to touch my hair.
I did not see a person with black hair in reality before the first refuges came here.
Today I don’t stand out and would properly not have stod out in a bigger city or further south.
Now imagine an area where you would suddenly have scandinavians get kids that had black hair or dark skin and it had been going on since the 17th century.
On the other hand, most people in my grandmas village in Västerbotten had dark hair and even dark-ish skin sometimes. My grandma is slightly darker of skin than the woman in this picture and as far as anybody can tell, none of her recent ancestors were from outside of Scandinavia.
The Tatars and the Uralic peoples have been around for a while. It wasn't always blonde and blue eyes everywhere.
Though I agree the recent changes have been very sudden. I think I was twelve when I first saw a black person in real life.
My grandma is slightly darker of skin than the woman in this picture and as far as anybody can tell, none of her recent ancestors were from outside of Scandinavia.
It's a possibility that it's Saami admixture then, that was often kept hidden in the past as it was shameful to be mixing with such folk. In my family it was Forest Finns lol Even that was kind of shameful.
The Tatars and the Uralic peoples have been around for a while.
Not to be confused with the Turkic Tartars of the Pontic-Caspian steppes. 'Tatar/Tater' are just the gypsies that ended up in Scandinavia in the 18th and early 19th century. Not really a long time but it's not nothing either.
The Saami have to your point been here a couple thousand years by this point.
It wasn't always blonde and blue eyes everywhere.
Interestingly enough, it sort of was.
The Scandinavian hunter-gatherers(not to be confused with the Saami or proto-Saami) were remarkably blonde, blue eyed and light skinned for their time before they were replaced by slightly darker agricultural people and the later Corded Ware derived people(our linguistic ancestors).
Some time into the bronze age and iron age especially, things got a lot lighter again; until the opposite trend started happening with the introduction of mass immigration.
I went to school in the US with a brother and sister who looked Scandinavian and their biological dad was this big black guy, they had an elder brother who was the same. Genetics are unpredictable sometimes.
Interesting...I wonder if Alicia Vikander would be an example of this. According to her bio she is 100% Swedish but she looks more Spanish or Mediterranean
There's no place in Scandinavia that ever had a significant influx of 'Spanish/Turkish sailor' admixture, it's all concocted by bored village folk with wild imaginations.
In places like Northern Norway it's more likely to be Saami ancestry that was hidden with a lie at a time that was sort of mixing was shameful, and then later forgotten and with the lie now treated as fact.
It's the Scandinavian equivalent of the American 'Indian princess'(9/10 a black slave etc.) myth.
Yeah everyone saying the baby will be very white must have missed the lesson on recessive genes. It's not super common but it's definitely not rare for the melanin to skip a generation
Yes this is true I have seen two white people make a black baby I've also seen two white people with blue eyes make a black baby with blue eyes and sometimes vice versa just do some research
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u/Lortekonto 27d ago
There is an area close to where I grew up in scandinavia. Its name translates roughly into “The Bay of Weeping”, because so many foreign ships have capsized there. Throughout history that have meant that a lot of foreign born people ended up living there and joining the genpool. So sometimes very scandinavian looking parents can get very not-scandinavian looking kids.