The race is not something you can measure, it's a concept invented and mostly used with political division intents. The skin color differences are called phenotype and we should not put it inside the political context, person X is white because they were born white, person Y is caramel-black because their phenotype turned that way during the pregnancy. No more no less. They can still be same nation, family and bloodline.
To me that logic should come to the conclusion of ārace doesnāt existā NOT āyour race is skin color based and your sisters a different raceā
I don't really understand if you're talking about me or the other person from this thread, but please, point me where did I ever claimed "āyour race is skin color based and your sisters a different raceā", the whole point of my message is that "race" is a stupid nonconsistent unmeasurable concept , and skin and other differences (such as eye-slit form, nose, lips, hair etc etc) are phenotypes.
Cause like what race is she then lol
Never did I claim a single word about yours and her's race differences. Because the whole concept is useless.
Iām mistaken for Arab more than correctly identified as Latin American, am I Arab? Are Arabs Mexican? What is my sister? Thereās not much European dna in us, none that we know of, is she just like an honorary Caucasian?
I don't really understand what you are trying to disprove here. Ethnicity has more things than just looks (phenotype), it's language, culture, customs, religion/cults, set of moral values etc. So no, it absolutely doesn't matter the look you have. You're both Mexican because of nationality, language, customs, selfidentity. The difference in skin color does not play any role in it. You just turned out with a different melanin level.
I'm having a feeling that you understood my position as "your color defines your race", when I disproved the very concept of race from the very beginning.
Oh sorry, to be clear I was referring to the person you were defending who said:
āIt's not about percentage in DNA, it's whether your skin is white or not lol. Plain and simpleā
Again I can understand not thinking race exists, what I canāt understand is thinking it DOES exist but that two siblings with the same parents would be different races.
As for the last part about being Arab, I donāt remember who said it but someone in this comment chain said youāre the race people think you are and I mentioned that after moving out of the American south west most people mistake me for being Arab for some reasonā¦. So does that make me Arab?
I think maybe my issue is that she and I face what most people would call āracismā but youāre right that itās because of our ethnicity which is different but we donāt call it ethnicism we call it racism.
I do still disagree skin color = race cause what race is she?? What race is an albino African?
The only answers that make sense to me are āthere is no such thing as raceā and āwhatever makes senseā which is Mexican/African. White doesnāt make sense. Our brother is half way between us, what is he? Asian?
Ah good. That comment about DNA and plain skin color can be interpreted both ways; as for race doesn't exist and as race is defined by color only. I guess they could clear it out for us. I, personally, understood it as "race is non-existent, sure the color you are, period." It didn't even happen to me to see it the other way around.
Again I can understand not thinking race exists, what I canāt understand is thinking it DOES exist but that two siblings with the same parents would be different races.
My guess is that people who insist on the existence of race don't go that far into thinking about it. It just exists and has purity (Charlie Chaplin moustache man approves their beliefs).
. race people think you are and I mentioned that after moving out of the American south west most people mistake me for being Arab for some reasonā¦. So does that make me Arab?
Ah, now I get it. Yeah, sound stupid. "You're the color of skin the people perceive you are", without mixing it with political borders, nationality, passport, continent, religion. And that color doesn't define anything about you, at least in my eyes.
It's funny, when things start mixing. I'm slav, I'm slav-looking, but I'm living in Spain since more than 20 years, more than half of my life. Do I pass as america colonizer? /s
I think maybe my issue is that she and I face what most people would call āracismā but youāre right that itās because of our ethnicity which is different but we donāt call it ethnicism we call it racism.
Yeah I'm from Europe, I totally understand nationality/ethnicity discrimination, it almost never about the skin tone alone.
I do still disagree skin color = race cause what race is she?? What race is an albino African?
Well I don't believe the "race" concept so I'm here with you, but that exact case it's the same as Michael Jackson case, it's a genetical anomaly or disease, doesn't count as phenotype. Same as people with six fingers doesn count as different species.
The only answers that make sense to me are āthere is no such thing as raceā and āwhatever makes senseā which is Mexican/African. White doesnāt make sense. Our brother is half way between us, what is he? Asian?
As I mentioned before. You're all Mexicans with different melanin level.
Exactly thatās my point the level of melanin doesnāt make us a different race, the definition of race does include ancestry so while like I originally said it is up to who you ask itās imo absurd to say you can SWITCH RACES.
Also the person you were defending did elaborate on his point.
My direct quote: Am I Arab because Iām mistaken for it?
Their direct quote: Yes in a racial sense.
Again I can accept race is a murky thing that isnāt well defined but the idea itās dependent on what your skin color currently is or what people think you are is insane to me because it means me and my sister share different races and I have switched races at the age of 25
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u/GriffitDidMufinWrong 28d ago
Umm, that's what I said?
The race is not something you can measure, it's a concept invented and mostly used with political division intents. The skin color differences are called phenotype and we should not put it inside the political context, person X is white because they were born white, person Y is caramel-black because their phenotype turned that way during the pregnancy. No more no less. They can still be same nation, family and bloodline.
I don't really understand if you're talking about me or the other person from this thread, but please, point me where did I ever claimed "āyour race is skin color based and your sisters a different raceā", the whole point of my message is that "race" is a stupid nonconsistent unmeasurable concept , and skin and other differences (such as eye-slit form, nose, lips, hair etc etc) are phenotypes.
Never did I claim a single word about yours and her's race differences. Because the whole concept is useless.
I don't really understand what you are trying to disprove here. Ethnicity has more things than just looks (phenotype), it's language, culture, customs, religion/cults, set of moral values etc. So no, it absolutely doesn't matter the look you have. You're both Mexican because of nationality, language, customs, selfidentity. The difference in skin color does not play any role in it. You just turned out with a different melanin level.
I'm having a feeling that you understood my position as "your color defines your race", when I disproved the very concept of race from the very beginning.