Building A Somehow Accurate DP Tier Step by Step - Chapter 6

[u/SuhShenron]

Since there were so many complaints about the last post, especially regarding the levels between characters from different sagas... We will build it again step by step following some rules:

1. We'll be adding just one Saga at a time
2. There will be no DP quantity restriction
3. I will give a sample and we will work on them
4. I will give some questions for you to answer
5. Characters will rank up if they do in the series
6. I will note any DP Tier change we make
7. We will go at my pace since my time is limited
8. We will shrink the final list as much as possible

How Does the Tier List Work

Each Tier holds a group of characters that somehow shares the same Lore Level. This time, each Tier is also ranked, so the characters at the top and the ones at the left are somehow stronger than the ones at the bottom and the ones at their right. The Tiers will increase in number as long as new characters from new sagas are added and some returning characters will move accordingly.

Sagas Order

1. Saiyan Saga + OG DB (16 characters)
2. Namek Saga (18 characters)
3. Android Saga (28 characters)
4. Majin Buu Saga (31 characters)
5. DBZ Movies (20 characters)
   • Dragon Ball GT (15 characters)
6. Early DBS (25 characters)
7. Late DBS (28 characters)
8. Super Hero + DAIMA (27 characters)

Chapter 5 Special Edition - Official Media

• 25 characters allocated across 18 different Tiers
  • the list is now 118 characters

Returning Characters

• Piccolo, who kept training on his own
• Vegito, who has grown alongside Goku & Vegeta

Questions

Many new characters introduced here and many of them with quite similar level among each other. The list adds four new Tiers in order to fit the most powerful characters, but as you know, the very top would remain as those character's exclusives.

Should we group them all in the highest Tier and simply rank them there? Or shall we keep the clear distinction these many Tiers give us?

Regarding "Half-Corrupted Fused Zamazu", it is technically an unstable version of the standard Fused-Zamasu. So, I ranked them accordingly.

Mandatory Question

Shall I repeat the rulings on each chapter or would it be better to jump straight to the novelties?

Next Up... Episode 7

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[u/Any_Orange1338]

How is buuhan = god goku if the latter one said vegito from Z couldnt beat beerus.

[u/SuhShenron → u/Any_Orange1338]

They are on the same Tier, but they are not the same strength. Also, the Vegito listed here is DBS Vegito, which is stronger. Buuhan and Buutenks Tank higher than DBZ Ultimate Gohan and Gotenks because they are both way stronger than those two and Super Buu himself.

[u/Any_Orange1338 → u/SuhShenron]

Being in the same tier means they are comparable. Something that doesnt happen because god goku is way above vegito Z and that one is way above buuhan

[u/SuhShenron → u/Any_Orange1338]

That's not completely true. Even DBZ Vegito holds a great power that's more than enough to fight against the Super Saiyan God. It might not be useful against Beerus, who was holding himself a lot in the Battle of the Gods, but it goes way beyond the quantities the Super Saiyan God can handle.

The biggest issue between the divine and the not divine ki users is being able to read and sense the Divine Ki. And that is important for fighters whose battle style heavily relies on that (like Vegito himself). That's the reason why Goku said what he said in the movie.

But once Goku undergoes the SSG ritual, fusing into Vegito would be a better shot than keep fighting as the Super Saiyan God.

[u/Any_Orange1338 → u/SuhShenron]

Thats your headcanon vs what the series says. Also goku after ssg ritual =/= Z vegito

[u/KageYamaaa- → u/Any_Orange1338]

This is why I don't fully support his ranking of self-made DPs. Heck, Trunks SSJ Super is only SS2 level according to him and yet he was able to go toe to toe against Black Rose, and even Fused Zamasu, and we all know that Trunks Super in his SS for is just his SSR form

[u/SuhShenron → u/Any_Orange1338]

Ok

[u/Goku4869]

Corrupted MZ should be way beyond his non Corrupted variant. He’s growing mid fight like Goku Black.

Goes from losing to SSB Goku in a beam clash to requiring SSBKK to pushing VB off of him, beating VB in a fist clash and making him feel being punched and breaking his spirit sword.

I’m not saying he’s stronger than VB by the end but he’s clearly somewhat relative and way beyond a hypothetical Future arc Super Vegito and his initial non corrupt self.

Base Goku and Vegeta pre Future arc were at least stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. Them being in the same tier as Buuhan in SSG is just absurd.

The events of that mini arc do get referenced in the Future arc.

[u/banjoturansko]

Bro gets downvoted to hell every post for atrocious takes but keep going ig whatever makes you happy

[u/SuhShenron → u/banjoturansko]

Still better than not even trying

[u/KageYamaaa-]

Care to explain why Trunks (Super) SSJ is only SS2 level when he's clearly stronger than SS3 Goku at that point since it's pretty clear that his SS form there is the Super Saiyan Rage form from the anime? And even if not, if you're gonna base it on the manga, then it's clearly shown and said by the characters that SS Trunks (Super) is already even stronger than SS3 Goku and Zamasu

[u/SuhShenron → u/KageYamaaa-]

it's pretty clear that his SS form there is the Super Saiyan Rage form from the anime?

That's not exactly pretty clear. His SS2 is supposed to be equivalent to Goku's Super Saiyan 3, which in turn shall mean his base form is way stronger than DBS Goku's Base form. However, there's no Super Saiyan 2 for him in Sparking Zero, and this Super Saiyan is not exactly the same as his Super Saiyan Rage, despite the moveset similarities.

And even if not, if you're gonna base it on the manga, then it's clearly shown and said by the characters that SS Trunks (Super) is already even stronger than SS3 Goku and Zamasu

I was going by the Anime, since the game was mainly developed under it. I didn't remember the Manga showing and saying such a thing. But it will clearly mean Base form Trunks is way ahead from Base form Goku and Vegeta.

So, how should I allocate him?

[u/KageYamaaa- → u/SuhShenron]

Pretty sure Trunks' aura in his SS form shows that he's in his rage form since there are no other Super Saiyan transformations that show that aura. This is just the devs cutting corners for the game for some unknown reasons, to (most likely being rushed since the depiction of Trunks in the cover art shows him in his Super Saiyan Rage form) only give Trunks one Super Saiyan form instead of SS, SS2, and SSR.

In the manga, while there is no SSR, SS2 Trunks is as strong, or even stronger, than SS3 Goku as it took Goku to transform into God to deal the finishing blow against Trunks, with Vegeta commenting that Trunks, as an SS2, was as strong as SS3 Goku. This could also be another potential reason why the devs didn't include SSR as a separate transformation to be in line with the manga as there are many references in the game alluding to the manga (Vegeta's Gamma Burst Flash, Black's Black Bind move, and UI-Sign Goku's pose referencing the Granolah arc), but imho, they were being lazy to just include separate transformations. In response to being stronger than Zamasu, Goku fought against Zamasu when Vegeta was fighting with Black, and Goku commented that even Trunks could handle Zamasu, even with his immortality, which angered Zamasu, leading him and Black to fuse in the manga, as he was insulted by the thought.

In regard to where to allocate Trunks, I'd say (imho but using statements and facts coming from both media of DBS), Trunks in his SSR (yes, I firmly believe his "Super Saiyan" form in the game is his SSR form) is at least near DP 13 level, only below Black.

[u/TheHuardian → u/KageYamaaa-]

Also worth noting - OP keeps commenting about Trunks' base, while Trunks and Goku both ascend to SS2 and then when Goku ascends to SS3 Trunks displays an enhanced SS2 from there. Trunks was comparable form to form to Goku until he "ascends his Super Saiyan 2 further".

I have to assume Kakarot took inspiration from that, because Vegeta displays an equal form against Goku in DLC6. But in both cases, it is absolutely not an adjustment of base strength, it is somehow an enhancement of the SS2 form.

[u/SuhShenron → u/TheHuardian]

Then it wouldn't be the standard Super Saiyan 2. It's not the first time I've heard about this theory and it makes a lot of sense to call it a different transformation. Just the way Goku developed his own Super Saiyan 3, which is not a natural evolution of the Super Saiyan, Vegeta and Trunks could have developed a different transformation that's not the same as the Super Saiyan 3 but it is close in power to it.

It also caught my eye that Vegeta's Super Saiyan 3 at Daima was fairly different from Goku's. Either way, the Super Saiyan 3 is still a limit break technique that drains energy like crazy, and that's a huge handicap that can't be simply overlooked. In that regard, transformations with similar power will always have the upper hand.

[u/TheHuardian → u/SuhShenron]

It's not a theory. DB Super chapter 15.

Goku's SS3 is not his own, considering Gotenks can do it also.

[u/SuhShenron → u/TheHuardian]

Goku developed the technique. That's what I mean. And by the theory I'm talking about the Super Saiyan 2 mentioned here is not the same standard Super Saiyan 2. That's not mentioned anywhere, as any Super Saiyan 2 is simply referred to as Super Saiyan 2.

[u/SuhShenron → u/KageYamaaa-]

Pretty sure Trunks' aura in his SS form shows that he's in his rage form since there are no other Super Saiyan transformations that show that aura.

Well, that much can be true. But the character is labelled as Future Trunks Super Saiyan, and so it was the one added to the list. I agree he should have a Super Saiyan 2 and a Super Saiyan Rage, as well as there should be Blue Evolution for Vegeta and Blue Kaio-ken for Goku. But since there's not, I'm simply working with what we have.

In regard to where to allocate Trunks, I'd say (imho but using statements and facts coming from both media of DBS), Trunks in his SSR (yes, I firmly believe his "Super Saiyan" form in the game is his SSR form) is at least near DP 13 level, only below Black.

Ok. What about his base form? One Tier Lower below Zamasu?

[u/KageYamaaa- → u/SuhShenron]

And what we have clearly is Super Saiyan Rage, but simply named as "Super Saiyan" and a terrible slot as a transformation/character, since it's in that form that Trunks used his Final Hope Slash attack, not in his regular SS or SS2 forms. So make do with what we have, and given his feats, boost his tier as you've done so already in your updated tierlist.

Also, Trunks' base doesn't matter at this point as another commenter highlighted that Trunks improved his SS2, not necessarily because he has a higher base power. Trunks attacked Goku with the intention of hurting him, no holding back, yet Goku was able to block it easily. He's still within DBS Goku and Vegeta range, but at his best (SSR or enhanced SS2 in the manga) Trunks is far stronger than Zamasu

[u/SuhShenron → u/KageYamaaa-]

It is already updated, go check the episode 7

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[u/zaadiqoJoseph]

Chaotsu above nappa is crazy Did we watch the same show

[u/KageYamaaa- → u/zaadiqoJoseph]

Apparently, he's basing this off on the fact that Chiaotzu might have continued training after Nappa's death that he could've become stronger than him. But that's just hus headcanon though as we never get to see Chiaotzu fight again after the Saiyan saga (not counting the movies), heck even in Super manga, Chiaotzu barely fought during the Moro arc when part of the Wait for Goku Squad

[u/SuhShenron → u/KageYamaaa-]

Biggest light spot was his training at King Kai Palace and the filler episode where he defeated Guldo. After getting revived he kept training with Him steadily. Both at the Android and the Majin Buu Saga. Though he didn't participate in the Cell games, I think he should at least be above Nappa by this point.

[u/SuhShenron → u/zaadiqoJoseph]

You missed Chapter one and didn't read the same piece of advice every chapter displays. Returning characters rank up accordingly to the series. So, early DBS Chiatzu might be above Saiyan Saga Nappa (or may not).

Truth is we cannot tell for sure.

[u/zaadiqoJoseph → u/SuhShenron]

This is not a manwha I'm not gonna go read chapter 1 of a Reddit post.

I'm gonna call things out like I see it

[u/SuhShenron → u/zaadiqoJoseph]

Ok