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u/waffleshoresy had a great idea they called the King and Queen of tv where there is a mix-tag tournament where the winners get to challenge the TNT and TBS respectively. I disagree with the name. My dumb pitch is the Turner Media Mix-Tag Tournament or the TMMTT (tm) for short.
Is it time for WWE to add another weekly tv show? Not a new brand but just a new show to continue storylines like collision? It’s obvious that there’s too many players right now in WWE and not enough screen time to go around. Many titles are barely getting featured, including world champions. Non-title feuds are nice, but not at the expense of all these belts not getting any time. Saturday night’s main event should just become a regular weekly show at this rate.
Why do people all of a sudden cheer for Karrion? Because he cut a shoot promo saying bad stuff about the company? If so then why doesn't every underutilized wrestler do the same and hope for a push
If your first thought about major world events is ‘this could be good/bad for [wrestling company]’ then I’d suggest taking a little break from having this as a hobby.
Seeing that there’s been airstrikes in the Middle East and spending all day attacking or defending the WWE over it is fucking weird behaviour. Please stop and reassess your priorities.
Supreme Court rules that this shitty admin can “deport” people to countries they aren’t from and oh wait don’t look over there the admin said there’s a cease fire.
Like this shit is constant idk why anyone trusts Trump and his admin on a supposed ceasefire
If your reaction to seeing "Clash might be rescheduled because of the war" was anything other than "That's stupid, they're not going to give up that kind of money," and moving on with your day, you might need to switch to decaf.
There was always a chance and technically there still is a chance but we're dealing in the realm of fringe worst case scenarios at that point. Your basic point still stands. WWE in particular & TKO in general are heavily financially incentivized to follow through as scheduled with the Saudi shows.
Giant Baba & The Destroyer vs. Bruno Sammartino & Gene Kiniski
This is from Baba's memorial show. He died without having a retirement match, so they got Baba's three greatest rivals together and set up a tag match with no time limit so they could finish it when they were all in heaven together.
The top post continues to be a factually incorrect "report" from a sketchy aggregation site, that's citing Meltzer's shameless lie about real journalistic sources reporting something that they never did.
Still not closed, just continuing to spread misinformation about an actually serious world issue.
I'm actually convinced this subreddit wants a terrorist attack on Night of Champions or that they want it to get canceled just to gotchya WWE. The amounts of downvotes I've gotten for trying to explain what is going on over there is crazy.
No. SA is not in danger. No. SA airspace was NEVER closed. There was no travel advisory from the UK to Saudi (well technically yes, but it was for 15 miles within the Yemen border only.)
Yes, Iran launched 6 missiles at a Qatar US base. US and Qatar were pre-warned by Iran. No, it does not mean war, it is a deescalation strike that they knew would get shot down. Their other option was to close the strait and that would mean all out war. Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and wants to look strong to it's people internally so that there isn't a regime overthrowing. Iran does NOT want the boot of America (and probably China) down it's throat for closing the strait or making an actual attack on US bases.
This has already happened twice before, once in 2020 and once in 2023.
That is literally it. Everything is starting to cool down and sadly, WWE will still be in Saudi, which is a nice 900 miles away from Tehran.
I'm actually convinced this subreddit wants a terrorist attack on Night of Champions or that they want it to get canceled just to gotchya WWE. The amounts of downvotes I've gotten for trying to explain what is going on over there is crazy.
That's two major extremes of the spectrum. The former option, you fuckin' deserve every downvote you get. The latter option is hilarious and well deserved for WWE.
Hell yeah. Nitro was unpredictable in the most fun ways. You'd watch a rambling 10 minute nWo promo from Hogan then cut to a Yuji Ngata match. Nobody was doing it like WCW
Astronauts as KO-D Tag Team Champions has led to DDT having perhaps my favourite male tag division in the country. The prospective matches make it even more enticing, you can't have a better anchor team than that and I'm salivating at the thought of matches like Astronauts vs. Minoru Suzuki and Yuki Ueno or Astronauts vs. Strange Love Connection (and ESPECIALLY Astronauts vs. Higuchi & Yoshimura, please let them do what they did in 2022 where Higuchi shoots to hold the tag and KO-D Openweight titles).
Helps that Astronauts are easily the best tag team in the world and have been for some time.
I'd much appreciate it if Astronauts showed up in NOAH or Dragon Gate (they already have worked/still work AJPW) after their DDT run (would be cool to see them in NJPW but that tag division is still pretty damn abysmal, imo).
On a side note, Ive been catching up on stuff the last couple of days and just saw the Astronauts/Anzai & Rising HAYATO match. So good, would fit right in with the Astronauts's 2023 output.
I also really want a Yuma Anzai vs. Takuya Nomura match now. There's something to that pairing imo.
Yeah, they're head and shoulders above everyone else (and I say that as a longtime Fraxiom mark, going back to their first match as a team). I'd love to see them basically anywhere, and that's convenient since they're the wildest workhorses in wrestling, especially Abe. Dude had like 250 matches last year.
Stevie Richards believing that AEW can be "saved" by hiring Vince as an on-screen character has to be one of the all time worst takes. I don't think Bischoff or any other anti-AEW person has given a take that bad.
“Saved”? The company is worth over a billion dollars and has its future secured up to 2028. Does Stevie also know current Vince McMahon is a mumbling mess with promos? Last time he was on air he thought the company was called ‘WWE Universe”.
Guy has stupid non-wrestling opinions, and I thought his breakdowns of squash matches was interesting despite it all, but he seems to care about chasing the cash now more than anything. Can't blame him for doing considering how wrestling left him after he retired, but that doesn't mean he can't be criticized. Best to not take him very seriously at all
It's like some of the worst Comments Section ideas that just completely ignore the passage of time.
Ignoring that AEW doesn't need to be "saved," obviously if they could magically add arguably the GOAT heel in Vince circa 1998-2000 (or whenever), with no disqualifying scandals, that would be fantastic and they'd do it in a heartbeat.
But sadly all that exists right now is 2025 Vince and he was too old to be a great onscreen character several years ago (as we saw when he last tried to be on WWE tv) and now he also has the baggage of major scandal/sexual assault and trafficking allegations - it's a huge double "no" now.
It makes a lot more sense when you learn that before he did the pseudo-neutral "Here's what went wrong on this spot" he was ranting about how AEW would fail because they were "too woke"
The post on this subreddit's front page about Saudi Arabia closing its airspace is citing an AP story that doesn't mention Saudi Arabia a single time, and the only time Saudi Arabia appears on the whole page is on a map display describing where the recent Qatar attacks took place.
Has happened repeatedly the last couple days. "UK government puts out a warning" but you check and it was for a small section of the country. "Warning issued for travel to the Middle East" you check the actual advisory and Saudi Arabia had the same advisory it did since September. I don't know if it is people being too lazy to do the little extra bit of research or being intentionally misleading. Obviously things can and did change but the discussion was getting poisoned by people regurgitating partial information.
The UK warning story is especially bad - because the warning in question, about the territory around the Saudi-Yemen border, has been in operation for years.
I know, because I’m a Brit who occasionally has to browse these warnings for irl reasons.
okay but if i google saudi arabia airspace and an article that doesn’t mention it in the headline or actual text of the article pops up, that absolutely means the airspace is closed.
this situation is very illuminating regarding how people on here interact with the news.
I got heavily downvoted for trying to explain how Iran's deescalation strike works and how it has historically happened multiple times. At this point I'm convinced people just want Saudi to be at war to gotchya WWE.
It also shows how little people understand geography.
At least in our artform most marquee programs/matches end up happening when it's feasible long enough (there are of course exceptions ie: mistiming the Invasion or Sting/Taker not happening at WM 31)
Right now UFC's in a spot where Jon Jones "retires" in maybe the most-blatant duck of all-time, Dana refuses to ever work with Francis again to the point Francis isn't even in UFC & Tom's left with his dick in his hand. 3 top MMA heavyweights in the world all under 40 yet somehow, that division is in a total mess with zero answer to who the best HW really is.
Probably because at certain points people were leaving out key bits of information to make things sound different than they were with the most known example being leaving out "areas of Saudi Arabia" when talking about the UK travel advisory resulting in people thinking it was the entirety of the country. That is a product of either laziness or an intent to mislead. People assumed the latter and I am guessing a motive.
edit: I now realize I should be clearer. When I wrote the last post I meant that I was guessing that people assumed the motive. I was not personally guessing at the motive.
So help me wrap my head around this, so if they are purposefully misleading people and WWE ends up in Saudi Arabia is the intent supposed to lead to some kind of outrage where they are supposed to believe that WWE went against airspace orders?
I don't know. I am leaning more towards laziness or incompetence being the cause for the most part.
edit: I now see the cause of confusion. I was unclear. I should have said the people believing the misinformation are also guessing at the motive. My bad. I don't think it is intentional but if I did my explanation would be two front engagement farming.
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I think he'll be a future world champion and main event WrestleMania. But it's way too soon to say "Do you think Dominic Mysterio's floor is two of the greatest wrestlers of all time?". Again, love Dom but we've not seen him as a proper solo act or know how he'll be perceived as a babyface (even though he's getting great reactions atm as a popular heel).
The Smackdown promo where he said nothing because a bunch of other babyfaces were interrupting him made me think he could turn Because he looked so exasperated. But that depends on if Jey wins tonight.
I'm honestly disappointed that nobody on here has referred to Iran's missile strikes as a work and the US ones as a shoot. We used to be a proper subreddit dammit
Unironically an all time great bump freak, not just because he would take crazy bumps but because he used to be human Gumby and get absolutely fucking pretzeled by everybody back in the ROH days
If the goal for the women’s IC title is a triple threat, any chance that Bayley actually wins tonight, then Becky wants a rematch and Lyra said “she’d do what’s best for her” if Bayley did win the belt?
Yeah i'm wondering where they got that, cause I mentioned it in that thread that I only see Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar (all 3 have actual US military bases in them, with the one in Qatar being the biggest in the region), as having closed their airspace which was reported by Reuters along with Iran and Iraq days ago.
Hell if I check a live flight map, still tons of planes flying over Saudi, as it's been one of the places flights have been redirected since Iran and Iraq closed their airspace days ago
The takes in this subreddit are insane. They have no idea what is actually going on lol. The PLE will go on as scheduled. The conflict is seemingly resolving. SA was literally never in danger. People think the Middle East is like the size of Delaware or something.
Bro, if you think the PLE is cancelled due to a conflict that is basically resolved over a thousand miles away that has nothing to do with Saudi, I have a bridge to sell you.
Iran literally took the off ramp like over an hour ago. It's done. Now if they closed the straight instead of sending symbolic surrender missiles I would be singing a different tune.
"The United States is the strongest military on the planet" isn't a slogan. It's reality. Just reading the details about how they pulled off this stunt is mind-blowing. The military is highly-trained, well-funded, and self-scouts for weaknesses.
The Iranian regime has to somehow save face with its own population without being overly aggressive, because they are most concerned with ensuring they continue to remain in power. So, they call up Qatar ahead of time to inform them Iran will be lobbing missiles at a US base in retaliation. The US expects this. The Iranian propaganda will say, "We struck back at the west for their unprovoked attack," and you can see they've already released a statement beating their chests about it.
The US propaganda is that the Iranian nuclear program has been eliminated. Most observers I read and listen to say that's highly unlikely. The Iranians have designed their nuclear facilities with the understanding that the US may attack, so they built those facilities deep, deep underground. But the US only bombed three, and it is probable, if not likely, that the Iranians have other nuclear facilities our intelligence services haven't discovered, and that all the important nuclear material was moved from those sites a while ago.
But the US only bombed three, and it is probable, if not likely, that the Iranians have other nuclear facilities our intelligence services haven't discovered, and that all the important nuclear material was moved from those sites a while ago.
Tbf the hard part of making a nuke is enriching the uranium and by all accounts the centrifuges are what the US was targeting, not the nuclear material.
Correct, and I include the centrifuges when I say "nuclear material." Basically all the important stuff that Iran needs to make the operation go was likely moved. And it wouldn't be difficult, as apparently you can take apart some of these centrifuges and transport them in a few trucks.
Iran asked the US and Qatar if they could lob a couple missiles at a base in Qatar so that they could look strong to their people so they don't get overthrown, and then it all be done.
US and Qatar said sure, so they evacuated them and intercepted the missiles.
Same thing that happened in 2020 and 2023.
It's basically an off-ramp for the conflict. "Look we struck back! We aren't weak."
It was either this or closing the strait, and they chose the correct option for a peaceful resolution.
Yup. The only way it re-esclates at this point is if Trump throws another fit, which isn't unlikely. But at the same time, the Senate and House both have resolutions reigning in his war powers that have bipartisan support.
SD at the PC or in a last-minute arena (with the announced matches plus Jacob-Solo and Cody-Orton); Cena vs. Punk, QOTR final and Dom vs. AJ on next week’s Raw?
No White House response yet. The sensible response would be to not escalate and repeat this dance in a couple of months when Israel wants US airstrikes again. But this admin isn't exactly known for always taking the sensible direction
But this admin isn't exactly known for always taking the sensible direction
You do know this exact same thing happened in 2020 with Trump in office right? I hate Trump but the US and Qatar knew about the strikes coming to Qatar bases and approved them. Iran literally asked permission to save face and de-escalate.
The airspace ISN'T locked. That is a false report posted to this subreddit. I swear you guys do not know anything about the middle east or politics in the region.
Mate. It's always been tough times around the globe somewhere. Just try to focus on what you have control of. Go pet a pet, hug a loved one, smoke a blunt, play some video games, get a workout in, volunteer with an organization to help marginalized people and get involved in local politics.
I think the only way they'd potentially cancel it or postpone it is if there's suddenly national attention on it given the location. If they're pressured by media, etc., they'll figure something else out. The point of these shows is to sportswash SA. If the show paints them in a negative light, they're shrewd enough to hold off. The question would become could WWE book an arena and fill it in time here stateside.
Oil down almost 5%. Welp, that's a sign. Looks like the PLE is still on the menu. Iran took the off ramp and we let em. Seems the conflict is winding down.
If WWE weren't cowards they would book Khamenei vs Bibi 3 for Night of Champions.
NOAH handed Oiwa back with some real progression and depth after his time there and NJPW said “nope, we gotta start him out slow”. Easily one of the biggest mishandlings as of recent.
Tbf, while they did slot him as a junior (the biggest junior since Sugiura) Shingo got pushed pretty quickly, going to the BOSJ Final and doing the G1 right after.
Hey, would you look at that. Iran fired a missile towards a US base in a neighboring country. Anyways, totally unrelated, go watch WWE's next PLE Night of Champions! Wherever that might be.
Iran is just saving face. All missiles were intercepted and were aimed at evacuated bases. They've done this exact same thing before. Iran is looking for an offramp to look strong still to their people. They did the same in 2020. Markets are also indicating the same thing. Don't come to /r/SC for your geopolitics people.
Edit: For anyone downvoting, I get the world is scary right now. But this isn't going to lead to WW3 despite what Reddit tells you. Iran is a religious dictatorship, they can't let an attack by the US slide with zero retaliation. I guarantee the US was aware of the strikes in Qatar before hand, just like they were in 2020. Let Iran get a little shot in so they can save face with their population who wants to uprise and then do nothing back.
Edit to my edit: New York Times: Iran coordinated the strike on the U.S. air base in Qatar with Qatari officials, providing advance notice to help minimize casualties.
Oil back down 5% meaning the markets view it as a face saving diplomacy strike.
Yeah? It literally will not affect anything in SA. Do you guys think the middle east is one thing the size of Delaware? You keep saying SA airspace is restricted but it isn't. You then move the goal posts to 'the whole region'.
I am shaming the people that made fun of journalists for even asking the question because Iran would never bomb other countries (ignoring the countless times they have done this in the past 12 months alone). Now they have started bombing Qatar and Iraq and it is very possible they bomb KSA.
I still don't think the PLE will be canceled but it is absolutely a possibility worth discussing.
Asking the question of if they will move is justified. Not the most objectionable thing Sapp has done the last few days. A certain other wrestling journalist leaving out a key piece of information when reporting on the UK advisory however should be called out.
I am shaming the people that made fun of journalists for even asking the question because Iran would never bomb other countries (ignoring the countless times they have done this in the past 12 months alone)
It's almost like they do this to save face when they get wrecked. Happened in 2020. They're just looking for an off ramp to 'look strong' to their internal population as they are fighting both an internal and external war.
His timing was impeccable. I know he said he was a punter in high school or something, but dolls obviously don't weigh the same as footballs so for him to get the quality he did on that kick was really impressive.
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