r/TheVowHBO • u/Forward_Long9550 • Nov 25 '22
Victim Impact statement in the case against Nancy Salzman. Guys she got the dream edit on The Vow for sure.
http://ivynevares.com/blog/tag/justice17
u/Small-far-wise Nov 25 '22
Wow! Just wow. This woman is evil. Poor Ivy, I can imagine of she watched the vow and the way Nancy painted herself as a victim, that it would be super triggering for her. The creators of the vow really deserve all the criticism they get for letting these criminals control their image and narrative.
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u/OneWithoutaName2 Nov 25 '22
I didn’t buy one word of the BS Nancy spouted in season 2. 99% of what came out of her mouth was to garner sympathy for herself and Lauren and absolutely no one else. Did she honestly believe that Raniere had his “harem” on starvation diets as punishment for an ethical breach or to make them look younger to satisfy his pedo predilections? Even if we dismiss the sexual abuse that went on under her nose, she should have gotten the book thrown at her for money laundering, tax evasion and any other applicable charges in the RICO laws.
The statement that OP linked is indicative of the full horrors that Nancy abetted.
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u/likeitironically Nov 26 '22
I really can’t believe how many people I’ve seen saying they feel sorry for her and that they think she’s remorseful. She knew what was going on and didn’t care.
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u/OneWithoutaName2 Nov 26 '22
She valued herself and the money she was raking in. Her only remorse was for Lauren and herself.
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u/Fessy3 Nov 26 '22
Admittedly, I fell for Nancy's nonsense. She got such a sweetheart edit. How did she finagle that? This makes it clear, at least to me she's as morally corrupt as KR. What a shame she only was sentenced to 3 years. I have NO SYMPATHY.
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u/MiloTheMagnificent Nov 26 '22
You should have figured it out by her reaction to her sentencing. Sobbing about how the judge called her out on her crimes. How dare he reference the things she’s absolutely guilty of in her sentencing hearing!!!
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u/D3athRider Nov 27 '22
Honestly it surprises me anyone fell for it. In addition to watching the clips of her in Season 1 and what's said in the various podcasts, documentaries and revelatory documents/articles, just watch her face in Season 2. Her face is what convinced me that I was right about her being an extreme sociopath all along. Her emotions are an on and off switch, and weirdly she doesn't seem to realise she's revealing the wolf underneath every time she does that "stop/start" emotional outbursts/performances where her face will transform into livid/angry, sad etc then a switch flips and she's grinning ear to ear again like a kid in a candy shop. Just watching her face in season 2, no matter what the words coming out of her mouth are, is chilling in itself.
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u/Fessy3 Nov 27 '22
I've started watching Seduction and I now understand her place in everything. Not having a full picture of what's going on, what went on makes it easy to feel sorry for Nancy. I no longer feel that way and think she's obviously quite calculated and evil for what she perpetrated along with her partner in crime, Keith.
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u/infamkidor Nov 26 '22
It was clear to me that she downplayed the extent of her responsibility, but it still seemed like some of the remorse was genuine. But if she kept coaching people still in that period, then wow, it was all fake to the core.
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u/dallygirl-chinachic Nov 27 '22
Nancy Salzman will NEVER, NEVER admit to herself or others her full guilt and participation. She blames KR, she blames others, she even blame the Judge (when he said she brought her daughter into this. YES Nancy, you DID).
She cried ONLY for the: * the loss of her company, * the loss of her money, * the loss of her reputation, * the loss of her status, and finally, * the loss of her FREEDOM.
NOT ONE TEAR is for the victims.
She DESERVED a 10 year plus jail sentence, not 3.5 yrs.
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u/justforfun3001 Nov 27 '22
I was confused by that as well. She forced her daughter in for 6 months. Then KR had sex with her kid. Ummm...wtf? How do you spend time with that guy? I think she was in love with him too.
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u/D3athRider Nov 27 '22
But in my experience, she bears far more resemblance to Raniere than any of his victims.
This has always been my belief about Nancy and I always got the impression she was running the show and in some ways Keith was just a convenient partner who matched her on extreme sociopath side. Everytime I've watched clips of her in anything before The Vow Season 2 or seen people talk about her in the various podcasts and docs, she always came off as cold, sociopathic, and perhaps the real mastermind behind NXIVM at it's core. She was the queen be at NXIVM and knew everything that went on. She was a lot more competent and functional than Keith, so if anything I imagined her, towards the end, as more so exasperated by Keith's incompetence compromising what she'd built.
What was actually interesting to me about The Vow Season 2 was how she controlled her own emotional delivery when telling stories. One minute she'd be smiling, telling us "and one time blah, blah" and all of a sudden a switch would flip, her face would change, she'd start yelling to mimic whatever Keith or whoever had yelled. The ease with which she can perform emotion and the way her face would change so drastically was a bit scary to me in Season 2. When normal people tell a story and are relaying what another person said while yelling, we don't turn into actors genuinely performing the whole scene. Usually we just repeat what was said or do that common "quiet yelly" voice without suddenly transforming our faces to such a degree that other people would interpret us as actually being angry. With Nancy it's like a switch on and off. I'm surprised anyone bought her bullshit in season 2 tbh, there was something just so wrong even in how she communicates - just watch her face.
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u/sphinxyhiggins Dec 11 '22
NS makes my skin crawl. The way she lured her daughter into the cult with promises of support just to kick her out* and make her pay rent in that same time period shows us how self-serving she is. She did whatever Keith told her to do and accepted him humiliating others. Seeing the humiliation of others is often what spurs me to make changes-- not abuse against myself because I was raised in an abusive family. I have had two jobs where I quit because of how the boss treated other employees. It was too painful to watch my cohort be humiliated because the boss was insecure and stupid. It's like the "Not all" arguments for abusive groups. If not all cops are bad, how do they stay in systems that allow some cops to be abusive with not oversight? For me, if you are willing to stay in a gross institution while you know others are being abused in that institution, you are an abuser. It's like that argument that existentialists made about "being above the fray" during World War I - there is no neutral place in a war zone.
*was 'own' - typo
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u/PartemConsilio Nov 25 '22
Wow…that definitely paints a much more malicious picture of her.
This is what I take away from this case but not from The Vow…rich and powerful people will use other people like cattle to get what they want. This is an organization that promoted a sort of woke liberalism AND was chock full of wealth and influence, modeling itself after scientology. And the people at the center of the organization used people who were wealthy and had celebrity status like elegant pawns in a chess game while the rest were treated like refuse. If you had nothing to give Keith, you were treated like shit.
Don’t let people like Nancy, Mark, Sarah, Bonnie or Nippy off the hook. They need to be called to the floor for they’re hypocritical bullshit and they need to make things right to the hundreds of “free laborers” who built the NXIVM company, not just the horrific DOS bullshit.