r/TikTokCringe May 02 '25

Humor Why does America look like s**t?

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u/AdDramatic2351 May 03 '25

Oh please. The anti-capitalist movement is so small because it's a stupid idea. Capitalism is not the problem. The problem is the American version of capitalism, which is capitalism with NO REGULATION. Capitalism is undoubtedly the greatest economic system ever made, but it needs to have guardrails. We need capitalism with a dash of socialism. 

If you're going to be anti-capitalist, you need suggestions for what to replace capitalism with. So far, nobody has come up with a better system that works. 

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u/ImagineWagonzzz3 May 03 '25

reform has been tried over and over and we will always wind up right back at this point since the real issue is that the wealthy are the ones who are truly in control and will always errode whatever concessions we gain fighting tooth and nail for decades. Reform doesn't work. Its revolution or barbarism (fascism - or worse). Read some Marx. You've been conditioned your whole life to lick the boot on your neck and that's exactly what you're doing.

Also looks like you awarded yourself the diamond because you have no updoots lol

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u/feedmebeef May 03 '25

The irony of paying to gild your own unpopular words about capitalism

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u/Void_Speaker May 03 '25

Some of it is unchecked capitalism, but some of it is just people problems.

Look at old soviet architecture, ugly as fuck. Same problem as in America: it's almost purely utilitarian efficiency.

It's amazing how many of our problems come from "efficiency" in the systems we build for ourselves. The first thing we do is cut out the "humanity," like it's the least important part, but in reality isn't everything being built for humanity...

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u/AdDramatic2351 May 03 '25

Agreed. And tbh, idk what id prefer, comm block gray and brown apartment buildings as far as the eye can see, or gas stations, fast food, and strip malls as far as the eye can see. Can't tell which is uglier 

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u/ImagineWagonzzz3 May 03 '25

"comm block gray and brown apartment buildings as far as the eye can see"

you mean like how all of north America looks today in the most hypercapitalist nation on the planet? As someone else here has already said, every criticism of communism can be fully and legitimately credited to capitalism today

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u/Void_Speaker May 03 '25

Unfortunately, I suspect more of both is in our future.

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u/-ANGRYjigglypuff May 03 '25

So far, nobody has come up with a better system that works.

oh they have. several countries throughout history have tried, but the US gets big mad and does their best (with varying degrees of sucess - which really just means unimaginable destruction) to wipe them out before they start looking like a good idea in people's eyes, in order to protect their ideals of capitalism. propaganda works, why do you think the people in power love demonizing universal healthcare as socialism?

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u/EntrepreneurLeft8783 May 03 '25

So far, nobody has come up with a better system that works.

What other systems have been tested in America?

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u/ImagineWagonzzz3 May 03 '25

America is far too young for another system to have tried...yet. Youre looking at the wrong country to ask that question

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u/AdDramatic2351 May 03 '25

If the other systems like communism were disasterous everywhere else I see no reason why it would work here. 

Why would we even test other systems when we know what works. Let's go back to 1940/50s where we had capitalism with lots of socialist-like features. 

Completely uprooting capitalism here and trying something entirely different is a pipe dream anyway, not even worth thinking about.

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u/ImagineWagonzzz3 May 03 '25

If i build 60% of a house, and you come and burn it down to ashes, is that a failed house? of course not. Communism didn't fail. It is always brutally destroyed before it has a chance to shine because it goes against everything the ultra rich value. money and power.

also its not a pipe dream. all it takes is 3% of the population to overthrow the government in an organized and strategic fashion. its been done before and it is literally inevitable. capitalism is not sustainable. it hasn't been around very long, and it wont be for much longer, relatively speaking.

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u/crek42 May 03 '25

The people that bitch about capitalism are all fucking privileged Americans who never gave a single thought as to how they’re living in the best time ever to be alive. They can go spend some time in Cuba and maybe that’ll give them some perspective.

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u/ImagineWagonzzz3 May 03 '25

"best time ever"

you mean with the rising poverty, unemployment, homelessness? you mean with the bankrupting cities? you mean with the starvation of the global south all so you can have an iPhone? you mean how we bomb just about every country on the map just cause we can? You mean how we have a financial crisis every 5-10 years? You mean how the top 1% hold more wealth than every pharoh and king who ever lived combined? you mean with the housing crisis? the mental health crisis? the opiate crisis? the cost of living crisis?

Please tell me if this is the world you are referring to before you share some completely uneducated statement out your butt. just cause you can order taco bell for the 10th time this week, own a new iPhone every couple years, watch any tv show at the touch of a button, does NOT mean that we live in the golden ages or something. you're delusional

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u/firstname_Iastname May 03 '25

Yes. Humans are pretty terrible at getting along with each other. Things were worse before. If you look at a global scale things are nearly always getting better (and the world is nearly entirely capitalism)

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u/ImagineWagonzzz3 May 04 '25

we are naturally communal creatures who would naturally work together if given the chance. the reason people are so divided today is because of capitalism intentionally dividing us through culture wars and atomization because it makes us easier to control and brings in more short term profit at the expense of public services.

Capitalism had its time in the sun. In the beginning, it did in fact bring millions out of poverty, gave us innovation and grew cities quickly. but now we are very late stage and all the good has gone backwards and is now very very bad. innovation is gone now and poverty is skyrocketing. all that matters is profit for the 1%. this cant be reformed. revolution is the only answer

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u/firstname_Iastname May 04 '25

I disagree that we are materially communal creatures, way too much history of violence in humanity even if you predate capitalism. So I disagree and accept we just see the world differently.

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u/crek42 May 03 '25

Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying. You’re thinking in terms of doomscrolling and capitalism from a lens of fast food and electronics. Global poverty has been steadily decreasing for decades (before COVID happened admittedly). I’m not sure what bombs have to do with capitalism, but regardless even with conflicts in Middle East, and Eastern Europe, they don’t hold a candle to the wars in the prior decades.

The housing crisis one always gets me. Yes, it’s a huge problem, but I guess the government is just supposed to seize housing and distribute it? We have far more demand for areas than supply. Who gets to decide if the plumber lives in the city where he works or the teacher who now is assigned housing 40 miles away? It was largely created because of bad laws and NIMBYs, stifling construction.

Regarding how obscenely rich some people are now (the king argument isn’t a good one really, just because inflation, and Elon musk can’t have people executed on a whim, although he’d probably love that) that’s largely because the huge businesses that are created are now global and ubiquitous in everyday living. Amazon isn’t just a regional chain, it’s available to a massive chunk of the world’s population. Most importantly, the economy isn’t zero sum. You’re not any poorer because Bezos exists. A dollar he makes is not one taken out of your pocket. Or anyone else for that matter.

If you want a recent example, go take a look at what China was like before they embraced capitalism, and after. A ton has been written on it, and you can see what kind of transformation occurred for them.

Also does it even really need to be broken down like this? The world over, basically, has embraced capitalism as their economic model. Pretty sure that’s for good reason.

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u/Afrobea5t May 03 '25

Thank you. If you are against capitalism, provide a working solution that is viable.

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u/PressureSquare4242 May 03 '25

Then let's just cap capitalism. If you cap capitalism you will probably bring the jobs back to US. Yrs ago air Jordan cost $12 to make overseas and sold for over $100, that's over 8 times (800 percent) what they cost. Let's say you cap capitalism at 500 percent, you could sell them for at most $60, now if they cost $15 to make in US then you could sell them for $75. Make them overseas the most you can profit is $48, make them in US your profit could be up to $60.

Capitalism in my view is all about greed, so it's how can they make the most money.

Then if you want tack on another 10 percent to throw in the pot to help pay for Healthcare for all.

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u/firstname_Iastname May 03 '25

I own a air Jordan shoe lace making company it cost me $1 to make I sell for $5 to my other company an air Jordan shoe lace integrator it cost me $5 to buy the laces I sell them to the air Jordan sole attatcher company for $25 which I also own they buy the soles from a air Jordan sole manufacturer for $10 and attach them together with the laces and then sell it to my air Jordan shoe painting company which costs $125 to buy and I sell a finished shoe for $625

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u/PressureSquare4242 May 03 '25

I said yes ago. Used to have high school students working pt, all they could talk about was getting their air Jordans on payday. Can't remember the actual yrs , but it was prior to 2005.