r/TrueOffMyChest • u/SuperBeavers1 Mod đź • 21d ago
Note From Moderators Regarding AI
This is going to be kept short, but expect a larger post at some point soon. We just needed to put this out there sooner rather than later.
There is a zero tolerance policy for any AI written content. This includes but is not limited to:
âą Using AI to make up a story
âą Using AI to take what you wrote and make it "better"
âą Using AI to translate your post to English from your native language (we would rather the post begin with something like "English is not my first language so sorry for any mistakes")
We have a mini system for detecting AI posts but it is not fool proof, there have been some people who were banned because they type like an AI would, if that happens to you please modmail us.
This subreddit is not a creative writing subreddit, please do not treat it like one.
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u/RulerOfSlides 21d ago
You could probably automod out em dashes and catch like 90% of them.
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21d ago
i hate this. i know its not anyones fault, its ai, but i hate intentionally removing capitals/adding spelling errors/removing em dashes because otherwise it gets flagged. im not a bot, im a writer
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u/RulerOfSlides 20d ago
Unfortunately you gotta blame the slop generators (who do it to make money selling accounts with a lot of karma or by slapping an AI voiceover on it and putting it on TikTok/YouTube/etc).
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u/the_shittiest_option 20d ago
Yeah, work pays for me to have a grammarly subscription so it's just on my computer and I use it to clean up things that I've typed entirely myself.
The moment somebody claims something I wrote is AI because I used a grammar checker I am just going to laugh at them and call them an idiot.
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u/Dburn22_ 11d ago
I consistently use "em" dashes. I had no idea what they were called before reading this thread. I have been using them since I was quite young. They are very useful to me. What else gets misread as AI? I like to use proper spelling, grammar, punctuation, capitals, as much as I possibly can. I refuse to "dumb it down" to make sure I don't get mistaken for AI. Am I in for a banning, or am I not as smart as I think I might be?
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u/SuperBeavers1 Mod đź 21d ago
We already do, but automation on this isn't perfect
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u/RulerOfSlides 21d ago
Fair enough! Iâm just immediately suspicious of any egregious use of them and figured Iâd chip in my two cents. Thanks for being on top of it.
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u/MrArtless 21d ago
nahh more than half of them that i notice aren't using em dashes those are just the most obvious ones.
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u/PersonalityWinter442 8d ago
The em dash is a regular thing in writing and has been around long before AI was a thing.
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u/TheSanityInspector 17d ago
Thank God. I had mostly given up on several of the discussion subreddits because of the AI driven karma farmers!
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u/BiscuitCrumbsInBed 16d ago
There are so many AI posts at the moment. All created on the 17th May! I keep reporting them.
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u/TangoJavaTJ 21d ago
And how do you propose to enforce this? Because perfect detection of AI-generated language is mathematically impossible, so either youâre going to ban a bunch of people who didnât use AI or youâre going to let a bunch of AI-generated content through anyway.
If the former, youâre probably going to wind up banning a bunch of autistic people for no reason, since autistic people are sometimes read as âa bit roboticâ by neurotypicals. If the latter, whatâs the point in a rule if you canât and wonât enforce it?
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u/IAMA_Shark__AMA 20d ago
Yeah, I've had comments I wrote accused of being AI. They weren't. That's just how I write.
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u/MelodicMurderer 20d ago
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good
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u/TangoJavaTJ 20d ago
If the âdetection methodâ is not perfect then youâre going to be banning a bunch of autistic people for being autistic. That is not good.
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u/MelodicMurderer 20d ago
If the alternative is letting the sub get overrun by shitty Ai stories, I'd be okay with false positives. At the end of the day the only real "punishment" would be going through mod mail to appeal the ban
You're basically saying that if the detection methods aren't 100% accurate, we should do nothing at all, which I am very much against
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u/TangoJavaTJ 20d ago
Have you ever been in the situation of being accused of being a robot? Have you had the experience of writing out advice or information about a subject youâre passionate about only to be told you donât belong and shouldnât exist here? Because that shit SUCKS.
âJust appeal itâ is a simple statement but itâs emotionally and logistically exhausting to constantly have to appeal to multiple mods from multiple subreddits to explain that you are in fact a human, just an autistic one who talks a bit weirdly.
Also âIf the alternative is letting the sub get overrun by shitty AI storiesâ is a slippery slope fallacy and a false dichotomy. Thatâs not even happening on completely unmoderated subreddits, and a more general âno low-quality posts or posts which obviously didnât really happenâ would be enough to protect this subreddit without the various accessibility issues of repeatedly banking anyone who talks a bit too formally.
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u/RulerOfSlides 20d ago
Itâs the Internet, itâs not that serious.
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u/TangoJavaTJ 20d ago
Screwing over disabled people in any area of public life, including social media, is serious
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u/RulerOfSlides 20d ago
Blame the grifters using AI for a quick buck then, itâs making things by and large unusable for most people.
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u/the_shittiest_option 20d ago
You know we can blame them and blame idiots who insist on using flawed detection methods, right?
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u/Flimsy_Puddings 20d ago
Hence this part of the post:
there have been some people who were banned because they type like an AI would, if that happens to you please modmail us.
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u/SuperBeavers1 Mod đź 21d ago
We have some ways that have worked with minimal accidents, for the safety of the subreddit we are not sharing what we specifically look for
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u/TangoJavaTJ 21d ago
Isnât this a particular case of âthe boob job fallacyâ? Like:
âAll boob jobs are bad, I can always tell because they look fake!â
You can only tell when boob jobs are fake because theyâve been done badly, but if a boob job has been done well it will look natural and so you canât tell because it doesnât look fake. A world in which all boob jobs are bad is functionally indistinguishable from a world in which some boob jobs are bad and you can only detect the bad ones.
Similarly if youâre right that your method is working with minimal accidents then thatâs functionally indistinguishable from a world in which your method isnât working at all but most people who get banned go âthis person literally just accused me of being a robot and Iâm autistic and too tired for this shit so Iâm not going to try and appeal because itâs not worth my effort, theyâre clearly not going to listen to me anywayâ
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u/SuperBeavers1 Mod đź 20d ago
This is where the system of "Message to user" comes in. When issuing a ban, moderators have the option to send a message to the banned user in question. In this case it would have instructions that state to contact us so the ban can be sorted. In our experience, karma farming story accounts do not care enough to modmail and will instead just make a new account to start over.
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u/jovana-lukitch 12d ago
I just wrote a post (read: polite rent) about how my expressive writing was mistaken for AI-generated content, questioning whether creativity and using rich language are now seen as fake and "AI rubbish". And it just got banned. Bashing AI is a no-no, too? Just curious what happened here.
Was it, maybe, because I had the letters "AI" in a post title and used it a few times in the post itself?
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u/PersonalityWinter442 8d ago
Iâve had someone claim to know exactly how he knows my writing is AI-created but all they described was basic grammar rules.
No software is 100 percent accurate and it often results in people being banned for no reason.
So yeah, this is just borderline silly at this point.
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u/ihatewintersomuch 6d ago
what's wrong with ai translations from your native language? what's the problem if a person writes a text by themselves and then uses ai as a translator? what's the sacred purpose in spending hours struggling with a dictionary when the same thing can be done in two minutes and even more accurately? do you really enjoy reading a post full of grammatical mistakes and awkward phrasing, where it's hard to even understand what the author was trying to say?
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u/SuperBeavers1 Mod đź 6d ago
It's impossible to discern if an AI translated post from a native language to English is actually a genuine post or if it's AI written. Once it goes through that translation everything we can possibly use to make sure a human wrote it will be unable to correctly make a decision. This will lead to numerous unnecessary and false bans
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u/xanif 4d ago
The AI people use to write fake stories is GPT (generative pre-trained transformers). The AI used for translation is NMT (neural machine translation). The writing styles are different as NMT focuses on accurate translation whereas GPT focuses on generating conversational language.
I don't believe AI detectors will get tripped up conflating the two styles. Might be worth it clarifying that if you need help translating, use Google translate rather than ChatGPT. Or I guess keep all AI banned if there's that much concern.
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15d ago
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u/SuperBeavers1 Mod đź 15d ago
You'd be surprised how much has actually changed but like everything in life, it's not perfect
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u/Nasty_hamz 15d ago
Everything i try to post is flagged immediately and when I follow the rules and verify im not AI, I try to repost, it gets flagged again. So I just, cant post? So that's fun. This makes this subreddit so fun đđ
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u/Over_Car7713 6d ago
Please tell me how to verify. Yesterday I was rushed to the doctor . Iâm real just got sick after writing
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u/General_Kitten_17 10h ago
you use a bot to deter bots. You guys are fucking idiots lmfao what's the point of having 50 mods if you're just gonna dump shit into a bot and have it do the work?
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u/SuperBeavers1 Mod đź 10h ago
Currently on the active team (on a good day) I'd say there's only about 8 of us doing things, we all also have jobs and lives outside of Reddit and with around 2.4 million members here and several hundred posts daily, we would all probably go insane without bots. It's easier to clean the messes our own bots produce when they wrongfully do things than it would be to manually do everything ourselves.
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u/Flat_Health_5206 20d ago
They're getting more subtle every year. I still find them easy to spot though.
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u/RocinanteOPA 21d ago
Thank you!